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[John]

All,
I have a standard slomins alarm system, wired that connects to the CS
via POTS. I'd like to add one a cell phone connection that in the even the
land line is cut, would allow the alarm to dial the service. Any
suggestions on a box to use?

TIA
John

 

[Robert L Bass]

You're pretty much stuck with whatever Slomins offers you. You can't

just buy your own equipment and hook it up to their CS.

Actually, the gentleman can do exactly that. There are add-on cellular backup units available online which simply repeat the
telephone number the panel sends over the cellular link, then hand off the "line" to the alarm dialer to transmit the data. The
operation is transparent to Slomins' central station (or any other CS for that matter).

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
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[Robert L Bass]

Uh, huh.. Why don't you tell the gentleman

the rest of the story, like how he voided his
contract...

No, stupid. He doesn't "void his contract" by providing an alternate telephone path. The contract remains inb full force and
effect.

and any liability the alarmco has by
interrupting the line between the panel
and RJ-31x.

The alarm company's contract limits their liability to about $250, give or take a McDonald's Happy Meal, no matter what goes wrong
anyway. Besides, if you knew how these things work you'd realize that the device doesn't *interrupt* the line between the panel and
the RJ31X. The cellular backup unit takes over the connection only when and if the phone line is out of service.

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Mark Leuck]

No, stupid. He doesn't "void his contract" by providing an alternate

telephone path. The contract remains inb full force and

effect.

Perhaps you should mention the small portion of the contract about tampering
with the system, any fool who would add the device you suggest will indeed
void the contract

You seem to have this thing for screwing with phone lines, first it's 3 or 4
relays on a Napco panel and now this... no wonder you got out of the
installation side

The alarm company's contract limits their liability to about $250, give or

take a McDonald's Happy Meal, no matter what goes wrong

anyway.

That statement is so untrue and pathetic it's laughable, it's also a good
thing you sold your "small central station".

Besides, if you knew how these things work you'd realize that the device

doesn't *interrupt* the line between the panel and

the RJ31X. The cellular backup unit takes over the connection only when

and if the phone line is out of service.

And perhaps if you knew how things work you too would know, you are
suggesting the customer place an unapproved (by Slomin's) device on the most
critical part of the security system. Slomin's has no way of knowing if this
device is installed correctly or even functions. It is just a flippant
remark on your side, just another day on the web but someone might just get
killed on his end...of course that won't matter to you

I'm sure given the opportunity you will also tell this person to be sure to
take it off and not mention it to the Slomin's tech when something goes
wrong

 

[Robert L Bass]

Perhaps you should mention the small portion of the contract about tampering

with the system, any fool who would add the device you suggest will indeed
void the contract

You are dead wrong. The contract isn't "voided" by adding anything. Next time think before you type. You'll seem less of a fool.

You seem to have this thing for screwing
with phone lines...

Now you're going to pretend that it isn't common practice in the alarm industry to add cellular backup?

That statement is so untrue and pathetic...

Of course, if you actually read Slomans' contract you'd.... Nah, scratch that. You're so disingenuous you'd deny it anyway.

And perhaps if you knew how things work
you too would know, you are suggesting
the customer place an unapproved (by
Slomin's) device....

Slomans is not an AHJ. The phone line is his. If he wants to provide his own cellular backup that's his choice. Slomans would
prefer to sell him the device (at a much higher markup, of course) but the end result is the same.

You and your pals male your living off installed, monitored systems. I cater to DIYers who want to take care of their own security.
As such, we have always been at odds.

Slomin's has no way of knowing if this
device is installed correctly or even functions...

That's easy to determine. Call Slomans to say he's running a test. Unplug the RJ31X. Trip the alarm. Wait 5 minutes. Call
Slomans to verify they got the signal. It's exactly what the installer would do if he chose to have them install it for him. The
only difference is he'll pay an alarm company three times as much if he follows your advice. Oh, wait. Could it be that you think
that's a good thing?

It is just a flippant remark on your side,
just another day on the web but someone
might just get killed on his end...

Oh, yeah. Those cellular backup units are *really* dangerous. what with that 12 Volt DC connection he could burn his house down

I'm sure given the opportunity you will
also tell this person to be sure to take
it off and not mention it to the Slomin's
tech when something goes wrong....

Actually, that hadn't occurred to me. But now that you mention it... :^)

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Doug]

https://www.telular.com/images/TG4 Sell Sheet final 9-2005 small file.pdf

 

[Robert L Bass]

You go from just obnoxious, to downright dangerous...

You're more consistent. You remain obnoxious. I guess with all of your crippling fears, even I must seem dangerous.

