Florida Statute According to RLB

[Bob Worthy]

Nice try Robert. Your last response in the "free estimate" thread needs some
medication. Hopefully it isn't contagious. My "IT" person will be in Tuesday
and I will find out. If you sent some sort of virus, and after our latest
communications, I will only suspect you did it intentionally. Up until this
point, there has been no damages, other than maybe some high blood pressure
on your part. Hopefully, you didn't start something you will regret.

To answer your question from the "free estimate" thread, you have not posted
the part of the statute that pertains to why you think you are exempt from
your extra curricular business activities which are above and beyond
internet sales.

 

[Don]

To answer your question from the "free estimate" thread, you have not
posted
the part of the statute that pertains to why you think you are exempt from
your extra curricular business activities which are above and beyond
internet sales.

PART II

ELECTRICAL AND ALARM SYSTEM
CONTRACTING

489.503 Exemptions.--This part does not apply to:

(5) The sale or installation of any finished products, materials, or
articles of merchandise which are not actually fabricated into, and do not
become a permanent fixed part of, the structure. This subsection shall not
be construed to limit the exemptions provided in subsection (6).

SEEMS THAT WHAT RLB IS SELLING DOES BECOME A :FIXED PART OF THE STRUCTURE"
SO EXEMPTION DOES NOT APPLY.

489.505 Definitions.--As used in this part:

(2) "Alarm system contractor" means a person whose business includes the
execution of contracts requiring the ability, experience, science,
knowledge, and skill to lay out, fabricate, install, maintain, alter,
repair, monitor, inspect, replace, or service alarm systems for
compensation, including, but not limited to, all types of alarm systems for
all purposes.

DOES A DIY KNOW HOW TO DO THESE THINGS WITHOUT RLB HELP?

25) "Burglar alarm system agent" means a person:

(c) Whose specific duties include any of the following: altering,
installing, maintaining, moving, repairing, replacing, servicing, selling,
or monitoring an intrusion or burglar alarm system for compensation.

NOTE "SELLING" ABOVE AND BELOW

(28) "Fire alarm system agent" means a person:

c) Whose specific duties include any of the following: altering,
installing, maintaining, moving, repairing, replacing, servicing, selling,
or monitoring a fire alarm system for compensation.

489.513 Registration; application; requirements.--

(1) Any person engaged in the business of contracting in the state shall be
registered in the proper classification unless he or she is certified. Any
person desiring to be a registered contractor shall apply to the department
for registration and must:

489.518 Alarm system agents.--

(1) A licensed electrical or alarm system contractor may not employ a
person to perform the duties of a burglar alarm system agent unless the
person:

b) Has successfully completed a minimum of 14 hours of training, to include
basic alarm system electronics in addition to related training including
CCTV and access control training, with at least 2 hours of training in the
prevention of false alarms. Such training shall be from a board-approved
provider, and the employee or applicant for employment shall provide proof
of successful completion to the licensed employer. The board shall by rule
establish criteria for the approval of training courses and providers and
may by rule establish criteria for accepting alternative nonclassroom
education on an hour-for-hour basis. The board shall approve providers that
conduct training in other than the English language. The board shall
establish a fee for the approval of training providers or courses, not to
exceed $60. Qualified employers may conduct training classes for their
employees, with board approval.

489.5185 Fire alarm system agents.--

(b) Has successfully completed a minimum of 14 hours of initial training,
to include basic fire alarm system technology in addition to related
training in National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) codes and standards
and access control training, with at least 2 hours of training in the
prevention of false alarms. Such training must be from a board-approved
provider, and the employee or applicant for employment must provide proof of
successful completion to the licensed employer. The board, by rule, shall
establish criteria for the approval of training courses and providers. The
board shall approve qualified providers that conduct training in other than
the English language. The board shall establish a fee for the approval of
training providers, not to exceed $200, and a fee for the approval of
courses at $25 per credit hour, not to exceed $100 per course.

489.531 Prohibitions; penalties.--

(1) A person may not:

(a) Practice contracting unless the person is certified or registered;

(f) Knowingly give false or forged evidence to the department, the board,
or a member thereof;

h) Conceal information relative to violations of this part;

j) Willfully or deliberately disregard or violate any municipal or county
ordinance relating to uncertified or unregistered contractors.

THEN THERE IS THE PART ABOUT POSTING YOU LICENSE NUMBER ON YOUR WEBSITE.
AND WHAT ABOUT THE PART ABOUT NOT COMPLETING CONTRACTS PAID FOR? SOME OF
THOSE BBB COMPLAINTS COULD BE CONSTRUED AS UNFINISHED CONTRACTS.

Am I close Bob?

