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  1. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    Actually I did not order the DMP bible, and I was never told I had to. I
    was only signing on as a servicing not installing dealer, and I already had
    a complete set of manuals from two other sources. I was told I could
    download all of the manuals I needed in the future. I had gone through
    several rounds where I had been told I was setup, and then I would call to
    order something only to be told I couldn't. Ultimately I got Dave on the
    phone and he told me I needed to order something on a credit card before
    they could do the final step to get me setup. I let him talk me into buying
    a Prox Demo keypad. I didn't want it or need it, but it was the easiest way
    to get going. I never used it for anything, and I think it was one of the
    things I threw away when I moved the office into the new warehouse by my
    house. We never talked about several hundred dollars for manuals I already
    had. I did not order them, and we never even talked about them. When I
    called him back he said he would pick them up at my office and credit me the
    charge. That never happened. That was also the last time I heard from Dave
    Sharp. He was always too busy and never returned my calls after that. I
    was busy and I let it go too long to take it to my credit card company. I
    have never purchased so much as a switch from them since. If I can't
    justify changing out a DMP product, I go underground to get my parts. I am
    afraid to give DMP my credit card number after that, and I long since
    canceled that card.
    The new house is great. Someday when I'm to crippled to fish all day in
    tournaments I may get some landscaping done. The office warehouse is still
    in a major state of flux. Between work, family, and fishing The office part
    is still only half done. My office and the file room and that's it, and
    really only the file room is 100% complete.

    Yes, you need to get out this way sometime. We can pretend to go fishing
    and spend the day talking about all the headaches of running an alarm
    company. LOL. Actually when I have had some time. I have been teaching
    myself to MIG weld aluminum. Right now about I'm halfway through repairing
    a wrecked aluminum bass boat. It looks like crap, but it will be tough as
    an aluminum boat can be when I am done. Actually, I plan to put a jet
    outboard on it and use it for my backwater brush buster and shallow water
    runner so its looks aren't all that important. Just how well it will hold
    up when I find a rock in the middle of some overgrown backwater channel.
    Wanna go for a boat ride...... Bwahahahahahaha!

    Bob
     
  2. alarman

    alarman Guest

    Yikes!
     
  3. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Well if it goes fast enough you don't have to worry about any holes in it
    right?

    Yah know...I've never really gone fishing for bass, or much of anything else
    out here in AZ.



    --
    **Crash Gordon**
     
  4. Jim

    Jim Guest

    He's really Jason .......... the goalie masked bass boat killer!
     
  5. Jim

    Jim Guest

    That' s because you can only catch lizards in dry stream beds and
    fishing during a flash flood is too dangerous.
     
  6. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    Well depending on the time of year Ican probably put you on some fish. I
    just took second fishing solo in a Pro/Am draw team tournament today. I did
    get big fish of the day. Sadly I missed 1st place by 0.01 pounds.
     
  7. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    Actually, I mostly fish tournament style and no consumable alcohol is
    allowed in your boat in a tournament. On the rare occasions when I take a
    buddy cat fishing we might take some beer, but if I am driving I do not
    drink.
     
  8. Eric B.

    Eric B. Guest

    That is my next step. I am having someone else come in today to give me
    another opinion, and will be curious to see what he has to say. I really
    don't know what he sells anymore. I know he used to sell Napco a lot, but
    that was 15 years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if he still does the same.
    That's basically the impression I get simply b/c it is the choice of all
    housing development contractors around here. Any new development that goes
    up seems to automatically get a DSC panel, unless otherwise specified by the
    home owner. Which makes me think that it is the absolute basic that one can
    get for their home.
    Out of curiosity, what is the 4/2 format vs. 3/1 format?
    Good idea. Will make sure to discuss it with them before doing anything.

