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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Doug said:
What did yours do, flee and leave you behind

Doug


Probably *after* he obtained their Power of Attorney and their house. I
wonder if he used a "replica" here too? ;-)
 
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Doug

Jan 1, 1970
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If this is true, then it would appear that you have been stalking him in the
real world, something that you routinely accuse others of doing to you.

pot-kettle-black

Doug
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Doug said:
If this is true, then it would appear that you have been stalking him in the
real world, something that you routinely accuse others of doing to you.

pot-kettle-black

Doug


He has been "stalking" me. He even posted a message on a BC Security
website asking about me. He logged in as one of his former "detractors"
(Jake). The message, however, originated with his Florida Comcast
account and IP. He doesn't know me, or where I work. The only
"counter" we have is right in front of the receptionists desk and we
don't sell parts across it. In fact, we have very few "walk-in"
clients. I did manage to get a new Rigid Tools Calender from my rep
though... "Youza!" :)
 
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Everywhere Man

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
The contract which you ever on my website was actually the central station's contract, not mine. It was in fact originally written
by the top alarm indusry law firm in the US. Oh, wait. I forgot. You have never worked in the US. Your parents fled the country
decades ago, carrying you with them. <

http://www.Kirschenbaumesq.com
This is the "top alarm industry law firm" that you're talking about.

Maybe I should post the terms of the Slomin's contract to show you just
how reckless your "advice" to the OP was.
You're on death's doorstep and yet you're still acting like a putz.
 
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Doug

Jan 1, 1970
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I find that discriminatory to the atheist's among us

Doug
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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I think the trouble in the first place is the
customer suspects he is getting poor
customer service or value for the dollar
he is spending with his current provider
for some reason....

He may be right. Following are a few quotes from other folks about Slomins. Decide for yourself.

"june262004
Member since 5/05
6821 total posts
Name:
Kristin
Re: Security Systems...
We have Protection One. No complaints. We signed with Slomins and cancelled cause they failed to mention the 5 year Lein they put on
your house"


"Diana1215
Member since 10/05
3170 total posts
Name:
Diana
Re: Security Systems...
I had a Slomins guy come to give us a quote on an Alarm System....I was soooooo turned off on the salesman I couldn't wait for him
to get out of my house..."

The above are from:
http://www.lifamilies.com/chat/topic.aspx?&P=1&ID=23004#P319373


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"Wayne of New Castle DE (07/06/06)
I disconnected my landline phone in May 2005. We were not aware that this would stop the signal from going to the monitoring center.
In November 2005, the alarm went off twice due to a bad wind storm. We were then informed that the system was searching for a
landline. So we thought our home was being monitored but it was not. Slomin's never contacted us to tell us there was a problem and
that they were not receiving a signal from our home.
So I called Verizon and installed a new landline phone service. Slomin's then told me that the system was still not working and that
I needed to pay for a service call of $79.00 per hour to have the service fixed. I then asked to be disconnected from the security
system and they told me to do it in writing. Which I did in December 2005. Then they sent me a bill for $1257.25 for a disconnection
fee. I told them they could come get the equipment from my home but they never came to get it. So now they are suing me for the
money which I feel they are the ones that broke the contract first by not contacting me when they were not receiving a signal.
Slomin is suing me and I can't afford to pay for something especially when I am receiving nothing in return."

This came from:
http://consumeraffairs.com/homeowners/slomins.html


"Another favorite word among marketers is "free," even when it's not entirely accurate, reader Leo Powelstock of Oradell points out.
Powelstock, a former president of the Better Business Bureau for Bergen, Passaic and Rockland Counties was alarmed by a recent
newspaper ad for The Slomin's Shield in which key information "is conspicuous by its absence."
"How much does our advanced home security system cost you?" the ad asks in large, boldface type. "It's FREE!" it answers itself, in
even larger type.
But it's not free. The small type near the bottom of the ad tells consumers that a five-year monitoring agreement is required.
And what does that cost? It doesn't say, so I called the toll-free number. The customer service rep said she wasn't sure - her job
appeared to be to gather information to arrange a call from the company's sales rep - but, after checking with a supervisor, came up
with $25.45 per month if you sign a five-year agreement.
Do the math, and you find the "free" system will cost $1,527."
From:
http://www.northjersey.com/page.php...lRUV5eTY2NDU5ODImeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk5


