Florida Statute According to RLB

[Si Ballenger]

Post the link where you read your interpetation and I'll show you where it
changed. Since you posted the wrong statute to begin with, I have know idea
where to start. I don't know where you would have read it. As far as RBL
and the enforcement goes, keep up with the thread. I have already said, the
state wouldn't do anything on their own. He stepped on someone's toes a year
ago and got investigated. He slipped by on that one. They must, by law,
investigate complaints, but he is really not a threat to the health, safety
and welfare of the public as stated in the statute to be a big concern to
them. In other words he isn't worth the time or money. His BBB report may
come to their attention by wat of a consumer complaint. Again, I don't give
two rats asses about his activities, just his over inflated ego. I have been
asked to stop since it is boring. I don't if it was his activities or his
ego that is boring, but either way I heard what they said.

All the pertinant Florida statutes I read were on line, and
appear to still be there at the below link. I used the search
function here which found what I needed at the time. You admit
that RLB has been investigated and the investigation appaerntly
found nothing. If the state ignores actual violations, they would
be assuming part of any liability that might arise as a result of
ignoring the violation, which I doubt they intentionally do. What
RLB did years ago to upset "the business", as best as I remember,
was to publish equipment prices which showed how much "the
business" was over charging customers for the equipment they were
purchasing. It really upset the "good old boy" alarm dealers that
were tripple pricing the equipment they sold to customers.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm

 

[Si Ballenger]

OK Matlock, how does that exempt rlb?

Show the contracts RLB has engaged in. I think your BS grinder is
starting to over heat.

most intelligent thing you've said so far.

So use it to teach your wife and kids to talk.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Fly down to Florida, ring his doorbell,

and the two of you kick each other's
ass already...

I live in a gated community so he couldn't
ring my doorbell. Besides, with all the
after affects of surgery plus months of
chemotherapy, I can barely walk across
the street without getting winded right now.
I'd just have him arrested and deported
(assuming they don't still have warrants
out for him from before he fled the USA
years ago).

He's not going to leave. He's not going

out of business. He can duck the laws by
moving his virtual business from State to
State or to another country...

No need. Florida law is just fine for a DIY store.

IMHO the last time I saw 2 guys so
preoccupied with each other was on
Brokeback Mountain.

I didn't realise that was a real place. What's it like? :^)

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[Don]

Show the contracts RLB has engaged in.

if you click on the tab to pay for the stuff you buy from the website then
you are engaging in a contract with the people to sell you the equipment.

according to you all we have to do is tell the our cusomers we want cash and
won't sign anything and we can all do business without a license. Ya
that'll work...for awhile.

 

[Frank Olson]

You admit
that RLB has been investigated and the investigation appaerntly
found nothing.

Bob never said that. Yes, RLB was investigated. Coincidental to that
same investigation, he stopped selling monitoring services. What he
does now is provide a link to a third party monitoring agency for anyone
interested in having that done. He used to contract for those services
directly. He will, of course, deny that discontinuing this recurring
revenue stream had anything to do with the Florida Attorney General's
investigation. He will instead insist that the whole idea wasn't
generating the "income stream" he expected (or some such nonsense).

If the state ignores actual violations, they would
be assuming part of any liability that might arise as a result of
ignoring the violation, which I doubt they intentionally do. What
RLB did years ago to upset "the business", as best as I remember,
was to publish equipment prices which showed how much "the
business" was over charging customers for the equipment they were
purchasing. It really upset the "good old boy" alarm dealers that
were tripple pricing the equipment they sold to customers.

There isn't a single alarm company that I know of that "tripple prices"
equipment (unless of course you're referring to an *installed* price
rather than a price for just the equipment).

 

[Robert L Bass]

Implying I can be bought? Maybe he's

guilty now of feeding some hungry
people?

I contributed a very small sum because I thought you were doing something good for the hungry. If I were able to I'd have done
more. I did not then nor do I now expect that to make any difference in your opinion of my business. We have always been at
opposite ends of the spectrum in this trade. No problem.

You will note my statements on the
hypocrisy here started before anyone
knew I was holding a food drive...
True.

Robert did what he did not to buy a pal...

Correct. Anyone who knows me knows that I've never budged from what I believe in order to gain a "pal" in any newsgroup. I say
what I beleive and if others don't like it, well olson them.

He knows better than that, and he doesn't
operate that way. After 8 years of watching
him it's pretty easy to determine he did that
out of kindness, not for me, but for the
people being helped...