    Since you are familiar with the Napco line, which panel would you suggest
    for someone that has the following needs:
    - MBR window & glass break sensor
    - Ground floor kitchen 2 windows and patio door (either sliding door or
    french door)
    - Ground floor family room window
    - Ground floor dining room
    - Ground floor living room window, patio door & glass break sensor
    - Basement windows
    - Garage access door
    - Front door
    - 2 Smoke detectors (bedroom level and basement)
    - CO detector
    - Propane dectector
    - 3 keypads (front door, bedroom level & garage)
    - 3 Motion detectors (living room, entrance hallway and bedroom level)

    Think that's about it. All windows (except for basement) are to be casement
    windows.

    Should a glass break sensor be on a seperate zone from the window/door
    sensor? Many of my ground floor level windows are quite large (ie:
    80-100"). Should I protect each one with a glass break sensor as well?

    My initial guess with this config is that I would look for something with at
    least 14-16 zones. From looking at their product line, I would initially
    guess something like the P816 or the P1632. I also like the concept of
    being able to communicate remotely with my system; I don't know if this is
    feasible with the NL-MOD unit (or if that is only for communication with the
    monitoring station) or if Napco has a telephone-in module.

    Any thoughts / experience with the Napco Freedom line? Does it really work
    as well as they advertise? Or is it more gimicky than effective (as it
    seems)?

    Thanks for any input!

    Eric
     
  9. Crash Gordon

    Crash Gordon Guest

    Napco would be my choice over DSC - if I had to make that choice.

    4/2 sends 4 digit account number, 2 digit alarm/trouble/restoral/oc
    descriptor code

    3/1 sends 3 digit account number 1 digit alarm codes - I don't think anyone
    installing modern equipment would be using this one anymore. Shit, I've run
    into installers that don't even know what it is!

    IMO you're not going to get the programming lock code from any alarm company
    *while* they are monitoring you, *but* I would put in the contract that they
    will give it to you should you decide to part ways.

    Why? All it takes is one misplaced digit in programming to screw up
    reporting...and who would be liable ? You who made the change and fried in
    the fire, or the company that put it in and is monitoring it? Duh.


    --
    **Crash Gordon**
     
  10. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    The Napco Freedom panel is a nice one for a very limited application. I
    have a Freedom 64 demo unit. I would prefer to go with a more
    "conventional" type of alarm setup personally unless the features of the
    Freedom that make it unique are overwhelmingly desirous to you.
     
  11. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    They did if ADI was their main supplier. Napco fired them as a distributor
    several years ago.
     
  12. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest


    A Napco RP1CAe2 keypad has a full function 4 zone expander built into the
    keypad for about the same price as other manufacturers provide a similar
    keypad with one or zero zones at the keypad.
     
  13. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    I just installed a PC1832 in a takeover. They had wireless and some keypads
    so didn't want to go the expense of changing to Napco. Anyway. I found it
    pretty easy to install, but kind of cludgy the way they address keypads and
    wireless devices/zones. Maybe just because I am so used to the way that
    Napco does it.

    Anyway, it wasn't bad and did the job.
     
  14. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    What do you mean by "if"? You've got to think positive, Robert.
    Everyone in my house is *positive* you'll be going fishing in the spring!
     
  15. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    Burtek was a big distributor of Elk products for years. The fact that
    ADI/Honeywell bought them out would tend to make that a natural
    progression (don't you think?). I do know there were more than just a
    few sleepless nights in the homes of the higher execs at Paradox when
    ADI and Burtek merged. Served 'em right for "putting all their eggs in
    one basket". I'm glad it worked out well in the end, though.
     
  16. Frank Olson

    Frank Olson Guest


    The DSC wireless stuff is not my favourite either, but the DSC 1832 and
    1864 still remains the easiest to keypad program (as a consequence would
    also be the nicest one to go the DIY route).
     
  17. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    He's really Jason .......... the goalie masked bass boat killer!

    Hey, I have a Save Phace boating mask with custom American flag paint job.
    Thank you very much. And... I only take it on very cold mornings.
     
