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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Rugged. Sure. Titanium shells etc.

Nico said most laptops are 'crappy'.

You've either misread or misunderstood that part. I never stated most
laptops are crappy. I stated -based on experience- that the cheap
consumer grade laptops are crappy and are not suitable for any serious
use. HP, Dell, Sone, Toshiba and other A brands offer both consumer
and professional laptops which are clearly identified as such on their
websites.
 
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Jamie

Jan 1, 1970
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Nico said:
Any manufacturor. This is a well known example from the automobile
industry: Mitsubishi and Hyundai both produced a van with an identical
diesel engine from Mitsibishi. Well, almost identical. The engine for
the Hyundai van (H100) was produced faster with less accuracy and
cheaper components. The Mitsubishi van (L200) used engines which where
produced slower and more accurate with more expensive parts. The end
result: the engine for the Hyundai usually didn't last 100kkm (62k
miles) while the engine used in the Mitsubishi vans easely lasted
300kkm (187k miles). Even though something comes out of the same
factory and looks the same doesn't mean it is the same quality.
Yeah, I know all about that. I owned a Summit Eagle wagon, Made for
Chrysler in the Mitsubishi plant using a Mitsubishi engine but sold
by a GM dealer. That was the agreement the Japs had with them ect..

Mitsubishi also made a wagon of the same exact style, along with the
one Chrysler sold them self's that was made in canada using a canadian
engine.(Colt Vista) or something like that.
The Canadian's engine was garbage and didn't last along with the body
rotting out. The Summit Eagle that I had suffered from bad things like
cheap interior body parts, cheap seat belt system that had to be
replace twice. bearing in the steering post had to be replaced twice due
to a plastic race instead of a metal on. etc....
Then the engine decided to start leaking oil (Head gasket), had that
replaced at 65k, 15k miles later, one day while starting it, it locks up
tight.! broke the starter head off in the fly wheel, they replaced it to
find a binding once in a while, I would noticed that periodically. They
dropped the cover to find a small fracture crack in the crank shaft in
the last bearing going out to the flywheel., after the mechanical looked
it all over which was very knowledgeable with Mitsubishi Engines. He
told me that the crank shaft looked like it came out of the next size
smaller engine that they make, the bearings on the
rods were not made of the usual metal etc....
In other words, it was a cheaply made 1.8 Litter Mitsubishi engine.

P.S.
In the Mitsubishi version of that same wagon, they don't use that
same engine.
how quaint..
I don't blame the Japanese, I blame the American businesses that got the
Japanese to make a cheaper car for them.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Note the "bow wave":
http://www.japannewbie.com/images/journal/gameshow/sonygirls.jpg

I just picked up a cheap Compaq consumer type laptop for a project
where I require a "transportable computer". I didn't really shop much
for it, just dropped into Best Buy an hour before closing.. a few
notes:

- HDD is of pretty decent size (160G), but despite a AMD Turion 64 X2
and 1G the machine is noticably slower than my 3 year old desktop
machine on most stuff.
- Most only come with 1G, which is pretty minimal. Some might
have the ram slots filled with low density modules, so you have
to buy 2G to get anothe 1G
- They all come with Vista only. It's a PITA (a real PITA), but
not quite as disasterous as it first seems.
- This one came with a 15.4" screen like most of the cheapish
ones, and only WXGA resolution, but I don't think my eyes are good
enough anymore for the same resolution on a 12" screen.
- a bit of a 'trick' .. all the machines on display have no
battery but when you get it home you find that the battery adds
almost an inch to the height at the back! (it sticks out so it
tilts the back up to a pleasant angle). So, it doesn't sit flat
in a briefcase. I guess maybe there's more battery life as a result.








Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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joseph2k

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro said:
P.S.

I don't actually presume that at all. I think it's slow because the
HDD is only 5400 RPM, because the video is a cheap-ass integrated
'card' (probably 1/10 the speed of a modest desktop $300 card, let
alone a high end CAD or gaming video) (and I also suspect that 1G RAM
is not optimal). It's still plenty good enough to view EDA and CAD
files and do MS office type stuff. You'd have to be a masochist to
actually try to do any serious design work on a single 15.4" 1280 x
800 screen.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
For what it is worth do not expect XP to be all that much faster on the same
machine. win98 may not even run. Remember the squeaky wheel gets the
grease.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Presumably that's why it's slow.

Why did you buy a PC with Vista ?