This one resulted in a lawsuit:
" Implied Warranty Of Merchantability: U.C.C. § 2-314U.C.C. § 2-314 provides consumers with an implied warranty of
merchantability for products and has arisen in consumer lawsuits involving alarm and monitoring systems [ Cirillo v. Slomin's Inc.
[286]"
 
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Petem

Jan 1, 1970
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yup good observation..did they had a way of contacting the OP,
next,if there is no tel line the system can say he cant communicate,not all
alarm company use timer test,and we don't know if they did reach someone
that told them that the OP did cancel its phone line..and that is was normal
that they were not receiving timer test..


be careful too,in most case cancel the line that connects to the alarm
usually remove any liability to the alarm company....(for the OP check in
your contract...
 
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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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However, according to Florida statute, if I
actually did wish to persue a carreer as an installer, I could do so.

An installer, yes, a license holder may be another question. As Dezi would
say, "you have some splain'n to do Lucy", in front of the ECLB prior to even
getting the test application approved. With Mugford on the board that Q&A
process would be a riot. Than you would have to pass the test. How long has
it been since you were in the field?
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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However, according to Florida statute, if I
An installer, yes, a license holder may be
another question. As Dezi would say, "you
have some splain'n to do Lucy", in front of
the ECLB prior to even getting the test
application approved...

Nope. You're absolutely wrong, Worthless. The law is quite clear. Try reading it sometime and then try not deliberately
misquoting it.
With Mugford on the board that Q&A
process would be a riot...

Applicants don't have to go before the ECLB to obtain the license.
Than you would have to pass the test.

No problem. When I took the CT exam, about 1/4 of the applicants walked out in the first 20 minutes. They gave us something like 2
hours to finish. I was done in less than 40 minutes. Passed on the first try with better than a 95%.
How long has it been since you were
in the field?

I'm still in the field. I just don't go out to install anymore. But that's the point. I'm not interested in installing anymore.
I wouldn't want the pay cut.

No reply? Heh, heh, heh.
 
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Norm Mugford

Jan 1, 1970
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Mr. BAss wrote:

"Applicants don't have to go before the ECLB to obtain the license".

You're wrong again, Mr. BAss..........

Norm Mugford



Robert L Bass said:
Nope. You're absolutely wrong, Worthless. The law is quite clear. Try
reading it sometime and then try not deliberately misquoting it.


Applicants don't have to go before the ECLB to obtain the license.


No problem. When I took the CT exam, about 1/4 of the applicants walked
out in the first 20 minutes. They gave us something like 2 hours to
finish. I was done in less than 40 minutes. Passed on the first try with
better than a 95%.


I'm still in the field. I just don't go out to install anymore. But
that's the point. I'm not interested in installing anymore. I wouldn't
want the pay cut.


No reply? Heh, heh, heh.


I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
 
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Doug

Jan 1, 1970
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Its a little late for that and the drugs have nothing to do with it.

Doug
 
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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert L Bass said:
Nope. You're absolutely wrong, Worthless. The law is quite clear. Try
reading it sometime and then try not deliberately
misquoting it.

There you go with the insults again. I should have put a smiley face after
my post. Then you may have read it with a different outlook. To respond to
your defensive reply, I did not misquote anything. My post is still visible
here. What was quoted? There was nothing quoted in the answer. I do agree
with you that the law is quite clear. I have read the statutes and the rules
it in their entirety, as they are updated constantly, more times than I care
to count. I totally understand them, as I personally have been involved in
writing part of it, at least the bills that have gone into law that the
statute is built on. I think you may have read only the parts up to where
you think you are clear of the law. I do agree that there are parts of the
law that exempt your on line sales of equipment, as long as you only sell
the equipment. But there are other statutes and rules that effect licensing.
I have had this converstion with you before and ask you to tell me what
these were to see if you were actually as knowledgable about the subject as
you claim. There was no response from you. It is not necessary to rehash the
topic. You don't know what they are and you haven't read them. Admit it. :eek:]
Applicants don't have to go before the ECLB to obtain the license.