Presumably others here also helped (hopefully) more than I me.

I'm thankful to him and others for helping
feed hungry people. None of you would
have known had I not posted a public
thank you. I posted it publicly because he
and I don't accept emails from each other.
We're not on each other's buddy lists if
you catch my drift...

Actually, though we still disagree about most things regarding the trade, you've earned some respect from me (and not from things
related to this thread). I'm not expecting any walks in the moonlight but a grudging respect is in order. Whether you think the
same is up to you.

Robert will always be an obnoxious prick...

But a successful one.

(which would also describe me) but he
remains constant. I disagree with most
of his business practices as he does with
mine but I don't wish him harm.

Same here. Prior nastiness is water over the dam. Screw that. (there, you got me to say it).

You OTOH seem to be easily swayed from whatever your stance of the day
is. ISTR you making brownies and playing pattycakes with Robert after
he referred a few clients your way. You had no problem with him then
but that was when you stood to gain something out of it. It makes no
difference if you closed the deals or not the fact remains that you
still accepted his leads.

Yep. As long as he thought there were a few bucks in it for him he played nice. Once that ended he started kicking and giggling
(strange behavior for a grown man, but this *is* ASA. :^)

 

[Frank Olson]

I live in a gated community so he couldn't
ring my doorbell. Besides, with all the
after affects of surgery plus months of
chemotherapy, I can barely walk across
the street without getting winded right now.
I'd just have him arrested and deported
(assuming they don't still have warrants
out for him from before he fled the USA
years ago).

Let's see... I was five weeks old and had a "rap sheet" as long as my
diaper when I left the US. At the time, I wasn't a full fledged member
of the "Apfelstrudel" Gang, but now, I am. So be careful. "Gated
communities" aren't a problem for a nicely lettered pastry truck.

 

[Si Ballenger]

if you click on the tab to pay for the stuff you buy from the website then
you are engaging in a contract with the people to sell you the equipment.

Bzzzzzt!

Buying on line does not require any of the abilitys and such
listed in the statute. Otherwise any online purchase of wire,
screws, tape or any other component that might be used in an
alarm system would require a contractors license. Try reading the
statute below.

according to you all we have to do is tell the our cusomers we want cash and
won't sign anything and we can all do business without a license. Ya
that'll work...for awhile.

That is more of your fanticy thinking and nothing to do with what
I have posted. If you do what you have stated you would be
engaging in an implied contract for compensation and need a
license. Are you and your thinking typical of those "in the
business"? Now I know why DIY is the way to go.




Buying on line does not require any of the abilitys and such
listed in the statute. Otherwise any online purchase of wire,
screws, tape or any other component that might be used in an
alarm system would require a contractors license.

489.505 Definitions.--As used in this part:

2) "Alarm system contractor" means a person whose business
includes the execution of contracts requiring the ability,
experience, science, knowledge, and skill to lay out, fabricate,
install, maintain, alter, repair, monitor, inspect, replace, or
service alarm systems for compensation, including, but not
limited to, all types of alarm systems for all purposes. This
term also means any person, firm, or corporation that engages in
the business of alarm contracting under an expressed or implied
contract; that undertakes, offers to undertake, purports to have
the capacity to undertake, or submits a bid to engage in the
business of alarm contracting; or that by itself or by or through
others engages in the business of alarm contracting.

 

[Don]

Bzzzzzt!

Buying on line does not require any of the abilitys and such
listed in the statute. Otherwise any online purchase of wire,
screws, tape or any other component that might be used in an
alarm system would require a contractors license. Try reading the
statute below.

he's already admitted to downloading and designing over the phone. please
try to keep up

That is more of your fanticy thinking and nothing to do with what
I have posted. If you do what you have stated you would be
engaging in an implied contract for compensation and need a
license. Are you and your thinking typical of those "in the
business"? Now I know why DIY is the way to go.

have at it.




ying on line does not require any of the abilitys and such

listed in the statute. Otherwise any online purchase of wire,
screws, tape or any other component that might be used in an
alarm system would require a contractors license.

no we're talking about a system. tape can be used to shut up your wife.
wire can be use d to tie her up. screws, well I don't know what you would
do with them.

