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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm looking for advice for a packaged home alarm system. Would like advice
for vendors, what I need to buy and what to avoid and advice on how to deak
with vendors, eg what I nned to ask them and specify in a contract.

Thanks

Mike
 
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Frank Olson

Jan 1, 1970
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Mike said:
I'm looking for advice for a packaged home alarm system. Would like advice
for vendors, what I need to buy and what to avoid and advice on how to deak
with vendors, eg what I nned to ask them and specify in a contract.

Thanks

Mike


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ask questions. Most here don't have an "agenda" but sometimes you gotta
dig for those diamonds... :)
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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You as the buyer will most likely not be specifying anything in a contract.




| I'm looking for advice for a packaged home alarm system. Would like
advice
| for vendors, what I need to buy and what to avoid and advice on how to
deak
| with vendors, eg what I nned to ask them and specify in a contract.
|
| Thanks
|
| Mike
|
|
 
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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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Is there anything I should look out for in a contract?

Mike
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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There are a couple of things to watch out for; however, first you have to
understand how contracts are used in our industry. Long term contracts add a
measure of equity for the alarm company should they decide to sell their
accounts to someone else, so most companies will lock you in for the longest
term acceptable in your local market. They also allow the company to
advertise lower up front costs by amortizing part of the price of the
equipment in the monthly monitoring costs. All other things being equal, the
shortest contract term possible is generally the best way to buy for the
shopping consumer, since a long term contract will limit your ability to
shop elsewhere if your providers service deteriorates or you should decide
to move to a new premises etc (or for any number of other legitimate reasons
why you might no longer need the alarm monitored). With few exceptions, long
term contracts do nothing for you the consumer !!

That being said, regardless of the length of the term, try to avoid signing
a long term contract that has an automatic renewal term that is in excess of
a year. Read the fine print; some contracts will dictate that the original
renewal term will automatically be in force once again if they don't receive
written notice from you the consumer that you don't want to renew , some
times as much as three months in advance of the renewal date. The other
clause is a "cost of living" increase clause which allows the company to
annually raise the monthly amount, leaving you few options should you
object.

Remember, a contract is a legal document and you may well be held to it
after you sign it, so read and understand what you are signing. Always
calculate your total five year costs up front when comparing quotations from
various companies, including warranty and service costs which often don't
show up in their original quotes. Remember, there is no such thing as a
"free system"; you pay the piper up front, or as part of the ongoing monthly
costs !!

There is more information on my website on pages entitled, "how to shop",
"contracts", and "faq"

Good luck...

R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
www.homemetal.com


Mike said:
Is there anything I should look out for in a contract?

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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Initial term of the contract should be something reasonable..2-3 years is
common...anything more as an initial term is kinda ridiculous. Most
contracts auto-renew yearly on the anniversary date of the signing, this
usually tied to your procedure on canceling monitoring should you decide to
cancel after the initial term...read what the notification time is...usually
30 days prior. Some states have restricitons on auto-renewal clauses.

What is their policy if you move before the initial term is expired?

Read the fine print. Do you own all of the equipment once you have paid them
for the installation - not completion of the initial term of the contract?
Make sure what you are buying is not actually a hidden leased system.

Is the equipment proprietary? < Stay away from this, because if you're not
happy and you cancel and the equipment is proprietary like one big alarmco's
is...you endup throwing it away.

However, all that being said..you are really buying a relationship. Do you
like the guy? Did you get good recommendations from other people? Do they
seem like a company you can deal with?

BTW, contacts don't have to be inforced. I let people slide all the
time...sometimes you have to, sometimes it just the right thing to do (not
enforce a clause) to keep a client happy. I DO enforce contracts when
someone hasn't paid me for a zillion months - thats fair I should think :)


| Is there anything I should look out for in a contract?
|
| Mike
|
| | > You as the buyer will most likely not be specifying anything in a
| > contract.
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | > | I'm looking for advice for a packaged home alarm system. Would like
| > advice
| > | for vendors, what I need to buy and what to avoid and advice on how to
| > deak
| > | with vendors, eg what I nned to ask them and specify in a contract.
| > |
| > | Thanks
| > |
| > | Mike
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
 
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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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Much thanks for your useful information. I wouldn't have considered many of
the items you mentiuoned in your post.
I'm starting to feel like an informed consumer. I attempted to contact a
local installer who installed a wired system,
Solmon's Shield(sp?) for a neighbor, but he sold out to one of the large
security companies. I then Called Brink's Security
who told me I should buy their motion sensor system with door alarms for
$300.00 + and a $28.xx monthly fee.
My house is a end of group rowhouse with a walk out basement. I don't
believe the motion sensor is going to cut it.
I believe I need alarms in the basement and on the second floor.

