OT: Hacking a turntable (think: vinyl)

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Progressive means going forward. For some people change is difficult
to accept. You have to admit though that a car is much better than a
horse + carriage. And a house beats living in a cave hands down. Going
forward is the only way to stay in the game.
Bullshit.


So your 'believes' are preventing you from living a normal live?

My "believes" include not supporting entities who are actively and openly
working against my interests, when at all possible. Nothing immoral about
that. My "live" is just fine without either B&J or G. Clooney, or GE.

You sound even more ridiculous than a fanatic Muslim!

Spoken like a normal leftist moron.

 

[tm]

their actions are far more REGRESSIVE that moving "forward".
the current economic problems in Europe AND America are fine examples of
that regression.

I have principles. you should try having some,"Nico".
IMO,it's stupid to channel my money to those who would use it to further
ruin America with their socialism,and make me suffer.

the Communists of the USSR called themselves "progressives",the communists
of Red China call themselves "progressives",communists of Central and
South
America call themselves "progressives".Communists worldwide call
themselves
"progressives".
(but their actions are far more REGRESSIVE than moving "forward".)
So,"progressive" DOES equal socialist/communist.
socialism is the first,necessary step to communism.
But people make too much about minor differences in definitions,when
essentially and practically speaking,socialism IS communism.

"Progressive" is just a marketing term adopted by the socialist. Socialism
has never worked anywhere so the name needed to be changed. As you say, it
really is regressive-ism. Just look at the democratic (socialist) inner
cities for the perfect example.

 

[Nico Coesel]

their actions are far more REGRESSIVE that moving "forward".
the current economic problems in Europe AND America are fine examples of
that regression.

I have principles. you should try having some,"Nico".

I have no principles. Principles are a form of masochism and short
sightedness. I judge every situation by its merits.

IMO,it's stupid to channel my money to those who would use it to further
ruin America with their socialism,and make me suffer.

Capitalism has ruined the US pretty well. The past few years have made
that very clear. Now you have to pay for the money you got for 'free'
it suddenly is a socialist problem?

Besides what is against the good Christian value of helping other
people? Ofcourse by your own definition that is communism.

the Communists of the USSR called themselves "progressives",the communists
of Red China call themselves "progressives",communists of Central and South
America call themselves "progressives".Communists worldwide call themselves
"progressives".
(but their actions are far more REGRESSIVE than moving "forward".)
So,"progressive" DOES equal socialist/communist.
socialism is the first,necessary step to communism.
But people make too much about minor differences in definitions,when
essentially and practically speaking,socialism IS communism.

ROTFLMAO! I really can't believe how people from the US allow
themselves to be such a bunch of conformable gullible suckers that
believe everything they hear on TV. Hoover did a damn good job putting
fear in peoples mind.

Now take this video for example:

Now ask yourself why a Dutch politician is going to the US to promote
his book(*)? The answer: Over here they would invite someone else who
knows what he is talking about or the interviewer asks too many
difficult questions. Over here we have better balanced journalism so
people can think and decide for themselves. In the US there is no such
thing as journalism, its all nut-wing propaganda!

(*)He didn't even bother to write a Dutch version!

 

[WoolyBully]

Bullshit.

Yeah! KRW here has been doing fine as a total fucking retard for
decades!


Your remarks:

Progressive: Not

Retarded: Yes.

SO, just where is the bullshit? Was it you who brought it?

 

[Roberto Waltman]

I've been sorting out my old vinyl in preparation for
transcribing it to digital media. LP's and 45's are
easy to deal with. But, I have many 78's that I
simply can't "play" (unless I find a PoS "record player"
somewhere).

I was thinking of repurposing a Beogram 8000 to
support the 78's -- either hacking the controller
or "tricking" it ...

...I'm not keen on determining this empirically as I
don't want to risk unnecessary wear on the media
*or* the stylus.

Suggestions?

Go optical young man, go optical.

Start here: http://irene.lbl.gov/

 

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Yeah! KRW here has been doing fine as a total fucking retard for
decades!

AlwaysWrong is forever.

Your remarks:

Progressive: Not

Retarded: Yes.

SO, just where is the bullshit? Was it you who brought it?

"Progressive means going forward." "Progressives" are nothing of the kind,
AlwaysAnIdiot.

 

[Don Y]

Hi Les,

Don Y wrote:

Ask on rec.audio.pro.

Given the range of (mostly negative) comments, here, I
suspect that would just confirm these issues. *Or*, result
in "unverified suggestions" ("you might try...") for which
I'm not willing to play guinea pig! :<

I'll chalk this one up as something best "farmed out" and
donate the Beogram 8000 to a local thrift store/nonprofit.

Thx!

 

[Don Y]

Hi Roberto,

Go optical young man, go optical.

Start here: http://irene.lbl.gov/

<grin> Yeah, seems like the "right" way to do it -- if the
folks with the technology truly understand the recording
and playback processes *intended* in the media's design.

I'm just not keen on spending the time that is probably
required to learn and chase down the required tools.
If it had been something simple/trivial (effectively
pitch compensation in post processing), that's one thing;
beyond that it starts to become a "project" :-/

 

[josephkk]

Hi,

I've been sorting out my old vinyl in preparation for
transcribing it to digital media. LP's and 45's are
easy to deal with. But, I have many 78's that I
simply can't "play" (unless I find a PoS "record player"
somewhere).

I was thinking of repurposing a Beogram 8000 to
support the 78's -- either hacking the controller
or "tricking" it (imposing a frequency multiplier
in the feedback circuit to make it think it is
running at a different speed).

Of course, I have no idea how the mechanism would
behave at that speed. Nor the cartridge, tracking
mechanism, etc.