489.505 Definitions.--As used in this part:

2) "Alarm system contractor" means a person whose business
includes the execution of contracts requiring the ability,
experience, science, knowledge, and skill to lay out, fabricate,
install, maintain, alter, repair, monitor, inspect, replace, or

key word is 'or'. if someone is doing 'any' of the above while selling the
'system'

 

[Si Ballenger]

Bob never said that. Yes, RLB was investigated. Coincidental to that
same investigation, he stopped selling monitoring services. What he
does now is provide a link to a third party monitoring agency for anyone
interested in having that done. He used to contract for those services
directly. He will, of course, deny that discontinuing this recurring
revenue stream had anything to do with the Florida Attorney General's
investigation. He will instead insist that the whole idea wasn't
generating the "income stream" he expected (or some such nonsense).

As best as I remember an "alarm station" inside of Florida where
alarms are received and handled requires licensing, and alarm
stations outside of Florida are specifically exempted from
Florida's jurisdiction concerning Florida alarm station
licensing. Also as best as I remember (may be worth verifying)
acting solely as a broker for alarm services is also exempt from
alarm related licensing in Florida. A lot of alarm brokers are
licensed for one reason or another (looks good in a yellow pages
ad), but I don't think it is a requirement.

There isn't a single alarm company that I know of that "tripple prices"
equipment (unless of course you're referring to an *installed* price
rather than a price for just the equipment).

Maybe they were quadrupling the price, who knows. Bottom line is
that when the lower equipment prices were posted on the net, a
lot of alarm installers started squealing like stuck pigs.

 

[secure15]

Not a damn thing gets past me, Bob. But since you insist on running
your mouth to me let's set the record straight.
You see I was the one who originally called the Florida board (you know
the one you were involved with) to report Robert and guys like you
didn't do a thing. Don't blame me because you sat with your thumb up
your ass. I took a shot at him. I wasn't anonymous. I didn't hide my
name. I didn't hide my location. I even told him I did it. He knows it.
I did it out of malice. Big shocker huh? No. Because unlike you half
assed ball biters I do more than talk. And unlike you I am intelligent
enough to realize what a waste of time it would be chasing him over an
issue that can go away with a simple change of address.
And unlike you I realize when the message we attempted to convey (don't
shop at Basshome)became lost in the smoke screen of bullshit like your
virus warning a few days ago.
It becomes more and more obvious when you post that you are a fucking
moron and that scares me when I think you are in the same industry as
me.

You say you're only warning him and won't file a complaint. Well that's
a hell of a lot shadier than him skirting any law. You should have done
it out of duty since you claim to be concerned with the integrity of
our industry. You didn't. If you were so interested in protecting the
citizens of Florida from illegal activity you'd have filed a complaint.

You're on your moral high horse but it's not worth a shit if all you do
is talk. So far all you have done is talk, and talk, and talk, and
talk. Typical for someone in a position of power (or formerly in a
position of power). How many years have you been playing the same tune?
Change the record already.
If you are so concerned about protecting people from fraudulent
security practices then step away from the keyboard and learn how to
solve a false alarm problem without placing the customers in even
greater risk by slowing down response times with your ECV bullshit.
Up until such time you and others like you are no better than you say
he is. You're someone who is out to make a buck and will do what it
takes to protect your own interests even if it's at the expense of your
clients. My issue has less to do with him operating legally or
illegally and more to do with you hypocritical fucksticks pounding away
at how he's not in compliance when that can be said for quite a few of
his detractors.
I wouldn't buy so much as a fucking lawn sign from some of you let
alone a security system.
You and the entire ECLB can take a flying leap for all I care. Your
state is one of the worst offenders when it comes to allowing riff raff
to operate. What do you care? As long as they pay their licensing fees
and membership dues that's ok with you.
I mean look at the companies running down there and tell me how squeaky
clean your state is.
Your state is a fucking joke. I can have a license in hand TOMORROW by
doing nothing more than signing a check. Look at the ads in the back of
the trade magazines for proof.


Implying I can be bought? Maybe he's guilty now of feeding some hungry
people?
Is there really a polite way to say **** you where you eat? You will
note my statements on the hypocrisy here started before anyone knew I
was holding a food drive. Robert did what he did not to buy a pal. He
knows better than that, and he doesn't operate that way. After 8 years
of watching him it's pretty easy to determine he did that out of
kindness, not for me, but for the people being helped. I'm thankful to
him and others for helping feed hungry people. None of you would have
known had I not posted a public thank you. I posted it publically
because he and I don't accept emails from each other. We're not on each
other's buddy lists if you catch my drift.
Robert will always be an obnoxious prick (which would also describe me)
but he remains constant. I disagree with most of his business practices
as he does with mine but I don't wish him harm.

