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[Mark Leuck]

Wrong on two counts. It was a stranger and the "gun" was a non-working

replica. The information in a private website which you

accessed was and is wrong. You've relied on that erroneous information

for years. The event in question happened about 30 years

ago. Care to explain what it has to do with the OP's question?

First you claim no gun was involved, now its a non-working replica. the
story continues to evolve. Spin it all you want it is Florida's record and
because of it you cannot install security systems in most states.

And if you note this was a reply to your message to G Morgan which also had
nothing to do with the OP's question

 

[Frank Olson]

Robert L Bass wrote:

Like I said before, you are totally disingenuous.

Of the individuals that post here regularly, Mark is one of the most
upstanding and helpful I know. Unlike you, he's never lied or
plagiarized someone else's work.

You know as well as I that standard alarm company monitoring contracts --
virtually all of them -- include a limitation of liability clause which says that in the event they are held liable for any customer
losses the alarm company's maximum liability shall be $250 or one year's monitoring fees, whichever is lesser. The precise amount
varies but that is the gist of it. This has been discussed in ASA hundreds of times over the years and you have participated in
those threads.

Yes, it has. There was a similar "limitation clause" in Chubb's
contract, yet when a customers premise burned down and the alarm failed
to notify the station, they were held liable for significant damages
*over and above* the so-called "limitation".

All of the individuals *in the trade* that post here are either owners,
managers, or employees of alarm companies. Alarm companies (in most
states and provinces) need to be licensed, bonded and *insured*. When I
say "insured", that means they carry a significant amount of liability
coverage (usually on the order of 5 million dollars, but that amount
increases depending on the type of work they're involved in). From your
statement concerning "limitation of liability", I take it you've never
carried liability insurance, errors and omissions, or failure to
perform. You've relied entirely on the "$250.00 limitation clause" in
your contract to protect your ass. You're a moron, Bass, and I for one
am very glad that you no longer run (or are involved in) an alarm
installation/service company. There are far too many "trunkers" out
there as it is and one less is all for the better.

At this stage we're talking about the reason you lie, not his questions. I answered him correctly. You lied.

Interesting how you've managed to divert this thread with a few well
placed "snips", isn't it?

 

[Doug]

So you assaulted a complete stranger with a replica gun and in your mind
that's acceptable, "oh it was only a stranger and it wasn't a real gun", I'm
sure that was some comfort to the terrified victim of your assault, and you
have the front to moralise and call others "lowlife, lying sacks of garbage"

Doug

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[Frank Olson]

The thread is about the OP's need for cellular backup. I responded to that.

With some nonsense about doing his own installation and service when
he's under contract to Slomins.

And now he wants to buy something else for which he is not under contract with Slomins.

You're an idiot Bass. The part he wants to purchase/install is
connected to alarm equipment which (to our knowledge) he might not even
own. Here you go "jumpin' in" with more DIY nonsense where you have no
business going.

And yet here he is looking for information about cellular backups. I answered his question. You're busy trying to turn that inti
something else.

Nope. You did that when you started "snipping" Mark's response to yours.

I've read their standard contract.

You quite obviously haven't. You're "surmising" (or sermonizing - take
your pick).

I doubt you'd understand it.

Actually, after having read yours, I doubt very seriously you were ever
"in the trade".

Wrong again. You don't even understand what it means to "void" a contract.

I understand perfectly well that there are "terms and conditions" each
party to a contract agree to. Here are "a few" worth noting:

"The Subscriber shall forthwith notify *** of any structural alteration
or any other modification which might affect the Alarm System or the
operation thereof. Any alteration of the Alarm System which may
thereby become necessary shall be made by *** at the Subscriber’s expense."

"No repairs, replacements and adjustments shall be made to the Alarm
System by any person other than a duly authorized representative of ***."

"The Subscriber shall report to *** immediately any defects in the Alarm
System."

"If the Subscriber shall fail to make any payment hereunder as and when
the same becomes due and payable or shall breach any of the covenants
and obligations on the Subscriber’s part contained herein or if the
Subscriber should become bankrupt or make an assignment for the benefit
of creditors or if the Subscriber should vacate the Premises then in
each case all amounts payable hereunder until the expiration of the
current term of the Agreement shall immediately become due and payable
and *** may, at its option and without prejudice to such other rights as
it may then have, enter into the Premises and remove the Alarm System
and such removal shall not in any way affect the Subscriber’s obligation
to pay as herein set out; provided that in any such case *** shall have
the option to terminate this Agreement by giving notice in writing of
termination to the Subscriber."