Graham

1) Because I needed it immediately.

2) Because the choice was between that and OS/X,
which would probably have been even more of an issue.

I would have rather had XP-pro, for sure.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Presumably that's why it's slow.

P.S.

I don't actually presume that at all. I think it's slow because the
HDD is only 5400 RPM, because the video is a cheap-ass integrated
'card' (probably 1/10 the speed of a modest desktop $300 card, let
alone a high end CAD or gaming video) (and I also suspect that 1G RAM
is not optimal). It's still plenty good enough to view EDA and CAD
files and do MS office type stuff. You'd have to be a masochist to
actually try to do any serious design work on a single 15.4" 1280 x
800 screen.
Why did you buy a PC with Vista ?

Graham


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Jasen

Jan 1, 1970
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Tell me who makes these crappy hard drives, memory, display contollers, LCDS,
CPUs and heck knows what else for the consumer market ?

dell, lenovo, toshiba ... most brands.
Where can I buy them ?

open the paper (or intarweb) see who's advertising the cheapest laptops.
Why would I want to ?

the cheapest laptops, not recommended.

Bye.
Jasen
 
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Jasen

Jan 1, 1970
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So, does Hitachi for example have a 'crappy' range of hard drives that are
cheaper than their others ?

many brands do.
And how does one get a 'crappy' Intel or AMD CPU ?

buy a cheap one and overclock it.

Bye.
Jasen
 
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Glen Walpert

Jan 1, 1970
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In consumer grade equipment usually the hardware is cheap and crappy.
Bad design practise of critical components like the motherboard result
in timing errors and thermal problems (crashes / strange behaviour).
Also a lot of stuff is handled by the CPU which makes the system
slower than it ought to be. Support is lacking and drivers are hardly
tested.

A year or two ago a signal integrity engineer at a major computer mfgr
(sorry forget which one) reported on the SI list that management
complained about the high cost of producing servers compared to
desktop computers - more design time, more motherboard layers, higher
parts count etc. So they put a bunch of their high-end desktop
computers in the server test chamber, where they are expected to run
server type data transfer tests continuosly for months while the
temperature is cycled, with no errors. All of the desktop machines
blue-screened within an hour, even before any temp cycle was started.
That was the end of the "make the servers cheaper" whining.

Consumer grade stuff is of course even worse.
 
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SP

Jan 1, 1970
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Why did you buy a PC with Vista ?

Graham

I wonder. Anyone know why searchfilterhost.exe would be wanting to
call out to Microsoft all the time? AFAIUI that's supposed to be
indexing all the stuff on my machine, not calling the mother ship...

Best regards
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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SP said:
I wonder. Anyone know why searchfilterhost.exe would be wanting to
call out to Microsoft all the time? AFAIUI that's supposed to be
indexing all the stuff on my machine, not calling the mother ship...

In another place, discussing Vista, I read it comes with a 'XP downgrade
license'. Maybe not with an OEM version but it might be worth checking.

Graham
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
I'm pondering purchasing a new laptop... my old Vaio is absolutely
ancient, heavy, and slow (800MHz).

Specifically I'm looking at the ThinkPad X61s notebook.

Anyone experienced with this product?

Alternates?
I bought a System76 Gazelle as part of my Big Linux Experiment. I'm
loving it so far (but then, I haven't tried running any Windows apps yet).

Oh, you probably didn't mean _that_ alternate, did you?

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Do you need to implement control loops in software?
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says.
See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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I bought a System76 Gazelle as part of my Big Linux Experiment. I'm
loving it so far (but then, I haven't tried running any Windows apps yet).

Oh, you probably didn't mean _that_ alternate, did you?

I've ordered a ThinkPad X61s.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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What operating system? I wanna see how Vista does on simulations.

Charlie Edmondson was unsure about PSpice and Vista, so I ordered it
with XP Pro.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Smart move, IMHO.

Nice and portable. I'll be interested to see how you do with the 12"
screen.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

When it's home on the KVM that won't be a problem. Traveling I tend
to use the client's conference room projector to demonstrate things.

With today's airline seat spacing I can't even open my Vaio anymore
:-(

So we'll see how I can do with a 12" screen.

...Jim Thompson
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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Charlie Edmondson was unsure about PSpice and Vista, so I ordered it
with XP Pro.

...Jim Thompson

Smart move, IMHO.

Nice and portable. I'll be interested to see how you do with the 12"
screen.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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