UK international phonetic alphabet

[Walt Davidson]

"P" as on "phonetic"?

"The personal here would be Mike. I spell, Mike ....
Er, I spell ....."

73 de Wlat

 

[TimPerry]

until.0 you .0have.0 to .0spell .0them.0 out.0 LOL

was that QRM i just heard

 

[Hexenmeister]

|
| "!" <..> wrote in message | > X-No-Archive: Yes
| >
| > | > > Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
| > > words such as my
| >
| > The 'accepted' one by industry is:
| >
| > Alpha
| > Bravo
| > Charlie
| > Delta
| > Echo
| > Foxtrot
| > Gold
| > Hotel
| > India
| > Mike
| > November
| > Oscar
| > Papa
| > Quebec
| > Romeo
| > Sierra
| > Tango
| > Uniform
| > Victor
| > Xray
| > Yankee
| > Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).
|
| What industry? I have never heard 'Gold' or 'Zebra' used.
|
Zulus are African Africans, not African Americans. You mustn't say
Zulu in front of an American nigga, even if American niggas call each
other 'nigga'. In my country we have British African Americans, but we
call them 'black'. They don't seem to mind, after all, they call us 'white'.
Zebra is acceptable because zebras are black AND white.
Dunno about those Washington Redskins, though. Definitely not
politically correct. It could be changed to Washington Rednecks or
Washington Wetbacks, but that would mean changing the venue to
Capitol Hill.

Androcles.

 

[Hexenmeister]

|! wrote:
| > Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness happened).
|
| Do we adjust our clocks to Zebra time now then?
|
| Owain
Nah... UTC.
http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/operations/saturn-time.cfm

Androcles

 

[Peter Duck]

In message <[email protected]>

... The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

Not to anyone who remembers the pre-1950 (British-only?) version, and
who had to unlearn 'Able, Baker, Charlie, Dog, Easy, Fox, ...'

You're free, of course, to use whatever you like in private between
consenting adults, but 'improving' a long-accepted international
standard of some importance to life-critical aeronautical/maritime
communications is not something on which to lightly embark.

 

[Prometheus]

I would suggest that hearing is connected with meaning.

If I say "W for wardle", you might hear wardle correctly but need to
stop and ask me if I meant "wardle" as it is not a word you have
heard of before.

You do not have to know what the word means, you only have to know what
letter the word starts with; hence the "standard NATO/international
phonetic alphabet" is used to assist clarity between people who are
trained to use it, it is not intended for use by people who are
untrained and unfamiliar with the words (vodka = V not W (wodka in its
home).

P.S. I also subscribe to sci.physics

 

[Colin Forrester]

Golf

Zulu

I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

It's no trouble at all - and who won the war anyway? It's Golf and Zulu
thru and thru!

 

[GM6TRS]

Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
words such as my address.

I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").

I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
Latin America or Asia Pacific.

There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?

For example, which can I use in

(a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
(b) international situations


Thank you.

Your posited Latino or Asian may not picture an English gentleman by the
name of Michael - more likely a microphone.

I don't think the rest of the NATO International & Aviation phonetic
alphabet would cause him any problems either - it is after all a
long-established *international* alphabet. Good for the UK, or anywhere
else on Earth. Klingons, though - could be a problem there...

- -
Martin

 

[Ivor Jones]

"The personal here would be Mike. I spell, Mike ....
Er, I spell ....."

73 de Wlat

"The personal" ?? Are we on CB now then..?! I have a name, I don't have
"a" personal, although I have a lot of things that are personal..!

BTW who's this "Wlat" bloke..?

Ivor

 

[Ivor Jones]

"Political correctness" is a euphemism for "not
completely correct" - in other words "wrong."

Ah, you mean "total bollocks", that sounds about right..!

Ivor

 

[Ivor Jones]

Nah... UTC.

Neither, GMT..!

Ivor

 

[Jim]

Neither, GMT..!

Inaccurate.

--

73, Jim, G4RGA

Campaign for a Scottish Internet Domain .sco
http://www.dotsco.org

 

[Hexenmeister]

|
|
| | > | > > ! wrote:
| > > > Zebra (used to be Zulu, the political correctness
| > > > happened).
| > >
| > > Do we adjust our clocks to Zebra time now then?
| > >
| > > Owain
| > Nah... UTC.
|
| Neither, GMT..!

I'm on summer time, GMT +1.


Androcles.



| Ivor
|
|

 

[Peter]

I am the OP. The trouble is that phonetic alphabet is that it sounds
and feels like something from the wartime RAF or army complete stiff
upper lip and clipped handlebar moustaches.

