Re: Phonetic Alphabet Tables

[Peter Aberrant]

Phonetic Alphabet Tables

Useful for spelling words and names over the phone. cut out the table containing phonetic alphabet (below), and tape it to the side of your phone when you are on the telephone it could be some help. and post it to your electronic email groups

I was inspired to post this page and post it online when I overheard a co-worker say "L, as in Log" over the phone.

normally one would not say V as in victor P as in

Papa, G as in Golf but

Victor Papa, Golf for VPG


NATO Phonetic Alphabet Letter phonetic letter
A Alpha
B Bravo
C Charlie
D Delta
E Echo
F Foxtrot
G Golf
H Hotel
I India
J Juliet
K Kilo
L Lima
M Mike
N November
O Oscar
P Papa
Q Quebec
R Romeo
S Sierra
T Tango
U Uniform
V Victor
W Whiskey
X X-ray
Y Yankee
Z Zulu

 

[Rod Speed]

Phonetic Alphabet Tables

Useful for spelling words and names over the phone.
cut out the table containing phonetic alphabet (below),
and tape it to the side of your phone when you are on
the telephone it could be some help.

Dont need to, its permanently embedded in my head.

and post it to your electronic email groups

No thanks.

I was inspired to post this page and post it online when
I overheard a co-worker say "L, as in Log" over the phone.

The phonetic table was designed to work when the comms
channel is awful. That isnt true with modern phone calls.

The non official approach works fine.

normally one would not say V as in victor P as in
Papa, G as in Golf but Victor Papa, Golf for VPG

The official table does work suprisingly well even
with recipients who have never even heard of it.

 

[WEBPA]

Dont need to, its permanently embedded in my head.


No thanks.


The phonetic table was designed to work when the comms
channel is awful. That isnt true with modern phone calls.

The non official approach works fine.


The official table does work suprisingly well even
with recipients who have never even heard of it.

As it should. It is about the 5th iteration of the "Marconi" (IIRC) table from
the early 1920s. A NATO committee put quite a bit of effort into the current
table in the (? mid-1950s) to produce a set usable in all major alliance
languagues (even French).
It is specifically designed to avoid ambiguous start-mid-end sounds in words
like "log"....dog? hog? bog? lag? gag? ... USW.

If you've never needed to "spell it out" on a cellphone, then you don't use a
cellphone much (on any continent).
webpa

 

[N Cook]

Phonetic Alphabet Tables

Useful for spelling words and names over the phone. cut out the table
containing phonetic alphabet (below), and tape it to the side of your phone
when you are on the telephone it could be some help. and post it to your
electronic email groups

I was inspired to post this page and post it online when I overheard a
co-worker say "L, as in Log" over the phone.

normally one would not say V as in victor P as in

Papa, G as in Golf but

Victor Papa, Golf for VPG


NATO Phonetic Alphabet Letter phonetic letter
A Alpha
B Bravo
C Charlie
D Delta
E Echo
F Foxtrot
G Golf
H Hotel
I India
J Juliet
K Kilo
L Lima
M Mike
N November
O Oscar
P Papa
Q Quebec
R Romeo
S Sierra
T Tango
U Uniform
V Victor
W Whiskey
X X-ray
Y Yankee
Z Zulu

All very good for clarity.
The version you post, i believe is that used internationally by air traffic
control but unfortunately I think there are different flavours, sorry
flavors.
Don't Americans use Radio instead of Romeo and something other than
F-Foxtrot

electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~diverse

 

[Iain Chalmers]

The version you post, i believe is that used internationally by air traffic
control but unfortunately I think there are different flavours, sorry
flavors.

A is fer 'orses
B fer cattle
C fer yourself...

;-)

big (P as in pneumonia, K as in knife, M as in mnemonic, G as in gnome)

 

[Binary Era]

Phonetic Alphabet Tables

Has anyone got a list of the British Able Baker Charlie
Dog.....alphabet?

 

[Brian Reay]

Has anyone got a list of the British Able Baker Charlie
Dog.....alphabet?

Should be able to piece it together with a bit of research. Any RNARS or
Royal Signals members on the group?

