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Lem

Jan 1, 1970
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Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
words such as my address.

I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").

I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
Latin America or Asia Pacific.

There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?

For example, which can I use in

(a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
(b) international situations


Thank you.
Lem
 
F

From the shack of G1LVN

Jan 1, 1970
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Lem said:
For example, which can I use in

(a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
(b) international situations

(a) .
A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
D for Ential .................. (Differential)
E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)

(b) .0NAT
 
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Hexenmeister

Jan 1, 1970
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| Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
| words such as my address.
|
| I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
| on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").


Many make it up as the go along. So what, if you know what they mean?
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/able.html

Androcles


|
| I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
| It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
| Latin America or Asia Pacific.
|
| There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
| but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?


|
| For example, which can I use in
|
| (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
| (b) international situations
|
|
| Thank you.
| Lem
|
|
|
| --
| Posted to groups likely to use phonetic alphabets
|
| http://sundials.org/about/humpty.htm
| http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/95q4/phonetic.html
|
 
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Martin Hogbin

Jan 1, 1970
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Lem said:
Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
words such as my address.

I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").

I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
Latin America or Asia Pacific.

There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?

The Nato/ international one has the widest use and acceptance
in the UK.

Martin Hogbin
 
M

Martin Hogbin

Jan 1, 1970
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From the shack of G1LVN said:
(a) .
A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
D for Ential .................. (Differential)
E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)

also
G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)

and
H for It..................................(hate you for it)
I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)

In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for his hat)

Martin Hogbin
 
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TimPerry

Jan 1, 1970
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Lem said:
Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
words such as my address.

I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").

I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
Latin America or Asia Pacific.

There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?

For example, which can I use in

(a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
(b) international situations


Thank you.
Lem

dont worry about phonics, just learn all the "Q" signals
 
H

Hexenmeister

Jan 1, 1970
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|
| >
| > | > > For example, which can I use in
| > >
| > > (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
| > > (b) international situations
| >
| > (a) .
| > A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
| > B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
| > C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
| > D for Ential .................. (Differential)
| > E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
| > F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
| > G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
|
| also
| G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
|
| > H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
|
| and
| H for It..................................(hate you for it)
|
| > I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
| > J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
| > K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
| > L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
| > M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
| > N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
| > O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
| > P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
| > Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
| > R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
| > S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
| > T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
| > U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
| > V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
| > W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
| > X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
| > Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
| > Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)
|
| In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for his
hat)
|
| Martin Hogbin

You can't have zed for titfer. A hat is a titfer in the UK - tit for tat.

http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/

'Owzat?
Androcles
 
M

Mike Clayton

Jan 1, 1970
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! <?.?.?@?.?.invalid> said:
X-No-Archive: Yes



The 'accepted' one by industry is:

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Gold
Hotel
India
Mike
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec
Romeo
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Xray
Yankee
Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

With the exception of Gold, the above is what I was taught in the RAF.
We used Golf.
 
B

Bob Eager

Jan 1, 1970
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With the exception of Gold, the above is what I was taught in the RAF.
We used Golf.

I have always used Golf (amateur radio only, no RAF!)
 
F

From the shack of G1LVN

Jan 1, 1970
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TimPerry said:
dont worry about phonics, just learn all the "Q" signals

until.0 you .0have.0 to .0spell .0them.0 out.0 LOL
 
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Peter

Jan 1, 1970
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X-No-Archive: Yes



The 'accepted' one by industry is:

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Gold

It's Golf - Gold may be confused with Cold
Hotel
India
Mike
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec
Romeo
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Xray
Yankee
Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

I still use Zulu - or do you think Yankee should be changed for the
sake of PC?
 
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Prometheus

Jan 1, 1970
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! <?.?.?@?.?.invalid> said:
X-No-Archive: Yes



The 'accepted' one by industry is:
Golf?

Yankee
Why no PC objection to this?
Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).
Why should a reference to the Zulu nation be unacceptable but not to
India? Or even Quebec?
 