 

[Si Ballenger]

Nice try Robert. Your last response in the "free estimate" thread needs some
medication. Hopefully it isn't contagious. My "IT" person will be in Tuesday
and I will find out. If you sent some sort of virus, and after our latest
communications, I will only suspect you did it intentionally. Up until this
point, there has been no damages, other than maybe some high blood pressure
on your part. Hopefully, you didn't start something you will regret.

To answer your question from the "free estimate" thread, you have not posted
the part of the statute that pertains to why you think you are exempt from
your extra curricular business activities which are above and beyond
internet sales.

Yada, yada, yada... This debate has been going on for years. I
looked at the Florida statutes a couple of years back to see what
the deal is. Bottom line is that you need a license if you are
paid to actually install wiring in a house or business. Otherwise
you are in the same legal space as the sales associate at Radio
Shack or Home Depot. The various threats from posters to get the
state of Florida involved in these statute "violations" always
turns out to be a lot of hot air. Your "IT" person is going to
give you a look that you should remember for future reference.

 

[Don]

Yada, yada, yada... This debate has been going on for years. I
looked at the Florida statutes a couple of years back to see what
the deal is.

I hope you're not using old code books too if you're 'in the trade'? You
might get a suprise. Times change, it's soon to be 2007.

 

[Si Ballenger]

I hope you're not using old code books too if you're 'in the trade'? You
might get a suprise. Times change, it's soon to be 2007.

If anything is being done is against the law, it would have been
stopped by the state of Florida years ago per all the hot air
"I'm calling the law!" post that have been made. Most of those
that post here and consider themselves 'in the trade' also
apparently think they are a cross between a CIA agent and Batman.

 

[Don]

If anything is being done is against the law, it would have been
stopped by the state of Florida years ago

Opinions and codes change, laws change, statutes change. Read the 2006
statutes not 2003. 2003 no longer applies

 

[Robert L Bass]

Post the links to the applicable statutes that were changed in

2006 and I'll see if there is a significant difference from the
old ones. In the past posters were basing their post on their own
"fanticy thinking" and not what was actually written in the
statutes.

I checked the 20056 statute. Retailers who don't install are still not required to have a Florida electrical license. Nothing
pertaining to businesses like mine has been changed.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

=============================>
Bass Home Electronics
941-866-1100
4883 Fallcrest Circle
Sarasota · Florida · 34233
http://www.bassburglaralarms.com
=============================>

 

[I brive a dus]

Dear Jack:
Thank you for the warm holiday greetings but I must correct you. It's
not officially Christmas until you've watched A Christmas Story for 48
hours straight.

Your pal, Tom
Happy Kwanza

 

[I brive a dus]

sorry to bore you and I'm not trying to get anybody to join in. bAss posted
the statutes and requested someone show where he is violating them. I did. <

Wow that's terrific news. I never knew you practiced law. When are the
legal proceedings against Basshome starting? Have you set a preliminary
date?

I like your stories though. <

So we should be expecting new material sometime soon?

 

[I brive a dus]

No, I was the chuby girl. <

The chubby girls were always the best ones to have as your Kris
Kringle. As long as the gift had calories they'd be satisfied.

Wrong! I have never been a 12 stepper. The little bus never had that many
steps. <

You rode the Windowlicker Express to school?

 

[Frank Olson]

I checked the 20056 statute.

Wow... And what Web Browser did you use to do that?? Dang!! I'll bet
you even the lottery numbers for next Friday's draw!!!

 

[Frank Olson]

He let his license expire. It was never revoked. Did he lie on the app?
Yes.

Actually, he didn't. At least according to the info at "you know where"...

Did the State do shit about it? No. They looked at his file and
nothing happened.
You can add CT to the list of states he can re-open in if Florida ever
did anything more than talk.
There are enough reasons for a consumer to question purchasing from him
(and other online stores as well) but when you start tossing horseshit
on the pile it all ends up stinking.

I agree. For one thing I think he would enjoy far more success if he
had someone really professional design his site... It isn't very user
friendly, relies on "alarm speak" because it's primarily a "cut and
paste" job from various manufacturer's websites, and he changes the
phone numbers more often than I do my undies (the last bit is a blatant
exaggeration).

You're not someone with first hand experience when it comes to going
real life with Robert. I am. Back in 99 he was raising a stink about my
company claiming we held no CT license. From there things escalated
with both of us trying to cause harm to each other's business. He would
post silly stories claiming his friend's were receiving calls from my
telemarketers, and I would post stories about him being questioned for
pedophilia.
Back and forth on and on it went. While it was a waste of time it was
also a source of amusement. We had top shelf flame wars going back
then. Now this place is duller than the Special Olympics luge event.

I was wondering where all that came from... That just "stinks", Tom.
Bass has frequently attacked me in the Group (and even gone "real
life"), but I've never resorted to this tactic. I did file a formal
complaint at the "MyFlorida" website, but they apparently never received
it due to some "glitch" in the coding which they've since corrected. I
never re-filed because at that point, Bass' online behaviour was enough
to make any potential customer tuck tail and run. It hasn't improved
all that much since. These days all I'm asking is that he provides
proof for the more outlandish things he says... I can't remember the
last time I posted his BBB report...