 

[Robert L Bass]

I'd say the most dangerous thing about you

is your propensity to brandish firearms
whenever you can't win an argument...

Considering I haven't owned or even touched a firearm in nearly 30 years, I guess you're safe. Besides, you haven't the
wherewithall to win an argument.

 

[Mark Leuck]

You are dead wrong. The contract isn't "voided" by adding anything. Next

time think before you type. You'll seem less of a fool.

Apparently you've never read many contracts

Now you're going to pretend that it isn't common practice in the alarm

industry to add cellular backup?

Not by the customer, if you suggested calling Slomins' out to do it then
that would be another story, its that liability thing you keep denying

Of course, if you actually read Slomans' contract you'd.... Nah, scratch

that. You're so disingenuous you'd deny it anyway.

Sure Robert, tell us how many Slomins' contracts you've read, you can't even
spell the company name correctly

Slomans is not an AHJ. The phone line is his. If he wants to provide his

own cellular backup that's his choice. Slomans would

prefer to sell him the device (at a much higher markup, of course) but the

end result is the same.

Not while he is under their monitoring contract, if he fools with anything
connected to the security system he is responsible should anything go wrong

You and your pals male your living off installed, monitored systems. I

cater to DIYers who want to take care of their own security.

As such, we have always been at odds

No we are at odds because you just gave someone very poor advice, if he
really was a DIYer who installed his own system it would be another story
but it's someone under an existing monitoring contract
..

Oh, yeah. Those cellular backup units are *really* dangerous. what with

that 12 Volt DC connection he could burn his house down

jusy thinking about it. <snerk>


Actually, that hadn't occurred to me. But now that you mention it... :^)

That would be just about your style

 

[Norm Mugford]

Mr. BAss wrote:

"Considering I haven't owned or even touched a firearm in nearly 30 years, I
guess you're safe".

Mr. BAss, is that because? A) You don't know how to use a firearm.
B) You killed someone
C) You're a convicted
felon
D) All of the above

The right answer would be "D" in your case Mr. BAss.

Norm Mugford

Considering I haven't owned or even touched a firearm in nearly 30 years,
I guess you're safe. Besides, you haven't the wherewithall to win an
argument.

I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html

 

[Frank Olson]

All,
I have a standard slomins alarm system, wired that connects to the CS
via POTS. I'd like to add one a cell phone connection that in the even the
land line is cut, would allow the alarm to dial the service. Any
suggestions on a box to use?

TIA
John

Just one suggestion. You are contracted to Slomins. Give them a call.
They will be happy to provide a solution.

 

[Frank Olson]

Robert L Bass wrote:

<insert portion snipped by Robert Bass> first it's 3 or 4
relays on a Napco panel and now this... no wonder you got out of the
installation side

Robert replies:

Now you're going to pretend that it isn't common practice in the alarm industry to add cellular backup?

And you have this rather nasty habit of editing posts from individuals
to make a "point" that has nothing to do with the post you're responding to.

The OP is under contract to Slomins (and apparently not at all unhappy
about it). I don't happen to have a copy of their contract handy and
I'm sure you don't either. What you propose would certainly void the
majority of contracts I've seen. Your own former monitoring contract is
so filled with "loopholes" it can't really be called a "contract". You
assume responsibility for *nothing* and that's no wonder. You have no
insurance, no license, and no bonding.

http://www.goofysplace.com/bass.pdf

 

[Jim]

All,
I have a standard slomins alarm system, wired that connects to the CS
via POTS. I'd like to add one a cell phone connection that in the even the
land line is cut, would allow the alarm to dial the service. Any
suggestions on a box to use?

TIA
John

John here is the paragraph in a contract that would limit you
working/modifying your system. This is what is in my contract and I'm
sure a company as large as Slomin's has the same thing. Read your
contract.

"Warranty does not cover any damage to material or equipment caused by
accident, misuse, attempted or unaurthorized repair, service,
modification or improper installation by anyone other than XYZ
company.XYZ company shall not be liable for consequential damages. "

Robert Bass is a trouble maker and has disrupted this group for years.
He's a felon, is responsible for someones death and regularly lies
cheats and misleads end users that come to this group so that he can
sell them equipment.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Apparently you've never read many contracts

Obviously, you have no understanding of contract law. I studied business law for several years. I've also read numerous alarm
monitoring contracts.

industry to add cellular backup?

Not by the customer...

There's the whole crux of the matter. We both know that it's easy to do this stuff. You and your idiot pals routinely insist that
by making a simple connection to the phone line and the alarm the customer's contract will be vacated, his insurance will be voided,
his house will explode, his wife will eave him and/or his dog will die.

