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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm pondering purchasing a new laptop... my old Vaio is absolutely
ancient, heavy, and slow (800MHz).

Specifically I'm looking at the ThinkPad X61s notebook.

Anyone experienced with this product?

Alternates?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim said:
I'm pondering purchasing a new laptop... my old Vaio is absolutely
ancient, heavy, and slow (800MHz).

Specifically I'm looking at the ThinkPad X61s notebook.

Anyone experienced with this product?

Sorry, I am not. Just used a new Lenovo at a client which is ok but the
plastic case appears too flimsy for my taste.

Alternates?

I've got the predecessor (D14RA) of this one:
http://usa.twinhead.com/PRO/D14RY/

Absolutely love it, so far. But it is certainly not light and it may not
have enough horsepower for what you need. Although mine finished every
compile run about 30% faster than all the others during a Cypress
session. What I really liked was that it came with some non-announced
goodies such as an RS232 port.
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm pondering purchasing a new laptop... my old Vaio is absolutely
ancient, heavy, and slow (800MHz).

Specifically I'm looking at the ThinkPad X61s notebook.

Anyone experienced with this product?

Alternates?

A new Vaio!

John
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Do they come in a light-weight version?

...Jim Thompson

Mine is the midweight version, about 4 pounds, but it has a 4+ hour
battery life, enough to watch a DVD and get some work done on a plane.
I got it a couple years ago for about $1400, but they're cheaper and
have bigger screens now. They have a really light version, but it's
more expensive.

John
 
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Rich Webb

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm pondering purchasing a new laptop... my old Vaio is absolutely
ancient, heavy, and slow (800MHz).

Specifically I'm looking at the ThinkPad X61s notebook.

Anyone experienced with this product?

Alternates?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=nc6320&x=0&y=0

HP's nc6320 series is still available at NewEgg with XP Pro. Not as
petite as a Vaio but shouldn't make your arm grow longer with carrying
it, either. A possible plus is that they include actual "legacy"
parallel and serial ports in addition to the newer stuff like WiFi,
Bluetooth, USB, Firewire, etc.

This may be about the end of that model series; used to be several
more on the higher- and lower-end. If you'd prefer an XP machine,
you'd better hustle.
 
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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson said:
I'm pondering purchasing a new laptop... my old Vaio is absolutely
ancient, heavy, and slow (800MHz).

Specifically I'm looking at the ThinkPad X61s notebook.

Whatever you buy, buy something that is being advertised as 'for
professional/business use'. Computers come in two grades: el-cheapo
consumer grade and professional/business grade. If you want a computer
that doesn't crash all the time, pay more and get the professional
version.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Nico said:
Whatever you buy, buy something that is being advertised as 'for
professional/business use'. Computers come in two grades: el-cheapo
consumer grade and professional/business grade. If you want a computer
that doesn't crash all the time, pay more and get the professional
version.

Would you care to elaborate on that ?

Just which components are different and what differences do they make ?

Graham
 
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JackShephard

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm pondering purchasing a new laptop... my old Vaio is absolutely
ancient, heavy, and slow (800MHz).

Specifically I'm looking at the ThinkPad X61s notebook.

Anyone experienced with this product?

Alternates?

Thanks!

...Jim Thompson


Factory floor, engineering test lab perspective... get a tablet PC with
a touch screen input capacity.

Business, sales, design engineering... get a wide screen wi fi/
blutooth capable CAD station type laptop.
 
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JackShephard

Jan 1, 1970
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Do they come in a light-weight version?

...Jim Thompson

Things are actually getting bigger and heavier as screen sizes get
larger.
 
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JackShephard

Jan 1, 1970
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Would you care to elaborate on that ?

Just which components are different and what differences do they make ?

Graham


Yes... I too think he is full of shit.

He could be thinking of one brand, but most makers make one line of
gear for any given form factor, mini, notebook, laptop, etc.
 
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Chris Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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There is definitely a wide variation in the quality (cost / reliability
trade-off) between different laptops. I don't know the best way to
identify the good ones prior to purchase.
Would you care to elaborate on that ?

Just which components are different and what differences do they make ?

Graham


Batteries for one thing - Mine has a battery pack that is supposed to have 8
cells in it, but actually it is the "consumer" version that has six real
cells and two plastic cylinders that have no electrical function but look
approximately like lithium cells. Of course to get the same power out of
the battery, the cells get run at higher current and will fail when the
series resistance reaches a lower value that wouldn't have stopped the
8-cell version from working.

If you will use the laptop for long periods in a place where AC power is
available then I strongly recommend getting a laptop which will run off the
AC adapter with no battery fitted and which allows the battery to be
removed easily (mine requires a screwdriver). If you take out the battery
then you can avoid cooking the battery at 50 degrees C (which is the
temperature reported by my hard drive if I take the home made fan tray out
from under my laptop.) My battery pack is dead now but I don't feel like
paying another hundred pounds ($200) for a new pack that won't get used
many times and will get killed by the heat in another year or so. I'd
rather get / build a 12V to 20V inverter and run the thing off a lead acid
battery - much cheaper and won't get cooked.

Chris
 
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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Would you care to elaborate on that ?

Just which components are different and what differences do they make ?

In consumer grade equipment usually the hardware is cheap and crappy.
Bad design practise of critical components like the motherboard result
in timing errors and thermal problems (crashes / strange behaviour).
Also a lot of stuff is handled by the CPU which makes the system
slower than it ought to be. Support is lacking and drivers are hardly
tested.
 
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qrk

Jan 1, 1970
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Would you care to elaborate on that ?

Just which components are different and what differences do they make ?

Graham

The guys I worked with always found the IBM laptops to be more rugged
than other brands. These are folks who spend 25%+ of a year on travel
to unpleasant places on the globe.
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Nico said:
In consumer grade equipment usually the hardware is cheap and crappy.

Tell me who makes these crappy hard drives, memory, display contollers, LCDS,
CPUs and heck knows what else for the consumer market ?

Where can I buy them ?

Why would I want to ?

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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qrk said:
The guys I worked with always found the IBM laptops to be more rugged
than other brands. These are folks who spend 25%+ of a year on travel
to unpleasant places on the globe.

Rugged. Sure. Titanium shells etc.

Nico said most laptops are 'crappy'.

So, does Hitachi for example have a 'crappy' range of hard drives that are
cheaper than their others ? And how does one get a 'crappy' Intel or AMD CPU ?
Is someone selling them out the back door ?

Graham
 
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Nico Coesel

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Tell me who makes these crappy hard drives, memory, display contollers, LCDS,
CPUs and heck knows what else for the consumer market ?

Any manufacturor. This is a well known example from the automobile
industry: Mitsubishi and Hyundai both produced a van with an identical
diesel engine from Mitsibishi. Well, almost identical. The engine for
the Hyundai van (H100) was produced faster with less accuracy and
cheaper components. The Mitsubishi van (L200) used engines which where
produced slower and more accurate with more expensive parts. The end
result: the engine for the Hyundai usually didn't last 100kkm (62k
miles) while the engine used in the Mitsubishi vans easely lasted
300kkm (187k miles). Even though something comes out of the same
factory and looks the same doesn't mean it is the same quality.

It is like electronic components rated for commercial and industrial
temperature range. The design is the same, the die is the same, the
factory is the same, the packaging is the same and still the quality
(MTBF) is different.
Where can I buy them ?

Any computer shop around the corner.
Why would I want to ?

To 'save' money (NOT!). When I was still studying I made quite a lot
of money by taking the crappy parts out of people's computer and
replacing them with proper hardware in order to get a stable computer
system.
 
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