If you had read "the statutes and rules in their entirety, you would see
that all applications must be submitted 45 days prior to the next ECLB Board
meeting. Why would that be a requirement? To let the DBPR put all the
documentation together, along with their findings, before it goes to the
Board. If there are any issues of concern, whether it is work experience,
personal history questions, financial or credit history questions ie
bankrupcy's, liens etc. that need to be answered, not only does the
application package, but the applicant will appear before the board at that
next meeting. You have never gone through it, so why do you constantly fight
what is reality, other than, it is in your personality to do so? :eek:]
No problem. When I took the CT exam, about 1/4 of the applicants walked
out in the first 20 minutes. They gave us something like 2
hours to finish. I was done in less than 40 minutes. Passed on the first
try with better than a 95%.

Never said you weren't a smart guy....a smart bASS maybe, but I don't ever
under estimate someones intellegence until I know them. I really don't know
your intellectual capability's, especially when you have access to the
internet at the touch of your finger. Take the computer away, where you
don't have access to everyone elses knowledge, and you may be just another
bump on a log, as far as I know.
I'm still in the field. I just don't go out to install anymore.

Well than you need to be very careful. If you are in the field picking
(pushing) daiseys than you are good to go, but, if you are in the field
inspecting, designing, consulting, etc. than you are stepping into an area
that needs licensing. You have left the exempted area of the statute that
you have been enjoying. If you are sure the law is quite clear than you
should know this. :eek:]

No reply? Heh, heh, heh.

Jesus Robert, why am I conversing with you when you are on drugs? Your
answering your own post. Think about this for a minute. Maybe you should
wait on posting anything else until your treatment is over before you make a
bASS out of yourself unless you just want to humor us. :eek:]
 
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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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G. Morgan said:
His reply had nothing to do with me, stupid. If you want the truth we
exchange email on a semi-regular basis (the last one was yesterday).

That is true and G has help me out on some company issues, which worked out
to satisfation by the way, and some other info. that may be in his benefit
should he want to persue it. I am sure the emails will continue.
Believe it or not, your name has never been mentioned.

Graham, the poor guy is answering his own post of God's sake. What are we to
think about anything he posts right now? Look at what he has been throwing
out there. He is sicker than we thought or is it the drugs? He is delirious
thinking that no one can converse without talking about him. It is starting
to look pretty sad. :eek:[
 
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Bob Worthy

Jan 1, 1970
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Doug said:
Its a little late for that and the drugs have nothing to do with it.

Doug

I swear, his head is as thick as a brick. :eek:]

Bob Worthy said:
Jesus Robert, why am I conversing with you when you are on drugs? Your
answering your own post. Think about this for a minute. Maybe you should
wait on posting anything else until your treatment is over before you make
a
bASS out of yourself unless you just want to humor us. :eek:]
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob said:
Doug said:
Its a little late for that and the drugs have nothing to do with it.

Doug


I swear, his head is as thick as a brick. :eek:]


The kind of brick I see being used a lot these days is hollow in the
middle... :)
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
He may be right. Following are a few quotes from other folks about Slomins. Decide for yourself.

"june262004
Member since 5/05
6821 total posts
Name:
Kristin
Re: Security Systems...
We have Protection One. No complaints. We signed with Slomins and cancelled cause they failed to mention the 5 year Lein they put on
your house"


"Diana1215
Member since 10/05
3170 total posts
Name:
Diana
Re: Security Systems...
I had a Slomins guy come to give us a quote on an Alarm System....I was soooooo turned off on the salesman I couldn't wait for him
to get out of my house..."


<snip>

It appears to me that the referenced websites allow anyone to post
anything they pretty well want. Andy Bowman (an online competitor) had
a similar experience with some entries in his "guestbook". He
back-tracked the orginating IP addresses and found they were *yours*!

You recognize these?