  18. Jim

    Jim Guest


    Nowdays CID is the prefered central station format. That's " Contact
    ID." A little bit faster and more informative. It's a little to
    complicated to give a full explanation of how it works. (ie. too lazy
    to type it) Basically they've just compressed more information into
    the data sent by the panel and it's sent faster. So over all, central
    is getting more information but that makes it not as fast as it could
    be if they were sending less information. So it winds up being just a
    little bit faster when sending one or two alarm codes. We're talking
    about 5 or so seconds faster than 4/2 format when sending one alarm
    code .....
    I'm presuming that you mean a shock sensor applied directly to the
    glass(?)
    Most times the shock sensors are included in the same circuit with the
    window contact. Audio glass break detectors are put each on their
    seperate zones the same as motion detectors. If you feel that you need
    shock sensors on some windows, why wouldn't you want them on all
    windows? If you decide yes, then you should probably consider running
    wires for audio glass break detectors in each room and eliminate the
    shock sensors on each window. Except for the additional labor, you can
    detect glass breaking in the entire room with one device at a lower
    cost then doing each indivual window. Then, in my opinion you've got
    the "better" system. Glass break detection is a first line of defense,
    backed up by contacts on the doors and windows and the final line of
    defense, motion detectors. ..... NICE!
    All you'd need after that would be a back up long range radio device
    with redundant reporting to central station in the event someone cuts
    your telephone communication.

    Now ..... THAT's a truly good system!

    From your description above, I'd not use less than 17 zones. All doors
    on their own zones but in addition, you'd have to put each audio
    glass break on it's own zone too.

    The minimum panel that I use is the 1632. That would work for your
    basic alarm installation. Comes with one keypad and you can purchase
    two more. That would give you a total of 20 zones. You can buy EZM
    modules to expand it further, up to 32 zones. It has a little bit of
    control functions using an external relay board and timed events. It's
    really a 3200 "lite". Does most everything the 3200 does but not as
    much of it.

    As far as remote control, I don't know how much control you're talking
    about but the Napco Wizard will allow you to arm and disarm and learn
    the status of the system via local or remote telephone communication
    and contains 3 relay contacts that you can remote control also. The
    Wizard has programable voice response with a basic, limited but
    understandable vocabulary. It's kluge to program but it's not hard,
    just time consuming.

    Well, I don't like and never would use the version that works with the
    keyed deadlock mechanism and no arming codes, but I've installed the
    1664 with their new talking keypads, with built in loud sounder and a
    motion detector. I really liked the looks of the new keypad with the
    blue backlighting and the Motion detector in the keypad was perfect
    for my application. (It can be deprogramed if you don't want to use it
    or they also have a keypad model without the detector.) The voice
    response wasn't annoying as some other manufacturers have been in the
    past. I only did one installation , so I don't remember the part
    numbers, but I'm sure you can find them. Except for the new keypads,
    it's very similar to the 1632 only it's expandable to 64 zones. Nice
    unit, I'll be using more in the future.
     
  19. Jim

    Jim Guest

    Yeah yeah ..... that's what ALL you mad, masked fish killers say. :)
     
  20. Bob La Londe

    Bob La Londe Guest

    CID is an extended touch tone format. It sends a single short tone for each
    digit of information sent. It uses 16 hex digits from 0 through F.

    4x2 (and similar) is a pulse format that pulses the line for each increment
    of each digit and then pauses to show separation of digits.

    For instance a 9 in CID would be just a short beep of a particular
    frequency, but in pulse format like 4x2 it will have to pulse the line nine
    times and then pause. Imagine sending hex digits. Yes, many panels will
    support hex digits in pulse format, although there is some confusions
    between 0 and A as logically the both send ten pulses. Some panels take an
    A programmed as a null and do not send it. I try not to program 0 or A if I
    do not have to.

    In CID format on a clear line you can send the account number, alarm zone,
    alarm type, and following signals for other trips and conditions in the time
    it takes for a pulse format to send the account number alone. From that
    perspective it saves on-line time, sends more data, and save toll charges.

    I have run across some bad line conditions where pulse format transmitted,
    but CID was distorted too bad to be recognized by the receiver.
     
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