Look at
Frank when he first started posting. He was french kissing Robert's ass
until Robert poked the beehive.

Gag!! P-t-oo-ie! Thanks a lot!! Now I've gotta go wash my mouth out
with Lysol and sandpaper my tongue.

Merry Christmas

And to you!!

 

[Don]

Post the links to the applicable statutes that were changed in
2006 and I'll see if there is a significant difference from the
old ones. In the past posters were basing their post on their own
"fanticy thinking" and not what was actually written in the
statutes.

rlb posted the entire statute and challenged someone to read it and point
out where he is sideways with it. So I then I picked out the relevant
sections and posted them as per his request. see above post in this thread
dated 12/22 6:44pm. for entire statute see post from rlb 12/22/06 @ 3:37 PM
to the "free estimate" thread. or
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0489/ch0489.htm

 

[Don]

Wow that's terrific news.

what's terrific news?

I never knew you practiced law.

never said I did.

When are the
legal proceedings against Basshome starting? Have you set a preliminary
date?

you seem confused.

So we should be expecting new material sometime soon?

from you? how would I know?

 

[Si Ballenger]

rlb posted the entire statute and challenged someone to read it and point
out where he is sideways with it. So I then I picked out the relevant
sections and posted them as per his request. see above post in this thread
dated 12/22 6:44pm. for entire statute see post from rlb 12/22/06 @ 3:37 PM
to the "free estimate" thread. or
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0489/ch0489.htm

489.105 (3) specifically states that a "contractor" is a person
who has *contracted* for a project for *compensation*. No
contract, not a contractor. No compenastion, not a contractor. If
a person is not a contractor per the definition of a contractor,
then the person probably does not need licensure under this
statute. Why not give an attorney $100 to get his read on this.
You can post up what the attorney says and prove your position.

489.105 Definitions.--As used in this part:

(3) "Contractor" means the person who is qualified for, and
shall only be responsible for, the project contracted for and
means, except as exempted in this part, the person who, for
compensation, undertakes to, submits a bid to, or does himself or
herself or by others construct, repair, alter, remodel, add to,
demolish, subtract from, or improve any building or structure,
including related improvements to real estate, for others or for
resale to others; and whose job scope is substantially similar to
the job scope described in one of the subsequent paragraphs of
this subsection. For the purposes of regulation under this part,
"demolish" applies only to demolition of steel tanks over 50 feet
in height; towers over 50 feet in height; other structures over
50 feet in height, other than buildings or residences over three
stories tall; and buildings or residences over three stories
tall. Contractors are subdivided into two divisions, Division I,
consisting of those contractors defined in paragraphs (a)-(c),
and Division II, consisting of those contractors defined in
paragraphs (d)-(q):

 

[I brive a dus]

Actually, he didn't. At least according to the info at "you know where"... <

According to the State of CT Department of Consumer Protection
Occupational Licensing Division his license expired. It was not
revoked. Now if someone has more accurate information than what the
issuing body offers please do tell. I love fiction.

I agree. For one thing I think he would enjoy far more success if he
had someone really professional design his site... It isn't very user
friendly, relies on "alarm speak" because it's primarily a "cut and
paste" job from various manufacturer's websites, and he changes the
phone numbers more often than I do my undies (the last bit is a blatant
exaggeration). <

You might want to take a peek at his Google Adwords campaign. He's in
the top 5 of most keywords which has to be an average per click upwards
of $1.50. Some he's bidding the minimum and others he's outbidding
everyone other than ADT and Brinks.
I'd say he's making a buck. I agree his site needs some help but who am
I to speak? My website looks like a Myspace blog (the new one launches
this week).

I was wondering where all that came from... That just "stinks", Tom. <

Nah in retrospect it was quite comical. I didn't lose a dime and I
wouldn't bet on my posts costing him money either.

Bass has frequently attacked me in the Group (and even gone "real
life"), but I've never resorted to this tactic. I did file a formal
complaint at the "MyFlorida" website, but they apparently never received
it due to some "glitch" in the coding which they've since corrected. I
never re-filed because at that point, Bass' online behaviour was enough
to make any potential customer tuck tail and run. <

How many customers would have done business with any number of us had
they seen our newsgroup conduct? He would be affected more than us by
newsgroup behavior. The difference being he advertises here and we
don't.