The contract which you ever on my website was actually the central station's contract, not mine. It was in fact originally written
by the top alarm indusry law firm in the US.

That figures. Why do you think it took them so long to recognize that
you were selling their services illegally?? I note that you're no
longer "pushing" NEXTALARM. I feel sorry for the people at "911". They
have no clue as to whom they're dealing with.

Oh, wait. I forgot. You have never worked in the US.

Oh, wait. You forget frequently. You don't know me and wouldn't know
whether I've worked in the US or not.

Your parents fled the country
decades ago, carrying you with them.

Now wouldn't you say you're being a tad "disingenuous" with that last
remark?

 

[Doug]

What did yours do, flee and leave you behind

Doug

 

[Frank Olson]

Wrong on two counts. It was a stranger and the "gun" was a non-working replica.

Now that's news to me. In our one and only telephone conversation you
never once mentioned the gun was a "replica". In fact, ISTR you told me
it *wasn't loaded*. Be that as it may, the mere fact that you pulled it
out and made threat to use it is completely unacceptable. You "got off"
lucky with "five years probation".

The information in a private website which you
accessed was and is wrong. You've relied on that erroneous information for years. The event in question happened about 30 years
ago. Care to explain what it has to do with the OP's question?

Care to explain how it is you seem to think your "shilling" for your on
line store every chance you get is even remotely acceptable? When's the
last time you read the FAQ?

 

[Doug]

Roland,

Does the term verbal diarrhea mean anything to you, instead of producing a
mini series you could have said

"Doug, you're a boring old fart now, you were probably a miserable bastard
as a kid and you fucked up by not realising how much fun fake guns can be"

and I thought RHC was long winded.

Oh, and I'm still in my early years.

Doug

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[alarman]

Oh, and I'm still in my early years.

Like the Cenozoic era.
js

 

[Robert L Bass]

First you claim no gun was involved...

That is true. A replica is not a gun. It only looks like a gun.

now its a non-working replica...

It's all a matter of public record. If you really want to know the facts, you can write to the Polk County court. They still
maintain records, even 30 years later.

because of it you cannot install security
systems in most states...

I installed in CT for 24 years since then, with the full knowledge of the Ct licensing board. I've sold my installation company and
have no further interest in installing for a living. It would require a major pay cut. However, according to Florida statute, if I
actually did wish to persue a carreer as an installer, I could do so.

And if you note this was a reply to your
message to G Morgan which also had
nothing to do with the OP's question...

Cracker has nothing to do with anything. He's of no significance to me, you or anyone else.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Of the individuals that post here regularly...

--- snip Olson kissing Leuck's posterior ---

Of the individuals who post here regularly, you are the last one who should ever speak of ingenuity, integrity, honesty or
helpfulness. None of these traits have ever been attributed to you.

Yes, it has. There was a similar "limitation
clause" in Chubb's contract, yet when a
customers premise burned down and the
alarm failed to notify the station...

You're taking about a case involving *gross negligence.* The contract was over ruled by the court because of the professional alarm
company's misdeeds. Gross negligence is a tortious act for which numerous professional alarm companies have been sued. It has
nothing to do with a customer providing an alternate telephone path.

We are talking about contractual liability and the idiotic assertion that if a customer provides his own cellular backup his
contract would be voided. If a contract is voided, neither party has any further responsibility to the other. If it's voided, the
client doesn't have to pay for monitoring and the alarm company doesn't doesn't have to provide monitoring services. Suffice it to
say that no greedy alarm company is gooing to let their vict... er, customers off the hook just because they install their own
cellular backup. As I said earlier, you have no idea what you're talking about.

All of the individuals *in the trade* that
post here are either owners, managers,
or employees of alarm companies...

All except you, Olson. You're a counter clerk at a small distributor. No one *in the trade* anywhere in or around Vancouver ever
heard of you with one exception. A woman at one company that you once worked for stated that you had been there but had left.
Asked if you would be eligible for rehire, she said absolutely not.

 

[Robert L Bass]

So you assaulted a complete stranger

with a replica gun...

I lost my temper. It was 30 years ago. Since then I grew up. What happened to you?

 

[Robert L Bass]

pistol whipping techniques...

Wrong again. In Florida, "assault" means to threaten. Striking someone is called "battery"

 

[Robert L Bass]

Now that's news to me. In our one and only telephone conversation you never once mentioned the gun was a "replica". In fact,

ISTR you told me it *wasn't loaded*....

You're lyine (again). I never said any such thing. But then, lying is your stock in trade. Flown any inverted 737's lately?

 

[Doug]

What happened to me ?, I grew up without assaulting, killing or maiming
anyone, pretty unremarkable really, a lot of people seem to manage it.