Mike
 
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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks for you very helpful post. I learned a lot about contracts.. Will
check out you website.

Mike
 
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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell said:
There are a couple of things to watch out for; however, first you have to
understand how contracts are used in our industry. Long term contracts add
a measure of equity for the alarm company should they decide to sell their
accounts to someone else, so most companies will lock you in for the
longest term acceptable in your local market. They also allow the company
to advertise lower up front costs by amortizing part of the price of the
equipment in the monthly monitoring costs. All other things being equal,
the shortest contract term possible is generally the best way to buy for
the shopping consumer, since a long term contract will limit your ability
to shop elsewhere if your providers service deteriorates or you should
decide to move to a new premises etc (or for any number of other
legitimate reasons why you might no longer need the alarm monitored). With
few exceptions, long term contracts do nothing for you the consumer !!

That being said, regardless of the length of the term, try to avoid
signing a long term contract that has an automatic renewal term that is in
excess of a year. Read the fine print; some contracts will dictate that
the original renewal term will automatically be in force once again if
they don't receive written notice from you the consumer that you don't
want to renew , some times as much as three months in advance of the
renewal date. The other clause is a "cost of living" increase clause which
allows the company to annually raise the monthly amount, leaving you few
options should you object.

Remember, a contract is a legal document and you may well be held to it
after you sign it, so read and understand what you are signing. Always
calculate your total five year costs up front when comparing quotations
from various companies, including warranty and service costs which often
don't show up in their original quotes. Remember, there is no such thing
as a "free system"; you pay the piper up front, or as part of the ongoing
monthly costs !!

There is more information on my website on pages entitled, "how to shop",
"contracts", and "faq"

Good luck...

R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
www.homemetal.com

Learned a lot reading/browsing you website. Too bad you're not located in
the midatlantic region, US.

Mike
 
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Crash Gordon

Jan 1, 1970
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Brinks uses proprietary equipment, you might want to double think that
choice.

Personally I'd go with a smaller company...one where your money is literally
putting bread on the owner's table...much more likely to get better service.
Unless, of course, the owner is a grouchy old fart like me:)


| Much thanks for your useful information. I wouldn't have considered many
of
| the items you mentiuoned in your post.
| I'm starting to feel like an informed consumer. I attempted to contact a
| local installer who installed a wired system,
| Solmon's Shield(sp?) for a neighbor, but he sold out to one of the large
| security companies. I then Called Brink's Security
| who told me I should buy their motion sensor system with door alarms for
| $300.00 + and a $28.xx monthly fee.
| My house is a end of group rowhouse with a walk out basement. I don't
| believe the motion sensor is going to cut it.
| I believe I need alarms in the basement and on the second floor.
|
| Mike
|
| | > Initial term of the contract should be something reasonable..2-3 years
is
| > common...anything more as an initial term is kinda ridiculous. Most
| > contracts auto-renew yearly on the anniversary date of the signing, this
| > usually tied to your procedure on canceling monitoring should you decide
| > to
| > cancel after the initial term...read what the notification time
| > is...usually
| > 30 days prior. Some states have restricitons on auto-renewal clauses.
| >
| > What is their policy if you move before the initial term is expired?
| >
| > Read the fine print. Do you own all of the equipment once you have paid
| > them
| > for the installation - not completion of the initial term of the
contract?
| > Make sure what you are buying is not actually a hidden leased system.
| >
| > Is the equipment proprietary? < Stay away from this, because if you're
not
| > happy and you cancel and the equipment is proprietary like one big
| > alarmco's
| > is...you endup throwing it away.
| >
| > However, all that being said..you are really buying a relationship. Do
you
| > like the guy? Did you get good recommendations from other people? Do
they
| > seem like a company you can deal with?
| >
| > BTW, contacts don't have to be inforced. I let people slide all the
| > time...sometimes you have to, sometimes it just the right thing to do
(not
| > enforce a clause) to keep a client happy. I DO enforce contracts when
| > someone hasn't paid me for a zillion months - thats fair I should think
| > :)
| >
| >
| > | > | Is there anything I should look out for in a contract?
| > |
| > | Mike
| > |
| > | | > | > You as the buyer will most likely not be specifying anything in a
| > | > contract.
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | >
| > | > | > | > | I'm looking for advice for a packaged home alarm system. Would
like
| > | > advice
| > | > | for vendors, what I need to buy and what to avoid and advice on
how
| > to
| > | > deak
| > | > | with vendors, eg what I nned to ask them and specify in a
contract.
| > | > |
| > | > | Thanks
| > | > |
| > | > | Mike
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| >
| >
|
|
|
 
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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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I'd like to get a list of local companies from satisified users. will check
to see what my neighbors have.