M

Martin Hogbin

Jan 1, 1970
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Hexenmeister said:
|
| >
| > | > > For example, which can I use in
| > >
| > > (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
| > > (b) international situations
| >
| > (a) .
| > A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
| > B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
| > C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
| > D for Ential .................. (Differential)
| > E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
| > F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
| > G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
|
| also
| G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
|
| > H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
|
| and
| H for It..................................(hate you for it)
|
| > I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
| > J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
| > K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
| > L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
| > M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
| > N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
| > O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
| > P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
| > Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
| > R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
| > S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
| > T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
| > U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
| > V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
| > W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
| > X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
| > Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
| > Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)
|
| In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for his
hat)
|
| Martin Hogbin

You can't have zed for titfer. A hat is a titfer in the UK - tit for tat.

http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/

'Owzat?

Not out.

Having had a look round the net it would seem that
Z for Wind was used in the UK.

Martin Hogbin
 
L

Lem

Jan 1, 1970
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The 'accepted' one by industry is:

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Gold
Hotel
India
Mike
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec
Romeo
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Xray
Yankee
Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).




I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

U for uniform? This is 2006 and "U for uncle" is what I sometimes hear
and which I think is far better for use between two UK natives because
of its universaility and it retains clarity.

As I posted, "M for mother" is often heard and probably better
understood than "M for Mike" (mic ? Michael?).

Quebec and Lima (you have some missing) are probably not even on the
mental map for a lot of the recently educated UK population. It's not
for me to educate these people (not to denigrate them) but I sometimes
need to communicate clearly with them. Queen? London?

T for Tommy has got to beat Tango which is now widely seen as a trade
name.

F for Freddy is surely nicer than foxtrot. This isn't the 1930's.

Heh!
 
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Martin Hogbin

Jan 1, 1970
0
! said:
X-No-Archive: Yes



The 'accepted' one by industry is:

Alpha
Bravo
Charlie
Delta
Echo
Foxtrot
Gold
Hotel
India
Mike
November
Oscar
Papa
Quebec
Romeo
Sierra
Tango
Uniform
Victor
Xray
Yankee
Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).

What industry? I have never heard 'Gold' or 'Zebra' used.
 
P

Prometheus

Jan 1, 1970
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Lem <[email protected]> said:
On 06 May 2006, !<..> wrote:
I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

U for uniform? This is 2006 and "U for uncle" is what I sometimes hear
and which I think is far better for use between two UK natives because
of its universaility and it retains clarity.

As I posted, "M for mother" is often heard and probably better
understood than "M for Mike" (mic ? Michael?).

Quebec and Lima (you have some missing) are probably not even on the
mental map for a lot of the recently educated UK population. It's not
for me to educate these people (not to denigrate them) but I sometimes
need to communicate clearly with them. Queen? London?

T for Tommy has got to beat Tango which is now widely seen as a trade
name.

F for Freddy is surely nicer than foxtrot. This isn't the 1930's.

They are supposed to be recognisable sounds for use in poor conditions
which people who need to use them are familiar with and know start with
the specific letter, there is no requirement to know where Quebec is for
example. It also does not matter if you say Mic (microphone) or Mike
(Michael), they sound the same and both begin with 'M' whereas 'mother'
could be misheard as 'other' and being non-standard the listener would
not know they had misheard; was it 'Tommy' or 'pome', is it Fready or
Ready? Oh, and isn't Tommy a brand of children's toys?

Oh, and just what is the connexion with sci.physics?
 
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Lem

Jan 1, 1970
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They are supposed to be recognisable sounds for use in poor
conditions which people who need to use them are familiar with and
know start with the specific letter, there is no requirement to
know where Quebec is for example. It also does not matter if you
say Mic (microphone) or Mike (Michael), they sound the same and
both begin with 'M' whereas 'mother' could be misheard as 'other'
and being non-standard the listener would not know they had
misheard; was it 'Tommy' or 'pome', is it Fready or Ready? Oh, and
isn't Tommy a brand of children's toys?

