OT: PhD in Electronic Engineering

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Foreign universities and US universities in the 70's or 80's usually did
not have ABET accreditation. Whatever it means, I am not a fan of that
anyhow. One shall leave the curriculum and all that to the people who
know, and that would be the professor at that university.

US universities were certainly accredited. Mine was. I remember preparing
for the silly dog and pony shows. Professors? They're hired to do research
(a battle I remember my father fighting - and losing).

Yep. Such onerous requirements lead the whole thing almost ad absurdum.
It is not useful IMHO. Seems like our state saw it that way as well when
they decided to just make the board a small group under the Department
of Consumer Affairs many years ago.

I suppose it *could* mean something. I doubt I'd go to a doctor that didn't
have MD after his name. Maybe I would, though. Most of the reason I need a
doctor is *because* of their monopoly.

I found the errors in inclination calcs, not exactly EE stuff. Plus
flaws in interpretation of the law. Findings which I presented at a
pretty crowded meeting and again in a certified mailing, just to make
sure the message is "driven home" properly and would hold in court if
necessary. There was some silence afterwards, and then full compliance
with what I thought needs to happen, not what they thought needs to
happen. Oh did everyone become friendly, like day and night

Ah, a public humiliation meeting. They're always appreciated, and remembered.

Could go further but not in public, because on a personal level I liked
the guy. Not sure he's still around, he was older.

Not necessary.

 

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Like going to the beach to play with little black balls?

Watch it! ...or you'll have Sharpton *and* Dobson on your doorstep.

 

[Joerg]

US universities were certainly accredited. ...

Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

... Mine was. I remember preparing
for the silly dog and pony shows. Professors? They're hired to do research
(a battle I remember my father fighting - and losing).

Luckily, at my university most professors took their teaching role
seriously. But not all.

I suppose it *could* mean something. I doubt I'd go to a doctor that didn't
have MD after his name. Maybe I would, though. Most of the reason I need a
doctor is *because* of their monopoly.

Some countries in Europe have "healing practitioners" and some are a
hell of a lot better than many doctors I've seen. Case in point: _All_
of the doctors trying to diagnose and treat my recurring back pain
failed to mention that one major cause can be a magnesium deficiency. A
CPA finally told me. So I started taking supplements -> Bingo!

[...]

Ah, a public humiliation meeting. They're always appreciated, and remembered.

That was not my intent, I am not the kind of guy who likes doing that.
But they wanted to have a whole neighborhood over the barrel so we had
no choice but to prove that they were wrong. Personal communication from
my side was ignored, threat letters had gone out from their side, and
once that happens the gloves come off. At least mine. They are very
quiet since then

[...]

 

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These days lawyers and politicians practice medicine.

Don't forget the government bureaucrats.

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote: [snip]

US universities were certainly accredited. ...

Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else. Here's
a guy who had to fight the license board because of this very issue. He
ultimate won but the fact that they initially refused him shows the problem:

http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcsc/forms/eng/063005.pdf

Quote "... is petitioning for approval to sit for the Fundamentals of
Engineering and Principles and Practice of Engineering Examinations. Mr.
Allman holds a degree in Electrical Engineering from General Motors
Institute aka GMI, now known as Kettering University. The Department
denied Mr. Allman’s application because his degree was not ABET
accredited when awarded in 1973. ..."

The guy from Penn State wasn't so lucky, they denied his request to sit
for the exam. Sorry, but IMHO this is a bad joke.

Remember, look into the mirror, some of us are older and thus our
degrees are from decades ago

 

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[email protected] wrote: [snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...

Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.

OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.

OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university. And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET. Then
there's all the folks who got their degrees overseas.

I do not like it that a few Dollars of my IEEE dues go towards ABET but
I guess one has to live with such issues just like with governments,
nothing will ever be perfect. Anyhow, industry doesn't care about all
this stuff. Heck, nobody ever wanted to even see my degree.