I recall when I was first licensed working G3WDR "Woolly Dog Roger", must be
25 years back and it still gives me a laugh.

There is this:
http://www.486th.org/Photos/Letters/phonetic.htm




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[Igor von Uberwald]

Phonetic Alphabet Tables

NATO Phonetic Alphabet Letter phonetic letter

At the risk of being pedantic (won't be too noticeable here, then!) I
shoudl point out that it's the ICAO phonetic alphabet - International
Civil Aviation Organization. http://www.icao.int/

145, Pete/Igor PH1PH - G7ECN

 

[Marty Wallace]

At the risk of being pedantic (won't be too noticeable here, then!) I
shoudl point out that it's the ICAO phonetic alphabet - International
Civil Aviation Organization. http://www.icao.int/

145, Pete/Igor PH1PH - G7ECN

Rubbish.
They don't have ownership of a phonetic alphabet.
And anyway you should know yourself that radio organisations refer to it as
the ITU recommended phonetics. (International Telecommunication Union)

Marty Wallace VK6ABC

 

[Rod Speed]

All very good for clarity.

The version you post, i believe is that used internationally by air traffic control

Used for a hell of a lot more than just that, and its
used much more for national air traffic control too.
That is likely the most commonly used situation today.

but unfortunately I think there are different flavours, sorry flavors.

Nope, its been standardised for a long time now.

Don't Americans use Radio instead of Romeo
and something other than F-Foxtrot

Nope.

A little something to really blow your 'mind'
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

 

[Rod Speed]

N Cook wrote:

Has anyone got a list of the British Able Baker Charlie Dog.....alphabet?

http://www.scphillips.com/morse/index.html?http://www.scphillips.com/morse/alphabet.html
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

 

[Marty]

Phonetic Alphabet Tables

Useful for spelling words and names over the phone. cut out the table
containing phonetic alphabet (below), and tape it to the side of your phone
when you are on the telephone it could be some help. and post it to your
electronic email groups

I was inspired to post this page and post it online when I overheard a
co-worker say "L, as in Log" over the phone.

normally one would not say V as in victor P as in

Papa, G as in Golf but

Victor Papa, Golf for VPG


NATO Phonetic Alphabet Letter phonetic letter
A Alpha
B Bravo
C Charlie
D Delta
E Echo
F Foxtrot
G Golf
H Hotel
I India
J Juliet
K Kilo
L Lima
M Mike
N November
O Oscar
P Papa
Q Quebec
R Romeo
S Sierra
T Tango
U Uniform
V Victor
W Whiskey
X X-ray
Y Yankee
Z Zulu

All very good for clarity.
The version you post, i believe is that used internationally by air traffic
control but unfortunately I think there are different flavours, sorry
flavors.
Don't Americans use Radio instead of Romeo and something other than
F-Foxtrot

The version the OP listed is the accepted international version that should
be used by all radio comms, it's just that some people (yanks and other
cultures as well) adopt their own variations for some reason, probably
because their are too damn lazy to remember the correct version - for
example, though in Australia you need to learn and know the above version to
pass you amateur radio exam, once you have the licence apparently you forget
everything you've learnt and start using your own personal interpretation of
the phonetics.......

At the end of the day, as long as the message gets through OK, who cares if
its Alpha or Apple?????

 

[Geoff]

At the end of the day, as long as the message gets through OK, who
cares if its Alpha or Apple?????

The real point is, that if the correct phoenetics are used, there is a good
chance that somebody who does not speak English, even as a secondary
language, will understand. Using Able, Apple or Archemedies rather than
Alpha will only serve to confuse. That is one of the (few) advantages when
using the Q codes with CW.

YG

 

[Incognito]

Able Baker Charlie Dog.....alphabet was also used by the US Navy prior to
1954 see URL:
http://www.bckelk.uklinux.net/phon.full.html

The above URL has more Phonetic Alphabets than you ever want to know about.