I would suggest that hearing is connected with meaning.

If I say "W for wardle", you might hear wardle correctly but need to
stop and ask me if I meant "wardle" as it is not a word you have
heard of before.

--
Oh, and just what is the connexion with sci.physics?

sci.physics is read by people who have to be very precise in their
spoken technical communications with colleagues on the phone and are
likely to involve formulas. If the formula is a new one in which you
have selected the variables yourself then it's essential to
communicate exactly the right variable as its context may not be a
guide to which variable is intended.

(By contrast sci.chem's communications often involve coumpounds whose
chemical formulas are often already known or the communcations are
partly self-correcting in that certain combinations of elements may
not be possible and there are a relatively small and limited number
of compounds which satisfy the remaining valence of a parent
compound.)

HTH.

sigged.
 
H

Hexenmeister

Jan 1, 1970
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|
| >
| > | > |
| > | > | >
| > | > | > | > > For example, which can I use in
| > | > >
| > | > > (a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
| > | > > (b) international situations
| > | >
| > | > (a) .
| > | > A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
| > | > B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
| > | > C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
| > | > D for Ential .................. (Differential)
| > | > E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
| > | > F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
| > | > G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
| > |
| > | also
| > | G for Police.....................(Chief of Police)
| > |
| > | > H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
| > |
| > | and
| > | H for It..................................(hate you for it)
| > |
| > | > I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
| > | > J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
| > | > K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
| > | > L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
| > | > M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
| > | > N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
| > | > O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
| > | > P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
| > | > Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
| > | > R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
| > | > S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
| > | > T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
| > | > U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
| > | > V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
| > | > W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
| > | > X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
| > | > Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
| > | > Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)
| > |
| > | In the UK this last one is, Z for his hat .............(his head for
his
| > hat)
| > |
| > | Martin Hogbin
| >
| > You can't have zed for titfer. A hat is a titfer in the UK - tit for
tat.
| >
| > http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/
| >
| > 'Owzat?
|
| Not out.
|
| Having had a look round the net it would seem that
| Z for Wind was used in the UK.

Yikes!

Figured out how to calibrate doppler radar yet so that you can measure
the speed of a train, or are you still troubled?
You'll find most train drivers rely on speedometers, they seem adequate
for the task, but of course they are measuring the speed of the track.
It does seem to be the same thing, though.

When asked if New York stops at this train, Galileo replied "Yes".

Einstein said "As has already been shown to the first order
of small quantities (by Galileo, but the secret to creativity
is knowing how to hide your sources so we won't mention him)
the same laws of mechanics will be valid for all frames of
reference for which the equations of electrodynamics and optics
hold good. We will raise this conjecture (the purport of which
will hereafter be called the "Principle of Relativity" so that
it looks as if I discovered it) to the status of a postulate,
because everything should be as simple as possible but not simpler
and imagination is more important than knowledge and if we knew
what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would
it? and as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they
are not certain; as far as they are certain, they do not refer to
reality and God doesn't play craps, poker or roulette and he may
be subtle, but he isn't plain mean and God does not care about our
mathematical difficulties; he integrates empirically and and what
really interests me is whether God had any choice in the creation
of the world and I never think of the future, it comes soon enough
and if you are out to describe the truth, leave elegance to the
tailor and a table, a chair, a bowl of fruit and a violin; what
else does a man need to be happy? and it would be possible to
describe everything scientifically, but it would make no sense
and common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age
eighteen and the whole of science is nothing more than a
refinement of everyday thinking and do not worry about your
difficulties in Mathematics, I can assure you mine are still
greater and two things are infinite: the universe and human
stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe."

Which is all very well, but does New York stop at this fucking
train or not?
It had better, or the Hudson River will stop at this train.


Androcles.



| Martin Hogbin
|
|
 
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