It's all about keeping customers from realizing that they don't need your over-priced, incompetent help to do what they can easily
do for themselves.

--- snip bullshit ---

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Robert L Bass]

That is one very heavy duty, major league

item to have on one's resume' let alone
one's conscience...

As usual, Mugford is trying to mislead and misconstrue. He says I killed someone as though that was in the commission of a crime.
What he's referring to is the fact that I was involved in an auto accident 38 years ago. Someone died. No charges were ever filed.
It was a tragedy and it's my burden to bear. Mugford knows this though he regularly lies about it.

I don't mean to claim any false sense of moral
superiority...

You wouldn't have any.

...merely thankful that of all the burdens I have
placed on my conscience nothing comes close to playing in that league.

Nothing these idiots can say will make me any more nor any less sad over that tragic day. I was 19 years old and way too tired to
be driving. No drugs. No alcohol. Just exhaustion from having driven all night. She was a friend. Her husband remained a friend
long afterward.

You can try, like Mugford, Olson, the Matamoron and several others here have repeatedly done to twist that into a "murder" or you
can let it go. What you say about it in future, now that you know the truth, will determine what kind of human being you are. We
already know what king of lowlife, lying sacks of garbage Leuck, Olson and Mugford are.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Robert L Bass wrote:


<insert portion snipped by Robert Bass> first it's 3 or 4
relays on a Napco panel and now this... no wonder you got out of the
installation side

Robert replies:



And you have this rather nasty habit of editing posts from individuals to make a "point" that has nothing to do with the post
you're responding to.

The thread is about the OP's need for cellular backup. I responded to that.

The OP is under contract to Slomins...

And now he wants to buy something else for which he is not under contract with Slomins.

(and apparently not at all unhappy about it)...

And yet here he is looking for information about cellular backups. I answered his question. You're busy trying to turn that inti
something else.

I don't happen to have a copy of their contract
handy and I'm sure you don't either....

I've read their standard contract. I doubt you'd understand it.

What you propose would certainly void the majority of contracts I've seen....

Wrong again. You don't even understand what it means to "void" a contract.

Your own former monitoring contract is so filled with "loopholes" it can't really be
called a "contract"...

The contract which you ever on my website was actually the central station's contract, not mine. It was in fact originally written
by the top alarm indusry law firm in the US. Oh, wait. I forgot. You have never worked in the US. Your parents fled the country
decades ago, carrying you with them.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Obviously, you have no understanding of contract law. I studied business

law for several years. I've also read numerous alarm

monitoring contracts.

And yet you come to the conclusion the alarm company is liable to about
$250, wrong!

There's the whole crux of the matter. We both know that it's easy to do

this stuff. You and your idiot pals routinely insist that

by making a simple connection to the phone line and the alarm the

customer's contract will be vacated, his insurance will be voided,

Yes, only a fool would say otherwise

his house will explode, his wife will eave him and/or his dog will die.

Entirely possible

It's all about keeping customers from realizing that they don't need your

over-priced, incompetent help to do what they can easily

do for themselves.

You might not have noticed but he never mentioned how much it would cost if
Slomins' did the work

 

[Mark Leuck]

As usual, Mugford is trying to mislead and misconstrue. He says I killed

someone as though that was in the commission of a crime.

What he's referring to is the fact that I was involved in an auto accident

38 years ago. Someone died. No charges were ever filed.

It was a tragedy and it's my burden to bear. Mugford knows this though he

regularly lies about it.

Don't forget to mention the Florida conviction for assault on a relative
with a gun in 1979

 

[Robert L Bass]

Obviously, you have no understanding of contract law. I studied business

law for several years. I've also read numerous alarm

And yet you come to the conclusion the alarm company is liable to about
$250, wrong!

Like I said before, you are totally disingenuous. You know as well as I that standard alarm company monitoring contracts --
virtually all of them -- include a limitation of liability clause which says that in the event they are held liable for any customer
losses the alarm company's maximum liability shall be $250 or one year's monitoring fees, whichever is lesser. The precise amount
varies but that is the gist of it. This has been discussed in ASA hundreds of times over the years and you have participated in
those threads.

You might not have noticed but he never mentioned
how much it would cost if Slomins' did the work

At this stage we're talking about the reason you lie, not his questions. I answered him correctly. You lied.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Don't forget to mention the Florida conviction

for assault on a relative with a gun in 1979...

Wrong on two counts. It was a stranger and the "gun" was a non-working replica. The information in a private website which you
accessed was and is wrong. You've relied on that erroneous information for years. The event in question happened about 30 years
ago. Care to explain what it has to do with the OP's question?