Currently, In the USA, the FCC sez: -- §97.119 Station identification. (2)
By a phone emission in the English language. Use of a standard phonetic
alphabet as an aid for correct station identification is encouraged.
The ARRL sez the recognized standard is the ITU Phonetic Alphabet -- Word
list adopted by the International Telecommunications Union, approved by
NATO, the International Civil Aviation Organization, the FAA, and many
National Amateur Leagues/Societies/Orgs. Adapted about 1955 -- URL:

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/forms/fsd220.html#alphabet

However many DXers use a DXing phonetic alphabet based mostly on country
names but includes "radio"-- Unofficial -- see URL:

http://ac6v.com/dxphonetics.htm

 

[Marty]

The real point is, that if the correct phoenetics are used, there is a good
chance that somebody who does not speak English, even as a secondary
language, will understand. Using Able, Apple or Archemedies rather than
Alpha will only serve to confuse. That is one of the (few) advantages when
using the Q codes with CW.

YG

Granted, but I presume that as I only speak english I will most likely not
be speaking to someone that doesn't speak english at all...... and if I do,
it will probably be a rather one sided conversation and phonetics will most
likely be the least of our translation problems!! ;-)

Still, I am always amazed at the amateur operators that go to the trouble of
learning the phonetic alphabet to pass the test, only to toss it all away
afterward and use their own version. Just hearing the different versions on
air can get rather annoying!!!

 

[jakdedert]

Granted, but I presume that as I only speak english I will most
likely not be speaking to someone that doesn't speak english at
all...... and if I do, it will probably be a rather one sided
conversation and phonetics will most likely be the least of our
translation problems!! ;-)

That's not the point. Non-native English speakers might intepret alternate
english words as the wrong letter. Even though they may 'speak' English,
they still 'think' German, or Russian or whatever. Any student of any
foreign language can tell you that the letters of the alphabet are
pronounced differently than they are in English. For instance, "E" is
pronounced as "ay" in German. Using the standard phonetic alphabet with no
subsitutions ensures that someone using 'alpha' instead of 'able' to a
native German speaker is understood to mean "A" instead of "E".

OT: I once won a game of Trivial Pursuit in German. One of the q's which
put me over the top, translated loosely, was "When would a German use the
words alpha, bravo, charlie, delta etc?" The answer of course was, when
speaking on the radio.

Still, I am always amazed at the amateur operators that go to the
trouble of learning the phonetic alphabet to pass the test, only to
toss it all away afterward and use their own version. Just hearing
the different versions on air can get rather annoying!!!

Maybe that's why they're called 'amateurs.' ;-)

jak

 

[N Cook]

Granted, but I presume that as I only speak english I will most likely not
be speaking to someone that doesn't speak english at all...... and if I do,
it will probably be a rather one sided conversation and phonetics will most
likely be the least of our translation problems!! ;-)

Still, I am always amazed at the amateur operators that go to the trouble of
learning the phonetic alphabet to pass the test, only to toss it all away
afterward and use their own version. Just hearing the different versions on
air can get rather annoying!!!

I am not a radio amateur but I did learn the phonetic alphabet
because I was forever relaying model numbers etc via phone.
I did at one time regularly listen to GB2RS ,IIRC ,sunday mornings
and every week I would find it annoying ,
or at least dstracting, hearing S- for Sugar etc

electronic hints and repair briefs , schematics/manuals list on
http://homepages.tcp.co.uk/~diverse

 

[Binary Era]

Still, I am always amazed at the amateur operators that go to the trouble of
learning the phonetic alphabet to pass the test, only to toss it all away
afterward and use their own version. Just hearing the different versions on
air can get rather annoying!!!

I grew up with Able Baker Charlie Dog when it was a live phonetic
alphabet.

Why should I change just because /you/ want all your toys in line?

 

[Jeff]

Just remember that a lot of these phonetics that annoy you *were the
standard ones* when the operator got their licence!!!

2 Emma Toc

This doesn't apply to M3's of course (;-)

Jeff

 

[Brian Reay]

I grew up with Able Baker Charlie Dog when it was a live phonetic
alphabet.

Why should I change just because /you/ want all your toys in line?

I have to agree with you, I quite like to hear some of the variations in
Phonetic alphabet- they are analogous to the individual 'fist' of the CW
operator. Provided they are not abusive and when required (eg to assist a
foreign amateur) the OP reverts to the ITU standard, I can see no harm.


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Brian
G8OSN
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