Assaulting someone with a replica gun doesn't seem to me as something that
typically occurs when throwing a tantrum, while not as familiar with assault
and battery as you seem to be, I would imagine most attacks that result from
a loss of control use the nearest available object as a weapon. The use of a
gun, real or otherwise tends to suggest a planned assault or robbery.

I would suggest anger management to control your temper.

Doug

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[Doug]

No doubt, if you had your response in CHA would likely to have been to deny
the assault ever took place, oh well such is life.


Doug

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[Robert]

where does it say you have to do what Bass says in usenet?

 

[Doug]

Your off topic political statements with which you have been bombarding
newsgroups with recently offer no value either, but that doesn't stop you
posting them. Why don't you get your own house in order before trying to
tell others what is or isn't acceptable.

Doug.

 

[Petem]

The thread is about the OP's need for cellular backup. I responded to
that.


And now he wants to buy something else for which he is not under contract
with Slomins.

But this device can interfere with the section that is under contract...
most contract if not all say that not providing a telephone line for the
alarm panel will void the liability of the monitoring station,and a cellular
back up that simulate a hard line is NOT a phone line..

the alarm panel never been tested to work with the cellular back up and the
panel maker will say that it wont support it..and wont be held responsible
if anything occurs...

they will simply protect there ass,as any one would do especialy in the
state,where anyone can sue you for a fart..

bAss stop putting anyone under big problem,just for a few bucks,if you want
to sell to diy that want to mess with there loved one life,fine,but for
people under contract you should at least tell them that if they mess with
there alarm system,they will have a hard time proving that what they did
,didn't prevent the normal operation of the alarm system,and that in front
of a judge that don't understand a zeta about alarm system when there
insurance co wont pay for the damage...

 

[Petem]

I lost my temper. It was 30 years ago. Since then I grew up. What
happened to you?

Putting weight on your body is not growing up......

so since chimo is making you loose weight ,you must be receding....

 

[Frank Olson]

Of the individuals who post here regularly, you are the last one who should ever speak of ingenuity, integrity, honesty or
helpfulness. None of these traits have ever been attributed to you.

That's probably because they've never been called into question...
Unlike you...

You're taking about a case involving *gross negligence.* The contract was over ruled by the court because of the professional alarm
company's misdeeds. Gross negligence is a tortious act for which numerous professional alarm companies have been sued. It has
nothing to do with a customer providing an alternate telephone path.

In this instance, you're completely wrong (as usual). One of the
customer's employees actually bypassed the fire zone because of numerous
falses from the fire alarm panel. The judge in the case held Chubb
partially responsible because there was no evidence they had ever
complied with the ULC certificate's requirements of an annual inspection
(the certificate is issued for five years and requires annual checks and
signatures to remain in full force and effect).

We are talking about contractual liability and the idiotic assertion that if a customer provides his own cellular backup his
contract would be voided.

Standard contract wording should include:

"The Subscriber shall forthwith notify *** of any structural alteration
or any other modification which might affect the Alarm System or the
operation thereof. Any alteration of the Alarm System which may
thereby become necessary shall be made by *** at the Subscriber’s expense."

"No repairs, replacements and adjustments shall be made to the Alarm
System by any person other than a duly authorized representative of ***."

If a contract is voided, neither party has any further responsibility to the other.

Wrong. If the contract is voided by something the customer does (adding
a component such as cellular backup on his own), the company can void
the contract and any monitoring or service charges to the end of the
contract term becomes immediately due and payable. If the customer
doesn't own the equipment in the first place, that means he loses his
alarm system as well.

If it's voided, the
client doesn't have to pay for monitoring and the alarm company doesn't doesn't have to provide monitoring services. Suffice it to
say that no greedy alarm company is gooing to let their vict... er, customers off the hook just because they install their own
cellular backup. As I said earlier, you have no idea what you're talking about.

I figure the individual that has "no idea what he's talking about" is
you. I'd suggest you have another look at that Slomins contract you
"say" you've read.

All except you, Olson. You're a counter clerk at a small distributor.

Prove it Bass. Where do I work? Post the name of my company.

No one *in the trade* anywhere in or around Vancouver ever
heard of you

You know... I've never collected a pay-cheque as "Olson". My license
isn't in that name either. I'm not in the least surprised no one's
heard of me.

with one exception. A woman at one company that you once worked for stated that you had been there but had left.
Asked if you would be eligible for rehire, she said absolutely not.

Now this statement is particularly remarkable. Where did you ever dream
up something like this??!! And who's the "woman at one company"??