You OTOH seem to be easily swayed from whatever your stance of the day
is. ISTR you making brownies and playing pattycakes with Robert after
he referred a few clients your way. You had no problem with him then
but that was when you stood to gain something out of it. It makes no
difference if you closed the deals or not the fact remains that you
still accepted his leads.
So do us all a favor and shut the **** up about ethics until you start
practicing some.

Right click copy file save that.

Boy! I could not have said it better!
Florida, NY, CT take your pick. Most so called "authority types" are the
biggest bags of horse shit in the industry!

 

[I brive a dus]

Just ignore it Bob, he's been on some ego trip for a few months and
hasn't landed yet. <

Running your mouth again, Jeffy? Too much holiday ripple has you
growing internet balls again?

 

[Jim]

On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:49:19 GMT, Frank Olson

Maybe they were quadrupling the price, who knows. Bottom line is
that when the lower equipment prices were posted on the net, a
lot of alarm installers started squealing like stuck pigs.

Your comments about this matter, incorrect interpretation
and faulty conclusion, is, in fact, one reason why, quoting
dealer costs of parts would upset someone who owns an
installation company. But it's especially the malicious, and
antagonistic manner that DMB does it and for the
self-serving reasons.

Dealer pricing is pretty much available to anyone interested
enough to search ..... or reason it out.

It's the "malicious" , "antagonistic" and "self-serving" part
that gets stuck in the craw.

 

[Si Ballenger]

he's already admitted to downloading and designing over the phone. please
try to keep up

I can't speak to what you claim has been said before as you have
proven to be prone to fanticy thinking and lack of accuracry. The
"downloading" over the phone does sound like a serious
infraction. Care to elaborate?

have at it.

Got you on that one!

ying on line does not require any of the abilitys and such

no we're talking about a system. tape can be used to shut up your wife.
wire can be use d to tie her up. screws, well I don't know what you would
do with them.

You could use the screws to attach pieces of coral to your
children's skulls so they would look like small reindeer and make
your holiday more cheerful.

key word is 'or'. if someone is doing 'any' of the above while selling the
'system'

No where does it state that "selling the system" is included in
the definition of an alarm system contractor. If it was included,
you would need a license to sell the alarm gizmos that sound off
when windows or doors are opened and such. Below are alarm
systems that are apparently openly sold through out Florida
without alarm contractor licensing. I expect you to get the law
on these guys right away!

http://www.radioshack.com/family/index.jsp?categoryId=2032341&cp=2032060.2032330

 

[Frank Olson]

As best as I remember an "alarm station" inside of Florida where
alarms are received and handled requires licensing, and alarm
stations outside of Florida are specifically exempted from
Florida's jurisdiction concerning Florida alarm station
licensing.

You are wrong. Monitoring stations that provide service to residents of
Florida (and dispatch Florida based emergency services) require the same
licensing as a facility that operates within Florida and their personnel
require licensing as well.

Also as best as I remember (may be worth verifying)
acting solely as a broker for alarm services is also exempt from
alarm related licensing in Florida. A lot of alarm brokers are
licensed for one reason or another (looks good in a yellow pages
ad), but I don't think it is a requirement.

You're wrong again. An individual that contracts for monitoring
services in Florida (executes agreements and receives compensation for
providing those services) falls within the jurisdiction of the Florida
Statute. It doesn't matter if one of the parties to the contract may be
"out of state". In essence Robert was deemed a "contractor" in all
respects and aspects of the Law and was required to be licensed. I have
no doubt that he could pass the written examination and meet all the
requirements to get a license. He's just not interested in following
that through. Some here have "speculated" as to the reason(s) why, but
I won't go there. It's not for me to say one way or the other, besides
which Robert will only interpret that as another personal attack and the
"flame-fest" will continue. I much prefer Tom's method and support many
of the things he's stated. I really wanna see how this all plays out
over the next few days/weeks. Who knows... Maybe 2007 will be a
"banner" year...

Maybe they were quadrupling the price, who knows. Bottom line is
that when the lower equipment prices were posted on the net, a
lot of alarm installers started squealing like stuck pigs.

Really?? I never heard a single "oink".

 

[I brive a dus]

Awwww poor Jeffy is a sad sad little boy during the holidays isn't he?
It must have been depressing knowing the people around you only
included you in their plans out of obligation. Did you have an outburst
yet? Did you soak a pillow in tears yet? Poor Jeffy with nobody to
share his bipolar life with. Awwwwwww don't cry little Jeffy the folks
at the package store still luvya. Just take your itty bitty little
pills and you'll find that courage to leave the house today.
And just in case you're not 100% sure that you're bipolar, I've posted
the symptoms for you. Look them over and tell us which ones don't apply
to you.