"First guest book entry:


(1) Full Name
tester
(2) E-Mail Address
[email protected]
(3) Home Page URL
www.alarmservicesinc.com
(4) Home Page Title
(5) Date (system)
4/25/02
(6) Time (system)
3:07 AM
(7) IP Address (system)
68.56.141.54
(8) Comments
test


The second one:


A new post has arrived with he following information:


(1) Full Name
Badenov
(2) E-Mail Address
Nomen Nescio <[email protected]>
(3) Home Page URL
none
(4) Home Page Title
(5) Date (system)
4/25/02
(6) Time (system)
3:11 AM
(7) IP Address (system)
68.56.141.54
(8) Comments
Terrible service! Ordered from this store and got a real run around.
Overpaid for good and got no service."
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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2006 Florida Statutes -- CHAPTER 489 CONTRACTING
PART II ELECTRICAL AND ALARM SYSTEM CONTRACTING (ss. 489.501-489.538)

489.129 Disciplinary proceedings.--
(1) The board may take any of the following actions against any certificateholder or registrant: place on probation or reprimand the licensee, revoke, suspend, or deny the issuance or renewal of the certificate, registration, or certificate of authority, require financial restitution to a consumer for financial harm directly related to a violation of a provision of this part, impose an administrative fine not to exceed $10,000 per violation, require continuing education, or assess costs associated with investigation and prosecution, if the contractor, financially responsible officer, or business organization for which the contractor is a primary qualifying agent, a financially responsible officer, or a secondary qualifying agent responsible under s. 489.1195 is found guilty of any of the following acts:
(a) Obtaining a certificate, registration, or certificate of authority by fraud or misrepresentation.
(b) Being convicted or found guilty of, or entering a plea of nolo contendere to, regardless of adjudication, a crime in any jurisdiction which directly relates to the practice of contracting or the ability to practice contracting.

489.518 Alarm system agents.--

(1) A licensed electrical or alarm system contractor may not employ a person to perform the duties of a burglar alarm system agent unless the person:

(a) Is at least 18 years of age or has evidence of a court-approved declaration of emancipation.

(b) Has successfully completed a minimum of 14 hours of training, to include basic alarm system electronics in addition to related training including CCTV and access control training, with at least 2 hours of training in the prevention of false alarms. Such training shall be from a board-approved provider, and the employee or applicant for employment shall provide proof of successful completion to the licensed employer. The board shall by rule establish criteria for the approval of training courses and providers and may by rule establish criteria for accepting alternative nonclassroom education on an hour-for-hour basis. The board shall approve providers that conduct training in other than the English language. The board shall establish a fee for the approval of training providers or courses, not to exceed $60. Qualified employers may conduct training classes for their employees, with board approval.

(c) Has not been convicted within the last 3 years of a crime that directly relates to the business for which employment is being sought. Although the employee is barred from operating as an alarm system agent for 3 years subsequent to his or her conviction, the employer shall be supplied the information regarding any convictions occurring prior to that time, and the employer may at his or her discretion consider an earlier conviction to be a bar to employment as an alarm system agent. To ensure that this requirement has been met, a licensed electrical or alarm contractor must obtain from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement a completed fingerprint and criminal background check for each applicant for employment as a burglar alarm system agent or for each individual currently employed on the effective date of this act as a burglar alarm system agent.

(d) Has not been committed for controlled substance abuse or been found guilty of a crime under chapter 893 or a similar law relating to controlled substances in any other state within the 3-year period immediately preceding the date of application for employment, or the effective date of this act for an individual employed as a burglar alarm system agent on that date, unless he or she establishes that he or she is not currently abusing any controlled substance and has successfully completed a rehabilitation course.
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
*2006 Florida Statutes -- CHAPTER 489 CONTRACTING*


All the huffing and puffing about a 30-year-old assault (not battery)
which had nothing to do with the trade is pure BS and you and Mugford
know this full well. Statements you've made to the contrary were lies.


Robert: What has "disciplinary proceedings" and employment of "alarm
system agents" to do with your obtaining licensing as the owner of an
alarm company (a contractor)? There are an entirely different set of
standards for certification as a contractor. I doubt you would qualify.