Recently I worked side by side with an engineer with a degree from
Monterrey, Mexiko. Ohm's law appears to be the same there and I didn't
see any difference in the way we think.

 

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Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.

OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.

Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.

None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.

Then there's all the folks who got their degrees overseas.

You mean like VIT University in India? ...or University of Karlsruhe, Germany?

I do not like it that a few Dollars of my IEEE dues go towards ABET but
I guess one has to live with such issues just like with governments,
nothing will ever be perfect. Anyhow, industry doesn't care about all
this stuff. Heck, nobody ever wanted to even see my degree.

They've never looked at my copy of the degree, no. Not even sure where it is.
I don't much like ABET (it's a joke) but it's a *lot* better than the
government getting involved.

Recently I worked side by side with an engineer with a degree from
Monterrey, Mexiko. Ohm's law appears to be the same there and I didn't
see any difference in the way we think.

From ITESM, Chihuahua, Campus Estado de Mexico, or Monterrey?

 

[Joerg]

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.

Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.

None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.

Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

You mean like VIT University in India? ...or University of Karlsruhe, Germany?

At RWTH Aachen University there were always about 10% foreign student
including Americans. It was actually encouraged to broaden one's horizon
by studying overseas and there are mutual programs between countries.
And I wholeheartedly agree with that. Putting an ABET requirement in
license laws stabs those people in the back. BTW, this happens to be one
of the ivy league universities over there.

They've never looked at my copy of the degree, no. Not even sure where it is.
I don't much like ABET (it's a joke) but it's a *lot* better than the
government getting involved.

But it _is_ getting involved, by using ABET in license laws. I guess if
someone really wanted to push the issue they could sue on grounds of age
discrimination and win.

From ITESM, Chihuahua, Campus Estado de Mexico, or Monterrey?

Estudios Superiores de Monterrey, and Chihuahua before that.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

[email protected] wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.

Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.

None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.

Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

CompSci is arguably not engineering.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

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[email protected] wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.

Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.

None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.

Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

Did they *have* a CompE degree before then? Note that their EE degree was
accredited in '69 and CE and ME programs in '65.

Guess you are a geezer. I note that my alma mater was first accredited in
'36, so I'm a spring chicken. ;-) Their CompE program was accredited in '78,
but they still gave EE degrees to CompEs, before that.

At RWTH Aachen University there were always about 10% foreign student
including Americans. It was actually encouraged to broaden one's horizon
by studying overseas and there are mutual programs between countries.
And I wholeheartedly agree with that. Putting an ABET requirement in
license laws stabs those people in the back. BTW, this happens to be one
of the ivy league universities over there.

Kinda like the AMA and the various Bar Associations?

But it _is_ getting involved, by using ABET in license laws. I guess if
someone really wanted to push the issue they could sue on grounds of age
discrimination and win.

I don't see how it's age discrimination at all. As I said earlier, ABET has
been around for 75 years. If you're older than that, I'm sure there is a
grand father clause if you got your license before the ABET requirement went
into force.

Estudios Superiores de Monterrey, and Chihuahua before that.

They've got the ABET stamp of approval.

 

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[email protected] wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.

Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.

None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.

Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

CompSci is arguably not engineering.

CompSci <> Comp Engineering

Comp Engineering is essentially electrical engineering with an emphasis on
digital and computer architecture. CompSci is where script kiddies go.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.

Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.

None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.


Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

CompSci is arguably not engineering.

CompSci <> Comp Engineering

Comp Engineering is essentially electrical engineering with an emphasis on
digital and computer architecture. CompSci is where script kiddies go.

When I was in Uni, Computer Engineering did not yet exist except as a
specialization of EE. Script kiddies didn't exist in the day of the
dinosaur IBM/360 and newfangled PDP-10.

So, yeah, if one didn't exactly study what was then considered
engineering, then it would be somewhat more difficult to be accredited
as an engineer (but not impossible). One of the downsides of getting
in on the ground floor. Something similar happened in the
environmental field in roughly that time period, and the pioneers were
inconvenienced a bit.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Joerg]

[email protected] wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.
Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.
None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.

Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

Did they *have* a CompE degree before then? Note that their EE degree was
accredited in '69 and CE and ME programs in '65.

AFAIK they did. We had a lot of older SW guys wit local degrees.

Guess you are a geezer. I note that my alma mater was first accredited in
'36, so I'm a spring chicken. ;-) Their CompE program was accredited in '78,
but they still gave EE degrees to CompEs, before that.

Well, in Germany none of the universities other than Karlsruhe is on the
list.

Kinda like the AMA and the various Bar Associations?

Not at all. With doctors it's very clear, unlike PE they have always had
that woven into their curriculum and followed the path, study, do your
residency, and so on. And typically not every state has their little
fiefdom and their own little law about it.

I don't see how it's age discrimination at all. As I said earlier, ABET has
been around for 75 years. If you're older than that, I'm sure there is a
grand father clause if you got your license before the ABET requirement went
into force.

As I said, many universities still don't have it (for example mine),
others got it very recently. For example, the University of Alaska
Anchorage got it for EE in 2007, Boise State in 1999, and so on. Now if
you'd call any engineer over 30 a geezer ...

They've got the ABET stamp of approval.

Monterrey? Not for EE as far as I could see, and the rest only in 2006.

 

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They are just unelected politicians, in their small minds.

Worse. Politicans can be fired.

 

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On Sat, 05 Jun 2010 15:40:20 -0700, the renowned Joerg

[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.

Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.

None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.


Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

CompSci is arguably not engineering.

CompSci <> Comp Engineering

Comp Engineering is essentially electrical engineering with an emphasis on
digital and computer architecture. CompSci is where script kiddies go.

When I was in Uni, Computer Engineering did not yet exist except as a
specialization of EE. Script kiddies didn't exist in the day of the
dinosaur IBM/360 and newfangled PDP-10.

CompE had just started as a curriculum when I was in school. I could have
gotten either degree but CompE wasn't well known, so I stayed pure EE. I
figured I could tell prospective employers I had the choice, if they asked.
THe only computers I'd ever used were the 360/75 and a PDP-8. Well, there
were a couple of analog computers I kept operational. Nice job, since I was
the only one outside one of the profs that new how to run them. Nice AC
system for those hot summer days, too. ;-)

So, yeah, if one didn't exactly study what was then considered
engineering, then it would be somewhat more difficult to be accredited
as an engineer (but not impossible). One of the downsides of getting
in on the ground floor. Something similar happened in the
environmental field in roughly that time period, and the pioneers were
inconvenienced a bit.

Like I said earlier, UIUC was accredited for CompE in '78. '74 was the first
year they offered the degree (some nonsense that they had to graduate people
before they could apply for accreditation). They covered the interim with
some, "well, it's really an EE degree" mumbo jumbo.

 

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[email protected] wrote:

[email protected] wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:
[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...
Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else.
OK, I did. There are 28 ABET (EAC) accredited EE programs in California
alone. I didn't bother counting them for the whole country.

http://www.abet.org/AccredProgramSearch/AccreditationSearch.aspx

Sure, you can always find one. Two things: Not everyone has a dad who
can afford to put four kids through a fancy university.
Huh? They're pretty much *all* ABET accredited.

And then there's
a whole lot of older people who got their degree way before ABET.
None that are still practicing. ABET started accrediting colleges 75 years
ago.

Engineering at CSU Sacramento Computer was accredited in 1989, per yuor
link. I got my EE degree in 1986. Am I a geezer now?

Did they *have* a CompE degree before then? Note that their EE degree was
accredited in '69 and CE and ME programs in '65.

AFAIK they did. We had a lot of older SW guys wit local degrees.

I know UIUC was one of the first with the degree in '74 (accredited in '78).
It wouldn't surprise me if those folks had either an EE or CS degree.