Mike
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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Good Mike...glad you did ! That's why I put it up there! It rubs some in the
industry the wrong way, but the idea was to say it like it is (or at least
the way I see it after 12 years in the business ).

Good luck in your shopping.....

RHC

Mike said:
Learned a lot reading/browsing you website. Too bad you're not located in
the midatlantic region, US.

Mike


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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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RHC, if every business had a website like yours there would be lot of
satisfied enlightened consumers out there.

Mike
 
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Robert L Bass

Jan 1, 1970
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Brinks uses proprietary equipment...

Correct. Allow me to elaborate on what Crash said. By using
proprietary equipment Brinks makes it impossible for you to ever
switch to a different provider when (not if) you become disgusted
with their service and angry over excessive charges for routine
service.

Not only can you not have the Brinks system monitored by anyone
other than Brinks. No one can repair it when (not if) it breaks
down.

Lastly, and this is something the Brinks salesmen almost never
tell anyone during the con... er, sales call, when you decide to
stop paying for monitoring Brinks will not allow you to change
the system to a local only (non-monitored) system. If you don't
keep paying for it from now until Jesus comes back, you're
totally jiminexed.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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I guess it's fair to say a couple of things at the risk of perhaps appearing
to blow my own horn !! Firstly, not everybody in our industry would agree
with a lot of what I say; in fact, many take strong exception to parts of it
since some flys in the face of standard industry practices. However, that's
ok too, since the site was geared towards the consumers perspective, and not
the industry's perspective. I figure our industry can look after itself;
it's the buying consumer that could use a little help !

Second, in any industry on any product or service, far too many websites
only give potential clients little more than an advertisement that says
"call me for more information", and sometimes not even a basic idea of their
pricing. Consumers today are literally bombarded with one sided information
which basically screams "buy me, buy me", and they tend to get very jaded. I
believe most companies could gain a real toehold over their competition if
they simply put themselves in the consumer's shoes and give them the
information they need and want in order to make an informed decision. It's
one thing to "put your best foot forward" in your presentation; it's quite
another to do so without giving the potential client ALL the facts (even
when they don't show you necessarily in the best light.....).

I must admit, I do get a great deal of business locally from this site. I
honestly never intended it to be a sales tool at all, but it has turned out
that way unexpectedly, and especially more so as it has evolved over the
years to include my detailed pricing. Like everything in business should, it
has turned out to be a "win win" situation for me (and I'd like to think,
for those customers that come to me off the site).

I appreciate your kind words, and I hope the information put you in a better
position to make the best choice FOR YOU !!

Cheers and good luck whoever you eventually decide to deal with !!

RHC
 
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holger

Jan 1, 1970
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Try calling three 'local' alarm companies that make their everyday living on
security. You may find that you can get better service and maybe someone who
knows what they are really doing.

I got feedback recently from a new customer that called the "B" company and
the "S" company. One didn't even look around, and the other was nasty! I
hope they keep it up. I get more work with this type of competition.

<H>
 
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Mike

Jan 1, 1970
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This is turning into a frustrating experience. I'm learning a lot about
what I need to buy and what to avoid.
However, besides the A, B and S companies I don't know who to call. This
evening I was talking to a friend
who bought the Slomon Shield system. After reviewing the contract she
states she bought the equipment (hard wired windows, doors, panic pad in the
bedroom, etc) out front and signed a contract for twelve months monitoring
at $60.00 per quarter. The guy who installed it sold out to Security
Associates, Hunt Vally, MD. Any recomendations for security companies in
the central Maryland area?

Mike
 
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Jim

Jan 1, 1970
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R.H.Campbell said:
I guess it's fair to say a couple of things at the risk of perhaps appearing
to blow my own horn !! Firstly, not everybody in our industry would agree
with a lot of what I say; in fact, many take strong exception to parts of it
since some flys in the face of standard industry practices. However, that's
ok too, since the site was geared towards the consumers perspective, and not
the industry's perspective. I figure our industry can look after itself;
it's the buying consumer that could use a little help !

<Snip>

Actually Mike, what you have here in Mr Campbell, is one of two people
in this group who have decided to pick apart the industry that they're
in, by telling half truths or giving incomplete information, in order
to generate sales for themselves with total and compelete disregard for
anyone else in the industry. There's always that few who will, at any
cost, try to appear as the "white knight" to people, for some obscure
reason. Most here in this group have grown quite tired of having to
constantly contradict what these two say and do, to make themselves
"stand out" from the crowd. To be fair, some of what Mr Campbell says
has value but he apparently just feel compelled to take it that one
step further, to make the rest of the industry and their competition
seem as if they're cheating the public. Both of these people have
repeatedly referred to "other" dealers as cheats, liars, crooks,
unethical, and so on ....... without any explanation or separation,
simply because they practice capitalism. That is ...... they're seeking
the best ways to provide customers with the services they require,
while they make as much profit as the market will bear. Competition is
competition, and surely, anyone is free to run their business in any
manner they choose in order to succeed. Where the unprofessionalism
comes into the issue, is when accusations of unpricipaled motives of
their competition becomes one of their selling tools.