Symptoms of depression may include:
Feeling sad or blue, or "down in the dumps"
Loss of interest in things you used to enjoy, including sex
Feeling worthless, hopeless, or guilty
Sleeping too little or too much
Changes in weight or appetite
Feeling tired or having little or no energy
Feeling restless
Problems concentrating or making decisions
Thoughts of death or suicide

Here are some behaviors that may be seen in people with bipolar
disorder. Please note some of these behaviors may also indicate a
different problem, so proper diagnosis is important.
Agitation
Alcohol or drug abuse
Irritability
Excessive gambling
Violence
Poor judgment with decisions
Careless spending, buying sprees
Talking about hurting oneself
Risky sex or change in sexual activity
Impulsive financial investments
More arguments
Change in energy level, appetite, or sleep pattern
Relationship problems at home or work
Mounting debt
Legal/criminal issues

 

[I brive a dus]

Let's see... I was five weeks old and had a "rap sheet" as long as my
diaper when I left the US. At the time, I wasn't a full fledged member
of the "Apfelstrudel" Gang, but now, I am. So be careful. "Gated
communities" aren't a problem for a nicely lettered pastry truck. <

What movie did you swipe that from? Was that Johnny Dangerously?

 

[I brive a dus]

You are wrong. Monitoring stations that provide service to residents of
Florida (and dispatch Florida based emergency services) require the same
licensing as a facility that operates within Florida and their personnel
require licensing as well. <

I remember back when Robert was selling monitoring and had contracts on
his website. The central was out of Mass. For the life of me I can't
remember their name. Anyway this is where HE not they required a
Florida license. Had he changed his address to another state he
wouldn't have needed diddly (but that's been established).
After that he provided a link to NextAlarm.
It's all a moot point since the folks in Florida are more concerned
with giving new laws nicknames than enforcing the ones already on the
books.

You're wrong again. An individual that contracts for monitoring
services in Florida (executes agreements and receives compensation for
providing those services) falls within the jurisdiction of the Florida
Statute. It doesn't matter if one of the parties to the contract may be
"out of state". In essence Robert was deemed a "contractor" in all
respects and aspects of the Law and was required to be licensed. I have
no doubt that he could pass the written examination and meet all the
requirements to get a license. He's just not interested in following
that through. Some here have "speculated" as to the reason(s) why, but
I won't go there. It's not for me to say one way or the other, besides
which Robert will only interpret that as another personal attack and the
"flame-fest" will continue. I much prefer Tom's method and support many
of the things he's stated. I really wanna see how this all plays out
over the next few days/weeks. Who knows... Maybe 2007 will be a
"banner" year... <

I'm telling ya the only way you're getting rid of him is with a
Louisville Slugger, and your best opportunity is disappearing as he
recovers from chemo. Grab a bat and get him while he's weak. If he
regains strength then you'll have to ambush him on a parkway when he's
riding that half assed tricycle.
Chasing him on Florida statutes is a waste of time for reasons I
mentioned.
But be careful what you ask for because this place will be boring
without him.

Really?? I never heard a single "oink". <

I'm lost. Who posted low prices and who complained? I wouldn't give a
rat's dirty duff about prices being posted but it burns my ass more
than a midget with a blow torch when proprietary information is posted,
when downloading software is distributed, or when people advertise
unlocking services for proprietary panels.
If at the end of the term my client wants to go elsewhere then I will
unlock the panel at no charge, but let me catch another alarm company
tinkering with one of my systems and they'll need a meat hook to remove
my foot from their ass.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Let's see... I was five weeks old and had
That's what he *says* but no one believes him. He's still holding onto the ridiculous lie of him snap-rolling a 737 which Boeing
supposedly loaned him.

 

[I brive a dus]

That's what he *says* but no one believes him. He's still holding onto the ridiculous lie of him snap-rolling a 737 which Boeing
supposedly loaned him. <

You need some new material too. The 737, jumping ladders, parts clerk
thingie is getting stale.
The Loxxon has been off the radar for awhile so that's fair game, and
where the hell is Rodney when we need him?
Honest to God the flames here are really stinky. It's getting to the
point where I'd welcome a Paul Rumplehumper post or a quick howdy doo
from the NSA goof or Soniduck. Bait Dave Houston from the home
automation geek parade in here.
We need fresh blood in here.