Before *mangling* what is otherwise a decent turntable,
I wondered if just *playing* the records at, e.g., 45
and post-processing the resulting audio *digitally*
might give me "as good" results?

As above, there are similar issues with operating the
mechanism at 45 while the medium was intended for 78.
For example, the stylus/cartridge's low frequency response
gets taxed more heavily.

I'm not keen on determining this empirically as I
don't want to risk unnecessary wear on the media
*or* the stylus.

Suggestions?

Well, i suggest buying an appropriate new turntable and cartrige/stylus.
The stylus is one of the most important changes, as there dimensional and
functional differences in 78s versus other formats. I have a three speed
turntable with a different cartrige/stylus for 78s. The TT is an
AudioTechnica and the cartridges and styli are Stanton. I will get you
the model numbers if you want. Or maybe send you a photo.

?-)

 

[Les Cargill]

Hi Les,



Given the range of (mostly negative) comments, here, I
suspect that would just confirm these issues. *Or*, result
in "unverified suggestions" ("you might try...") for which
I'm not willing to play guinea pig! :<

You'll find people there who've done it. But it probably
means buying stuff, and some of them are either pro
or semipro archivists.

Just thinking it might be a place to find out just
how big the bear you're chasing is...

 

[Don Y]

Hi Les,

You'll find people there who've done it. But it probably
means buying stuff, and some of them are either pro
or semipro archivists.

Just thinking it might be a place to find out just
how big the bear you're chasing is...

Understood. I'll look through the group's archives and
see just how "obsessive" these folks are... :> By far,
I am more interested in my LP's than the 78's (at least
in terms of quality). So, if they've a simple/straightforward
approach to tackle *both* it would be a real win!

 

[Fred Abse]

why not use the preamp in a standard stereo amp, no work needed.

'cos I don't have one, anymore.

 

[Fred Abse]

Same here. Also mostly classical. But I _do_ have a turntable... I
just haven't gotten to the task

I, too have a turntable. I've even got spare styli and belts. I just need
to get the couple of millivolts it generates up to something a sound card
will hear. My amplifier died, years ago, and got tossed on a move.

I guess some of my vinyl is collectible. Things like the original Decca
box set of Wagner's "Ring", by the Vienna Phil. Some Fürtwängler stuff,
including a reissued wartime recording of "Die Meistersinger". Only ever
played with a V15 cartridge at 1.5 grams. Still boxed up from several
moves ago.

 

[Fred Abse]

Wagner Ring cycle anyone ?

I have three of those: Vienna Phil/Nilsson/Solti, with Flagstad as Fricka,
Bayreuth/Fürtwängler. and a rather poor quality one with Flagstad as
Brünnhilde. All on stacks of 33 1/3 vinyl.

 

[Don Y]

Hi Les,



Understood. I'll look through the group's archives and
see just how "obsessive" these folks are... :> By far,
I am more interested in my LP's than the 78's (at least
in terms of quality). So, if they've a simple/straightforward
approach to tackle *both* it would be a real win!

Gack! Coincidentally, there is a thread still present on
my news server discussing this same issue. Reading the
comments there leaves me even *more* discouraged than the
comments *here*!

<frown>

 

[josephkk]

I, too have a turntable. I've even got spare styli and belts. I just need
to get the couple of millivolts it generates up to something a sound card
will hear. My amplifier died, years ago, and got tossed on a move.

I guess some of my vinyl is collectible. Things like the original Decca
box set of Wagner's "Ring", by the Vienna Phil. Some Fürtwängler stuff,
including a reissued wartime recording of "Die Meistersinger". Only ever
played with a V15 cartridge at 1.5 grams. Still boxed up from several
moves ago.

Mmmm. Nice, i have the means but not the time. From the tenor of your
post that is your case as well. The means is not all that expensive
anyway, an RIAA preamp is trivially easy.

?-)

 

[Roberto Waltman]

I, too have a turntable. I've even got spare styli and belts. I just need
to get the couple of millivolts it generates up to something a sound card
will hear.

Better something like the Behringer UFO202.
"Audiophile USB/Audio interface with phono preamp."

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/UFO202.aspx

(Around 35 US dollars)

 

[Don Y]

Hi Michael,

You should ask about on
There is software that will let you play a side and automatically
save each song as a file. I got a copy with a cheap USB turntable I
bought on Ebay for $15. It was one of their 1/2 off, shipping included
daily deals. It also came with two spare styli. Now, I need to dig out
my old records and try it.

The turntable is a Vibe VS-2001-USBT

It seems to be a bit more complicated than just putting
a disk on a turntable. I'd hate like hell to spend a lot
of time, risk "compromising" the media and end up with
*crap* at the end of the day. :<

It looks like this is one of those cases where "DIY" is
probably not the best approach... (at least for things
other than the LP's)

 

[Chris]

Hi Michael,



It seems to be a bit more complicated than just putting
a disk on a turntable. I'd hate like hell to spend a lot
of time, risk "compromising" the media and end up with
*crap* at the end of the day. :<

It looks like this is one of those cases where "DIY" is
probably not the best approach... (at least for things
other than the LP's)

If price was no object...

http://www.elpj.com/about/

Pretty much guaranteed not to damage the source material, I guess.

Chris.

 

[Chris]

Hi Roberto,




<grin> Yeah, seems like the "right" way to do it -- if the
folks with the technology truly understand the recording
and playback processes *intended* in the media's design.

I'm just not keen on spending the time that is probably
required to learn and chase down the required tools.
If it had been something simple/trivial (effectively
pitch compensation in post processing), that's one thing;
beyond that it starts to become a "project" :-/

Posted further up in the thread as well...

http://www.elpj.com/about/

Pricey though...

Chris