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- Jan 1, 1970
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I'm glad they went back to the traditional manual format instead of that
"kludge" of a fold out monstrosity some idiot dreamed up when they first
released it...
AMEN!
I'm glad they went back to the traditional manual format instead of that
"kludge" of a fold out monstrosity some idiot dreamed up when they first
released it...
Crash Gordon said:You won't get DMP that cheap I don't think, and YOU will not be able to
flash anything only a dealer can.
Gimme the model numbers of all parts spec'd and I'll tell you if you're
getting a fair price.
Russell Brill said:I'm curious Eric, what is his asking price for the install & equipment???
Also, is he a Smith & Wesson (Their dealers install DMP) Dealer???
FYI - I did call DMP this morning to try to get more information about the
dealers in my area and to find out if the dealer is truly exclusive in
this
market or not. At first, they transferred me to the wrong rep - that rep
hasn't handled my territory in over 3 months. When I did finally get
transferred to the right rep, I got voicemail and am still waiting for a
call back. I'm hoping they'll call me back Monday without me needing to
call in a third time. I was hoping to find a list of dealers on their
website, but they don't have any listed there either.
Eric B. said:That is my next step. I am having someone else come in today to give me
another opinion, and will be curious to see what he has to say. I really
don't know what he sells anymore. I know he used to sell Napco a lot, but
that was 15 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if he still does the same.
So I finally got feedback from another vendor today. Interestingly enough,
he dropped Napco a few years back as well, due to supply problems.
Apparently, he told me, Napco decided to stop supplying my local area at the
time; that they wanted to concentrate their sales efforts elsewhere. Idid
call Napco and found out that there is a local distributor here now (Triad),
however I don't know how long they have been with the product. One thing is
certain, it is no longer ADI. I don't know if that switch-over is what
caused both companies to migrate away from them.
This other installer suggested Paradox; that is his CP of choice. Do any of
you have experience with Paradox and/or feedback about it? A friend ofmine
has it, and my first gut instinct was that I didn't like it. I didn't like
the look of the keypad, the way it functions, etc. However, I haven't
really used it, and I know his installer screwed up the installation process
a little. So I'm a little biased. I don't know much else about the units
however. Are they a "worthy" consideration? Easy to maintain/administer?
Or is that a DMP concept again- where only certain dealers are able to
service/program/maintain them, etc?
In the meantime, I've also had a suggestion to look at the Elk M1. I took a
quick look at the specs on it, and off the cuff, it looks extremely
interesting. However, the cost also looks at least triple the price ofa
Napco/Ademco/etc unit. I've also never previously heard of Elk; is Elka
known/trusted name in the security industry, or are they more
home-automation that has branched themselves into security? Is it difficult
finding monitoring companies to support Elk (whether by dialup, cell or IP)?
Or should a monitoring company be able to handle any make/model - just a
question of programming the unit to dial the appropriate number?
Thanks so much for any information. I would never have expected this
decision to be so challenging.
Eric
Crash Gordon said:He won't be in biz long at those prices.
As good as wireless is these days, if the house is wired PROPERLY, there's
no reason to go wireless. Wired devices are cheaper if the wiring is in
the right place (plus other considerations regarding wiring)
What part of the world are you in...is this in USD?
They sell all around the world, and have not concentrated much on the
saturated US market. I could be wrong, but I have heard it said they
are the biggest supplier of alarm panels in Brazil. They have a new
"Stay D" function which hasn't caught on here in North America, but
seems to be accepted in Europe and elsewhere.
Their tech support is VERY good.
Overall, their product line
is superior to DSC, another Canadian supplier, although programming is
quite unique to their company. They don't seem to need as much service
as the DSC line, and have none of DSC's propensity to have weird
firmware problems solved only by "power down and power up and problem
is solved..??"
Crash Gordon said:That's *ridiculously* cheap for DMP XT50 & LCD Keypad (you don't say which
panel configuration though but its still too cheap)
I read what little I could about the "Stay D" function on their website, and
am extremely confused by it. I figure I must be misunderstanding something.