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489.511 Certification; application; examinations; endorsement.--

(1) Any person desiring to be certified as a contractor shall apply to
the department in writing to take the certification examination.

(2)(a) A person shall be entitled to take the certification examination
for the purpose of determining whether he or she is qualified to engage
in contracting throughout the state as a contractor if the person:

1. Is at least 18 years of age;

2. Is of good moral character; and

3. Meets eligibility requirements according to one of the following
criteria:

a. Has, within the 6 years immediately preceding the filing of the
application, at least 3 years' proven management experience in the trade
or education equivalent thereto, or a combination thereof, but not more
than one-half of such experience may be educational equivalent;

b. Has, within the 8 years immediately preceding the filing of the
application, at least 4 years' experience as a supervisor or contractor
in the trade for which he or she is making application;

c. Has, within the 12 years immediately preceding the filing of the
application, at least 6 years of comprehensive training, technical
education, or supervisory experience associated with an electrical or
alarm system contracting business, or at least 6 years of technical
experience in electrical or alarm system work with the Armed Forces or a
governmental entity;

d. Has, within the 12 years immediately preceding the filing of the
application, been licensed for 3 years as a professional engineer who is
qualified by education, training, or experience to practice electrical
engineering; or

e. Has any combination of qualifications under sub-subparagraphs a.-c.
totaling 6 years of experience.

(b) For purposes of this subsection, "supervisor" means a person having
the experience gained while having the general duty of overseeing the
technical duties of the trade, provided that such experience is gained
by a person who is able to perform the technical duties of the trade
without supervision.

(c) For purposes of this subsection, at least 40 percent of the work
experience for an alarm system contractor I must be in the types of fire
alarm systems typically used in a commercial setting.

(3) On or after October 1, 1998, every applicant who is qualified shall
be allowed to take the examination three times, notwithstanding the
number of times the applicant has previously failed the examination. If
an applicant fails the examination three times after October 1, 1998,
the board shall require the applicant to complete additional
college-level or technical education courses in the areas of deficiency,
as determined by the board, as a condition of future eligibility to take
the examination. The applicant must also submit a new application that
meets all certification requirements at the time of its submission and
must pay all appropriate fees.

(4)(a) "Good moral character" means a personal history of honesty,
fairness, and respect for the rights of others and for laws of this
state and nation.

(b) The board may determine that an individual applying for
certification is ineligible to take the examination for failure to
satisfy the requirement of good moral character only if:

1. There is a substantial connection between the lack of good moral
character of the individual and the professional responsibilities of a
certified contractor; and

2. The finding by the board of lack of good moral character is
supported by clear and convincing evidence.

(c) When an individual is found to be unqualified for examination
because of a lack of good moral character, the board shall furnish such
individual a statement containing the findings of the board, a complete
record of the evidence upon which the determination was based, and a
notice of the rights of the individual to a rehearing and appeal.

(5) The board shall, by rule, designate those types of specialty
electrical or alarm system contractors who may be certified under this
part. The limit of the scope of work and responsibility of a certified
specialty contractor shall be established by board rule. A certified
specialty contractor category exists as an optional statewide licensing
category. Qualification for certification in a specialty category
created by rule shall be the same as set forth in paragraph (2)(a). The
existence of a specialty category created by rule does not itself create
any licensing requirement; however, neither does its optional nature
remove any licensure requirement established elsewhere in this part.

(6) The board shall certify as qualified for certification by
endorsement any individual applying for certification who:

(a) Meets the requirements for certification as set forth in this
section; has passed a national, regional, state, or United States
territorial licensing examination that is substantially equivalent to
the examination required by this part; and has satisfied the
requirements set forth in s. 489.521; or

(b) Holds a valid license to practice electrical or alarm system
contracting issued by another state or territory of the United States,
if the criteria for issuance of such license was substantially
equivalent to the certification criteria that existed in this state at
the time the certificate was issued.

(7) Upon the issuance of a certificate, any previously issued
registered licenses for the classification in which the certification is
issued are rendered void.

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