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Diode D8 is fine.

With the leg of D8 lifted ,please check the diodes D9-D11,
in diode mode and flipping probes.
 

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Diode D8 is fine.

With the leg of D8 lifted ,please check the diodes D9-D11,
in diode mode and flipping probes.

D9 reads .612 & with the probes flipped, nothing
D10 reads .617 & with the probes flipped, 1.282
D11 reads .629 & with the probes flipped, 1.263
 

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Please check R3 in diode mode with flipping(with D8 leg lifted) .

Rick ,
you didn't answer my question about your PCB soldering skills.
 

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Please check R3 in diode mode with flipping(with D8 leg lifted) .

Rick ,
you didn't answer my question about your PCB soldering skills.

Oh yeah, I've soldered and unsoldered resistors, capacitors and transistors before.

R3 in diode mode reads 1.211 and flipped it reads .690
 

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For now leave D8 open as it is.

Please check the resistance between each speaker red(+)terminal and the wire we have cut from connector S1 .
Do it on the wire side connected to the main amp board (not to the S1 side of the cut).
DMM in 200K ohm range.
that is a total of 5 measurements.
What do we get?
 

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For now leave D8 open as it is.

Please check the resistance between each speaker red(+)terminal and the wire we have cut from connector S1 .
Do it on the wire side connected to the main amp board (not to the S1 side of the cut).
DMM in 200K ohm range.
that is a total of 5 measurements.
What do we get?

Ok..
All 5 channels start reading 22.3 and slowly climb up to 46.1
 

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it is fine.

We are left with the capacitors C6,C8 100uF each ,they should be low ESR type
In order to check them we should use a capacitance meter and/or an ESR meter.

You do have capacitance checking on your DMM but the max range is 20uF no real help here,(but we may get lucky if a cap value has dropped significantly).

In order to take the caps out, you have to remove the switch/indicator board.
Looks like the connectors are keyed ,but in any case ,note their location and direction.
First inspect the caps solder joints(could be a bad solder,if possible add a Photo).
Then take out the caps.

Check the caps on the DMM 20uF cap range.
What do we get?
 

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it is fine.

We are left with the capacitors C6,C8 100uF each ,they should be low ESR type
In order to check them we should use a capacitance meter and/or an ESR meter.

You do have capacitance checking on your DMM but the max range is 20uF no real help here,(but we may get lucky if a cap value has dropped significantly).

In order to take the caps out, you have to remove the switch/indicator board.
Looks like the connectors are keyed ,but in any case ,note their location and direction.
First inspect the caps solder joints(could be a bad solder,if possible add a Photo).
Then take out the caps.

Check the caps on the DMM 20uF cap range.
What do we get?

Ok, i need to get some sleep again lol.
I'll get backntonyou again later when i have the board out with photos. Thanks!
 

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it is fine.

We are left with the capacitors C6,C8 100uF each ,they should be low ESR type
In order to check them we should use a capacitance meter and/or an ESR meter.

You do have capacitance checking on your DMM but the max range is 20uF no real help here,(but we may get lucky if a cap value has dropped significantly).

In order to take the caps out, you have to remove the switch/indicator board.
Looks like the connectors are keyed ,but in any case ,note their location and direction.
First inspect the caps solder joints(could be a bad solder,if possible add a Photo).
Then take out the caps.

Check the caps on the DMM 20uF cap range.
What do we get?

Ok i got the Board out. How do i test them on the meter? I dont think the leads are long enough.
 

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dorke

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In the CX socket .
If the leads are too short,
you should use "extension wires ",improvise something.

The PCB needs good cleaning ,use a cotton swab and rubbing alcohol.

Do you have any cap with value just under 20uF?
 

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Yeah i have 10uf and a few others. Does the polarity mater when placing it on the meter? How do i start the test?
 

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Yeah i have 10uf and a few others. Does the polarity mater when placing it on the meter? How do i start the test?
The polarity doesn't mater.
Simply put the DMM in the 20u F(one position cw from the off) range and read the result.
Start with measuring the 10uF you have,so that we know the meter is working in the F range.

What does the 10uF read ?
What do the 100uF read?

What other caps in the range of 5-20uf do you have?
Do you have more than one 10uF?
 
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The polarity doesn't mater.
Simply put the DMM in the 20u F(one position cw from the off) range and read the result.
Start with measuring the 10uF you have,so that we know the meter is working in the F range.

What does the 10uF read ?
What do the 100uF read?

What other caps in the range of 5-20uf do you have?
Do you have more than one 10uF?

I dont get any readings with any of them. Even tried a 4.7uf
 

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Here is the manual of your DMM
Are you using the CX socket?
You should use the outer most contact points.
I guess one cap leg in one of the 3 upper holes and the other in one of the lower 3 will do.
 

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So
Here is the manual of your DMM
Are you using the CX socket?
You should use the outer most contact points.
I guess one cap leg in one of the 3 upper holes and the other in one of the lower 3 will do.

So not like this?
 

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Yes ,it should be fine.
Maybe it doesn't touch well, try jiggling the cap in the socket.
 

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Yes ,it should be fine.
Maybe it doesn't touch well, try jiggling the cap in the socket.

I did, theres no readings. Maybe it doesn't work i guess.
Is there a way wencan continue without this test?
 

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I guess assume the caps are faulty.
Buy new ones and put them in, then re-solder the cut wire and try the amp.
The caps should be low ESR type(lately also called "computer grade"").
Have you got a store near you that may have them?
And don't forget to clean the PCB.
 

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I guess assume the caps are faulty.
Buy new ones and put them in, then re-solder the cut wire and try the amp.
The caps should be low ESR type(lately also called "computer grade"").
Have you got a store near you that may have them?
And don't forget to clean the PCB.

Yeah, i have a store near by. So most likely its bad capacitors causing this issue? Any other possibilities?
 

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Yes most likely.
On 2nd thought we can do another test with a small jig.
Do you have 2 AA or AAA 1.5V batteries?
And Some wires?
 
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