Programming problem on Vista 20P

[Mike]

I have a 20P with 2 keypads. A 6160 and a 6150RF.
Had everythng programmed and seemingly working fine on the bench. (good
advice guys thanks)
I initially programmed the 5804 Keyfob via the 6150RF keypad. It worked well
although i couldnt figure out how to change one of the buttons to be used as
a panic button.
I decided in my infinite greeny wisdom to try reprogramming the keyfob from
the 6160 keypad using the #3 template via *58.
After doing this i now get the error "Check 100 RF Receiver" according to
the info in the install and setup guide this indicates that "communication
between control and a zone expander or wireless receiver is interupted.
Where xx is the device address." So i know that 01 is the device address for
the 6150RF, so im not sure where to look in the programming to delete the
mistake i just made by going through the *58 Wireless Key Programming
Templates procedure.
I tried going back and disabling all the zones that were made active by
this, and im still getting the same error.
Funy thing is the 6150RF Keypad is still working, and the keyfob still works
as it was when i first programmed it from the 6150RF.
Somewhere i must have entered in device 00 as the device number for the
6150RF when i was trying to reprogramm the keyfob from the 6160.
Any Vista 20P gurus care to shed some light on this mess?

Thanks

 

[Crash Gordon®]

One keypad should be 16, the other 17

You also have to enable the use of the second keypad at address *191 (I think its 191) by entering 11 there. This should fix at least the Check 100.

You know how to change the keypad addresses right? ... hold down the 1 & 3 keys immediately after powering up the keypads.

You may have more probs...but thats all i remember without getting a programming sheet out...(later on this)

 

[Mike]

Thanks for the reply Crash,
Yes the 6160 is set to address 16 and the 6150RF is set to 17.
I did enable the use of the 6150RF at address *190 and entered in 10.
So im still stuck with this Check 100 RF Receiver error, and im considering
doing a factory reset but hate to go through the hair pulling iw ent through
to get this thing programmed from scratch.


One keypad should be 16, the other 17

You also have to enable the use of the second keypad at address *191 (I
think its 191) by entering 11 there. This should fix at least the Check 100.

You know how to change the keypad addresses right? ... hold down the 1 & 3
keys immediately after powering up the keypads.

You may have more probs...but thats all i remember without getting a
programming sheet out...(later on this)

 

[Mike]

I just had a thought (i know thats a dangerous thing) is it possible that
the by trying to program the keyfob from the 6160 that it somehow thought i
had the wireless module installed and now its looking for it and thats why
im getting the 100 error? The 00 in the 100 is for device 00 which is the
6160 keypad.
Im trying to find where that would have been enabled to see if this is the
case.

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Its something in the keypad setup..i cant remember...house code, house id..when you use certain wireless keypads/fobs. I'm drawing a blank and I don't have the program sheets at home. The 100 error is rf error...also maybe *24 in panel program. Sorry, either too much chaffeine or not enough this morning.

Mark L. will remember if he's around today.

 

[RJD314]

The 6150RF keypad default wireless receceiver address is 00. Make sure
the keypad is seated correctly on the backplate. If the tamper switch
is tripped, the 20p will display a "Check 100 RF Receiver". Try
holding the tamper manually for a couple of minutes to see if the
"Check 100 RF Receiver" restores.

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Thats weird...the one I did yesterday was set to default 31, I had to change it to 16 to be seen by the panel.

 

[Crash Gordon®]

sorry, thought you meant the keypad address.
keypad addr default it 31
receiver default is 00


Thats weird...the one I did yesterday was set to default 31, I had to change it to 16 to be seen by the panel.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Sounds like he doesn't have the wireless receiver in the keypad addressed as
00, won't find it in *24 anymore thats for the older stuff only

Its something in the keypad setup..i cant remember...house code, house
id..when you use certain wireless keypads/fobs. I'm drawing a blank and I
don't have the program sheets at home. The 100 error is rf error...also
maybe *24 in panel program. Sorry, either too much chaffeine or not enough
this morning.

Mark L. will remember if he's around today.

 

[Mark Leuck]

The keypad part comes from the factory as 31 but the internal keypad
receiver is 00

Thats weird...the one I did yesterday was set to default 31, I had to change
it to 16 to be seen by the panel.

 

[Mark Leuck]

That keypad may not have a tamper switch, Honeywell took them out a while
back

 

[Mike]

I tried setting the Receiver address on the 5160RF to 00 (was 01) and i
still get the same error.
This all happened as i first mentioned after going into the 6160 and trying
to set up the keyfob buttons.

The covers are on both keypads and i dont remember seeing or reading
anything about tamper switches.
I also didnt move or do anything with either keypad before this occured.
Please dont make me reset to factory defaults.
I guess if i have to, its only 3 zones and the keyfob programming. If you
guys have any other ideas, i wont be hopping on this again for a couple
days.
Thanks

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Doesn't button 4 (loop 4) on the 5804 have to be programmed?
Can't remember...I hate programming those things anyway.

 

[Crash Gordon®]

i had a check 100 saturday (6150rf)...defaulted the keypad and reset it to addr 16 and went away...but i wasn't using buttons.

their manuals are getting better though.

 

[Mark Leuck]

I never tried programming the same remote into the panel and an RF
keypad; that could be an issue as well....

I have, it does work and sometimes has it's advantages, for instance as a
trigger for the keypad relay AND panel relay

 

[Mark Leuck]

Yes but that will just give a check + zone not check 100, and you won't hate
doing keyfobs when you do the *58 menu and templates, it's a breeze

Doesn't button 4 (loop 4) on the 5804 have to be programmed?
Can't remember...I hate programming those things anyway.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Yes, they say loop 4 must be programmed in the panel, but you can make the
zone type 00 if you don't want to use the button.
I think I had check 100 on a 20-P one time, when I put in house ID's for
partitions 2 and 3 (field 24), with one RF keypad, but I don't remember the
details...there was a bad keypad involved too.

No you can't make loop 4 a 00 or it will show a check/trouble if activated,
instead if you don't want to use that button make it a 23

 

[Mark Leuck]

i had a check 100 saturday (6150rf)...defaulted the keypad and reset it to
addr 16 and went away...but i wasn't using buttons.

their manuals are getting better though.


The manual doesn't show this tho, many times when exiting RF keypad
programming you will get a check 100, in those cases entering then exiting
panel programming clears that up. Older 6150RF keypads had problems with the
tamper switch which is why they deleted that on later versions. If he's
getting a check 100 then it's going to be one of the following

1. He doesn't have his receiver set at address 100
2. He doesn't have a receiver period
3. He's got an older 6150RF keypad with a bad tamper
4.
5. He's got a defective RF keypad

I've worked with these panels hundreds of times and thats pretty much all it
could be, I'd default the RF keypad and start over if I were him

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Yah I usually use the template.

I'm having a problem with one now that I have to deal with: 5804bd & 5800tm...slow response - pain in the butt.

 

[Mark Leuck]

Keep in mind the documentation for the 5804BD came out long before the
15P/20P panels did and so it is oriented more to the Vista-40/50 panels
which couldn't have the receiver at address 00 (thats for keypads). On the
20P yu do need to set the receiver address to 00 and you do have to link it
to a user code (make it below user 33 which by default is the master for
partition 2)

Triggers are easy, map the relay in *79 then set up a schedule in *80 and
use "Activated by Zone type" and make that zone type 23

Nice thing about that panel is it can do a ton of things in the schedules,
mine here arms/disarms every hour in the morning then sends 10 test signals,
I can set one relay to trigger 24 different ways if I want