From my understanding, it seems like everytime someone opens a window, ora
door, or ..., you need to disarm the system (or that zone in question).
Which would imply needing either to run around to the keypad everytime I
decide to crack open a window, or carry a wireless remote with me everywhere
I go in the house.
Am I misreading this? It just doesn't sound very practical at all...
Will they support end users as well, or only dealers?
How would you rate / compare them to Ademco?
Thanks so much for the info!
Eric B. said:*laugh* The ironic thing is that this is a company that has been in
business for over 20yrs already. I dont know how much of their business
model is based on profit on hardware vs profit on labour & support. They
are a large monitoring company, so it is very possible that they decided
to make HW cheap in order to entice more clientelle. And if they are
truly exclusive for DMP in the area, then once I have a DMP system
installed in my house, I'm pretty much stuck to use them for monitoring...
Forgive my ignorance, but what is your definition of wired properly? What
other considerations are their to wiring apart from making sure that the
wiring is in the correct locations?
Actually, its in CDN. I'm in Montreal, Quebec, Canada. And with the Cdn
dollar taking a beating these last couple of weeks, it would translate to
even cheaper in USD.
RHC: Dont feel bad; I have taken their course for dealers and am still
confused about it. As close as I can see, it is like every zone on 24
hr, with the ability to bypass automatically zones as required. In
dangerous environments, it might serve a purpose, but for the average
residential user in Canada, it is needlessly complex.
RHC: They only support dealers as far as I know. Very few alarm
manufacturers (if any) will support end users directly. Their
customers are dealers, not end users. End users are either the
customers of dealers, or very much "on their own".
RHC: I don't use Ademco, so my comments must be taken in that vein. As
far as I know (my impressions only), Ademco is solid but a bit old
fashioned, and as a company doesn't move very quickly in the
marketplace, while Paradox probably moves the quickest that I know. I
would suspect that Paradox is far more modern equipment than Ademco.
But is this really a good thing ? People want only trouble free alarms
that do what they are supposed to do. All the whizbang stuff in my
experience goes largely ignored and ends up being turned of by most
installing companies. However, it's there if the end user needs it.
The Stay D function is an option, and can be turned off as well.
RHC; Eric, I don't know much about DMP, but if you are in Canada, it
would probably be wise to consider a Canadian company, for ease of
supply and pricing. That pretty much limits you to Ademco, DSC,
Paradox and Caddyx....
R.H.Campbell
Home Security Metal Products
Ottawa, Ontario, Canadawww.homemetal.com
RHC: Correction....Ademco and Caddyx are American companies. What I
meant to say was that these panel lines are common here in Canada, at
least in our area. Sorry....
r u guys still getting caddx panels? they've been GE for a year or 3 in the
US. ps Canada is in N America.
RHC: Dont feel bad; I have taken their course for dealers and am still
confused about it. As close as I can see, it is like every zone on 24
hr, with the ability to bypass automatically zones as required. In
dangerous environments, it might serve a purpose, but for the average
residential user in Canada, it is needlessly complex.
RHC; Eric, I don't know much about DMP, but if you are in Canada, it
would probably be wise to consider a Canadian company, for ease of
supply and pricing. That pretty much limits you to Ademco, DSC,
Paradox and Caddyx....
Crash Gordon said:Yes, different configurations.
It can transmit by Telco/Network/Cellular so the panel comes in a couple
(maybe 3, I forget) combinations.
I haven't installed an XT yet (they're relatively new) so I'd have to look
it up. As soon as I get some time I'm going to order one to play with.
Even if it's the 30 it's still pretty cheap if its Dialer/Network/Cellular
panel.
If it's the 30 with just dialer/network and no can + lcd keypad - its
STILL a "fair" price.
Why would DMP talk to you? You're a homeowner, not a big commercial
account... Most of the DMP dealers out here install mostly commercial,
they leave the residential jobs to all of the ADT dealers.......... You
know, FREE, FREE, FREE, FREE, FREE everything...