Take the issure of contracts that you seem to think you understand but
only because you've only heard one side of the story. If you'll look
back in this thread, you'll find that someone had mentioned a reason
that alarm companies will seek long term contracts ....... but I'll
take a guess that you didn't totaly pick up on the true meaning and
effect of it.

The fact is, that the revenue that is received from contracts by alarm
companies is the greatest part of the value of the company. Alarm
companies can get loans against the contracts to further their
business. They, can sell the contracts for fairly nice sums, should
they require revene to expand or if they decide to retire. And surely
the profit allows them to cultivate their business to foster growth by
offering lower prices for installations. Whereas, typically most other
types of home improvement companys can only claim work in progress
income and "good will", as the value of their company. Does an
agreement do anything for the end user? Well is should, but certainly
it's important for you to read it and make sure. The one most important
thing my agreements do, is to hold the price of monitoring for my
clients, for the term of the agreement. But turning over lockout codes,
warrantees, and saying what both my clients and I will and wont be
responsible for, are valuable to both parties.

In Mr Campbells case, he only gives his clients a month to month
contract. So in effect, he could raise his price at any time. Also, he
has no equity value in his company whatsoever. In the realm of the
alarm installation and monitoring industy, his company is worth zilch
and he can only offer and sell it to someone that he "knows" will buy
it for "top dollar" ..... he says. We kind of believe here, that we'll
believe it when we see it, as the starting standard in the industry,
for any investor or purchaser of an alarm company is ........ how many
contracts and what are their terms. How else could a prospective
purchaser buy accounts without any "paper" to assure a long term return
on his investement?

Another factor in Mr Campbells decision to follow this path, is that
he's already got a healthy income from other sources, so that building
equity in *HIS* company isn't important to him. These are also the same
reasons why he can afford to give free lifetime service and parts. I
mean certainly, we'd all like to be in Mr Campbells position to not
have to run our business in the most profitable and equitable way
....... and we'd certainly like to be one of the benefactors of his
policy ...... his customers. However, I doubt that many would use it as
an avenue to depreciate all other alarm companies. Obviously, he's free
to use his good fortune to his advantage but ...... again, belittling
other alarm companys under the guise of being a champion of truth
justice and the American way, is rather ...... shall we say ..... less
than honorable. But, I guess, with out a full explanation, it's nice to
appear have the attributes of Abe Lincoln, St George the Dragon Slayer,
Mr Clean, and the White Knight, all in one ...... to people such as
yourself.

In effect, from the point of view of 99.9 % of other alarm companies,
what Mr Campbell is doing, is giving away a little piece of his
company, to every client he aquires. And without any explanation to
people like you, he espouses his no contract policy, as being the high
road and portrays all others, who seek long term contracts, as out to
bilk the public.

In reality, you will find out that as you do your due diligence search,
you most assuredly will not find anyone that will offer you less than a
one year agreement. You SHOULD, read the agreements closely. Ownership
of the equipment, renewal terms, limitations and requirements; leasing
versus purchase. Lock out codes being provided should you cancel upon
temination of the agreements ...... and more ...... are all legitimate
concerns you should be aware of.

So you see, things are not always as they appear.

By the way, beware of someone who doesn't offer you ANY agreement.
Minimally, the agreements protect the alarm companies from being sued
by you or your insurance company, should you suffer a loss. Alarm
systems detect ..... they don't "protect"
......... in spite of what your insurance company thinks. Just because
you have an alarm system doesn't mean you wont suffer a loss. Alarm
companys are not insurers and are not liable for your losses .
 
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R.H.Campbell

Jan 1, 1970
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As I said, there are those who don't agree with what I say, some quite
strongly. This can also reflect itself in an obsession in continuing the
status quo, since it assuredly is in their own best interests to do so.
However, pay no mind to this; shop for the best deal for you. Monthly
contracts have significant value and equity in spite of what this poster
indicates, and there are quite a number of companies who deal this way,
albeit perhaps harder to find in the market. Nor should you as the customer
ever have to sign a long term contract that doesn't do anything for YOU if
it is not in YOUR best interests!!

However, far more important is that you find a reliable dealer who can give
you a total overall package which first and foremost provides you a
comprehensive security package at a price you want to pay - with or without
a long term committment on your part !

Good luck again.....

RHC



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