Well, in Germany none of the universities other than Karlsruhe is on the
list.

I was just making the point that ABET is not only US, though looking at the
list it's obvious where the influence is (much $$ pumped into the ME
universities - and now China).

Not at all. With doctors it's very clear, unlike PE they have always had
that woven into their curriculum and followed the path, study, do your
residency, and so on. And typically not every state has their little
fiefdom and their own little law about it.

Sure they do. *Each* state has it's own licensing requirements. Goes for
nurses, teachers, veterinarians, and even hair dressers and barbers (say
what?).

As I said, many universities still don't have it (for example mine),
others got it very recently. For example, the University of Alaska
Anchorage got it for EE in 2007, Boise State in 1999, and so on. Now if
you'd call any engineer over 30 a geezer ...

There may be a reason they weren't accredited.

Monterrey? Not for EE as far as I could see, and the rest only in 2006.

Yes, Monterrey. Look closer. Search on "Electrical and Electronic". They
call it "Mechatronics Engineering" (2006).

 

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[email protected] wrote: [snip]

US universities were certainly accredited. ...


Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

No kidding! I know a ME who is working in a hardware store.

We had a couple of locals in for their Senior projects. Well, you were
talking about being cold...

 

[JosephKK]

Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

Try again for electrical engineering jackass.

... Mine was. I remember preparing
for the silly dog and pony shows. Professors? They're hired to do research
(a battle I remember my father fighting - and losing).

Luckily, at my university most professors took their teaching role
seriously. But not all.

I suppose it *could* mean something. I doubt I'd go to a doctor that didn't
have MD after his name. Maybe I would, though. Most of the reason I need a
doctor is *because* of their monopoly.

Some countries in Europe have "healing practitioners" and some are a
hell of a lot better than many doctors I've seen. Case in point: _All_
of the doctors trying to diagnose and treat my recurring back pain
failed to mention that one major cause can be a magnesium deficiency. A
CPA finally told me. So I started taking supplements -> Bingo!

[...]

Ah, a public humiliation meeting. They're always appreciated, and remembered.

That was not my intent, I am not the kind of guy who likes doing that.
But they wanted to have a whole neighborhood over the barrel so we had
no choice but to prove that they were wrong. Personal communication from
my side was ignored, threat letters had gone out from their side, and
once that happens the gloves come off. At least mine. They are very
quiet since then

[...]

 

[JosephKK]

[email protected] wrote:
[snip]
US universities were certainly accredited. ...

Nope. First search engine hit:

http://digitalcommons.calpoly.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1029&context=ime_fac

Quote: "Out of the 300 engineering colleges in the United States, there
are only 24 ABET (Accreditation Board for Engineering and
Technology)-accredited manufacturing engineering programs"

[snip]

That's called misreading

The keywords above are "manufacturing engineering".

How many schools even offer "manufacturing engineering" programs?

"Manufacturing engineering" is catch-all non-specific "discipline".

If you don't like manufacturing engineering pick something else. Here's
a guy who had to fight the license board because of this very issue. He
ultimate won but the fact that they initially refused him shows the problem:

http://www.dleg.state.mi.us/bcsc/forms/eng/063005.pdf

Quote "... is petitioning for approval to sit for the Fundamentals of
Engineering and Principles and Practice of Engineering Examinations. Mr.
Allman holds a degree in Electrical Engineering from General Motors
Institute aka GMI, now known as Kettering University. The Department
denied Mr. Allman’s application because his degree was not ABET
accredited when awarded in 1973. ..."

The guy from Penn State wasn't so lucky, they denied his request to sit
for the exam. Sorry, but IMHO this is a bad joke.

Remember, look into the mirror, some of us are older and thus our
degrees are from decades ago

I guess Arizona is more fundamental... they count "experience"

...Jim Thompson

You can do it by experience in California also, nor do the references
have to be PE for electrical engineers, but having at least one really
helps. Most of my references never were PEs. Still got accepted.