I've never been in the armed forces, am clean shaven and use the
phonic alphabet to ensure people (often in the US or Asia) are able to
correctly understand my meaning

U for uniform? This is 2006 and "U for uncle" is what I sometimes hear
and which I think is far better for use between two UK natives because
of its universaility and it retains clarity.

It's not an alphabet for use between UK "natives" - it's meant to ne,
and is, an international alphabet

As I posted, "M for mother" is often heard and probably better
understood than "M for Mike" (mic ? Michael?).

No, "Mother" may be misheard as "other"

Quebec and Lima (you have some missing) are probably not even on the
mental map for a lot of the recently educated UK population. It's not
for me to educate these people (not to denigrate them) but I sometimes
need to communicate clearly with them. Queen? London?

T for Tommy has got to beat Tango which is now widely seen as a trade
name.

I would suggest that people don't worry about trademarks, but are more
concerned with clarity and comprenension - hence Tommy may be misheard
as Johnny

F for Freddy is surely nicer than foxtrot. This isn't the 1930's.

I despair

 

[Ivor Jones]

[snip]

I'm on summer time, GMT +1.

My amateur radio log isn't..!

Ivor

 

[Pete Schult]

A for 'Orses .................. ('ay for 'orses)
B for Mutton .................. (Beef or Mutton)
C for Miles ................... (See for Miles)
D for Ential .................. (Differential)
E for Brick ................... ('eave a Brick)
F for Vescence ................ (Effervescence)
G for Get It .................. (Gee, forget it!)
H for Bless You ............... (Aitsshfa! A Sneeze)
I for The Engine .............. (Ivor the Engine)
J for Oranges ................. (Jaffa Oranges)
K for Restaurant .............. (Cafe or Restaurant)
L for Leather ................. ('ell for Leather)
M for Sis' .................... (Emphasis)
N for Lope .................... (Envelope)
O for The Wings Of A Dove ..... (O! for the Wings of a Dove!)
P for Relief .................. (?!?!)
Q for A Bus ................... (Queue for a Bus)
R for Mo' ..................... ('alf a Mo')
S for Rantzen ................. (Esther Rantzen)
T for Two ..................... (Tea for Two)
U for Me ...................... (You for Me)
V for La France ............... (Vive la France)
W for The Winnings ............ (Double you for the Winnings)
X for Breakfast ............... (Eggs for Breakfast)
Y for Husband ................. (Wife or Husband)
Z for Wind .................... (Zephyr Wind)

One that's not quite perfect:

Aye
Bdellium
Czar
Djin
Eye
Floyd
Gnome
Hour
I
Javier
Knot
Llama
Mnemonic
Ngwee
Oedipal
Pneumonia
Quay
Rwanda
Sense
Tsar
Umlaut
Veldt
Write
Xavier
Yttrium
Zeitgeist

 

[The Ghost In The Machine]

Neither, GMT..!

Ivor

UTC is more precise, as it has leap seconds. Admittedly, I don't know
how much that screws up astronomical predictions.

 

[Ivor Jones]

UTC is more precise, as it has leap seconds.
Admittedly, I don't know how much that screws up
astronomical predictions.

Sorry, I can't help it..! I'm a Londoner by birth and I was always rather
fond of Greenwich..!

Ivor

 

[The Magnum]

Sorry, I can't help it..! I'm a Londoner by birth and I was always rather
fond of Greenwich..!

Ivor

'Grotbags' on 'The Pink Windmill' was a Green Witch... don't tell me you
were fond of her too !! ;o)

Graham
(Only knows this because of his two younger daughters)
--
-.-. -... / .-. .- -.. .. ---

Radio is only a Hobby. Don't let it rule your life...

73/51 - Graham, 26-Golf Charlie-19

 

[linker3000]

Here in the UK, when I am on the phone I sometimes have to spell out
words such as my address.

I like to use the Nato phonetic alphabet ("M for Mike") but other people
on the phone call often use something different ("M for mother").

I have to admit that "Mike" does have a rather Anglo-Saxon feel to it.
It may not be all that easily understood by a basic english speaker from
Latin America or Asia Pacific.

There are many phonetic alphabets www.tkos.co.il/phonetic.alphabet.html
but which one(s) can I use today in a wide range of situations?

For example, which can I use in

(a) purely UK domestic situations ("M as in cream")
(b) international situations


Thank you.
Lem

I did some consulting in a large call centre once and one of the
training rooms was booked out to the Virgin (as in trains and airways
etc.) team for new recruits. The phonetic alphabet was plastered on all
the walls - can't remember it all, but it started...

A - Alpha
B - Branson
etc.

I kid you not!