It hasn't improved
all that much since. These days all I'm asking is that he provides
proof for the more outlandish things he says... I can't remember the
last time I posted his BBB report... <

Seriously Frank why should he answer you? You two are fighting all the
time. He's going to provide you with more ammo? This newsgroup isn't
governed by the Marquess of Queensbury rules so your asking over and
over and over and over and over and over (get the point?) and over and
over and over (has it sunk in yet?) and over and over and over and over
(annoying isn't it?) and over and over and over and over (my constantly
posting and over isn't doing this message any justice is it?) and over
again even knowing he won't answer is silly.
Fly down to Florida, ring his doorbell, and the two of you kick each
other's ass already.
I'll give him this in that he doesn't hide his name, address, phone
number, business info, or even supplier info. All of his information is
easily accessed which gives anyone who fights with him plenty of
avenues to attack him. He's not hard to find (wait, I'll beat you to it
- unless it's a customer sending him an email - ok? better now? good
now let's move on).

You OTOH have kept your information private even though you expect
Robert to divulge more of his.
So forever and a day we see Robert post info about you selling parts at
a counter and you always refuting that info. Why won't you post where
you work? Are you worried he may do to you what you have done to him?
If that is the reason then why do you insist on continuing to poke at
him in real life?
He's not going to leave. He's not going out of business. He can duck
the laws by moving his virtual business from State to State or to
another country. He's not going to change his ways. And he's certainly
not going to answer your questions.
It's like I told Don, you're boring the shit out of me.
Either find something new to poke at him about or stop. It's old.
The flames are fucking cheesy. Between him and the 737 rolling, ladder
shock, plastic box, counter clerking, and you with the BBB, where do I
work?, Elk1, prove it nonsense this place is like Groundhog's Day but
with retards inhabiting the city.

He's still fair game on the years in business because that changes from
day to day, his posting passwords, and some questionable programming
replies are good fodder, along with posts wishing physical harm but the
other stuff on him needs to be buried in a Time capsule.

IMHO the last time I saw 2 guys so preoccupied with each other was on
Brokeback Mountain.

Neither one of you will earn anything by harming each other and you
could certainly allow yourselves more time to spend with loved ones or
making a buck if you'd stop wasting time repeating the same shit every
day.

Gag!! P-t-oo-ie! Thanks a lot!! Now I've gotta go wash my mouth out
with Lysol and sandpaper my tongue. <

Should I post the Ghost of Google's Past and really make you sick?

And to you!! <

Best wishes to you and the family Frank. Enjoy your first Christmas as
a grampa.

 

[Frank Olson]

According to the State of CT Department of Consumer Protection
Occupational Licensing Division his license expired. It was not
revoked. Now if someone has more accurate information than what the
issuing body offers please do tell. I love fiction.

What I meant by my response was that he didn't lie on his app. You say
he did.

You might want to take a peek at his Google Adwords campaign. He's in
the top 5 of most keywords which has to be an average per click upwards
of $1.50. Some he's bidding the minimum and others he's outbidding
everyone other than ADT and Brinks.
I'd say he's making a buck. I agree his site needs some help but who am
I to speak? My website looks like a Myspace blog (the new one launches
this week).

Who am I to say as well? But if he's "making a buck", then why not
spend it where it really counts? He's obviously "obsessed" with
"positioning" but I seriously doubt this Newsgroup represents even a
small "fraction" of a percentage point in "new business" for him. The
only reason he's here is to rattle a few cages. Even the guys in CHA
have never included his site in their many referrals. It's been obvious
to me that he's nothing more than a "blowhard", installer "wannabe" with
a lot of time on his hands and no life. I object to his personal
attacks and will continue to ask for proof of what he says about me (or
anyone else).

Nah in retrospect it was quite comical. I didn't lose a dime and I
wouldn't bet on my posts costing him money either.

I don't find "libel" or besmirching someone's character the least bit
"comical".

How many customers would have done business with any number of us had
they seen our newsgroup conduct? He would be affected more than us by
newsgroup behavior. The difference being he advertises here and we
don't.

Heh... "advertises"... right...

Seriously Frank why should he answer you? You two are fighting all the
time. He's going to provide you with more ammo?

Nope. I'm not askin' for him to provide anything on himself anymore.
That's a fairly useless venture. Besides, I've already concluded
everything I need to know about his "experience" (as have a number of
others).

This newsgroup isn't
governed by the Marquess of Queensbury rules so your asking over and
over and over and over and over and over (get the point?) and over and
over and over (has it sunk in yet?) and over and over and over and over
(annoying isn't it?) and over and over and over and over (my constantly
posting and over isn't doing this message any justice is it?) and over
again even knowing he won't answer is silly.

I figure my just asking (and his non-response) is enough for people to
be able to flag his "statements" as completely false and misleading.

Fly down to Florida, ring his doorbell, and the two of you kick each
other's ass already.

Not interested. If I ever fly down to Florida it'll be to visit "the
Cape", and Disney World. I'm not interested in seeing some pink "cue" ball.

I'll give him this in that he doesn't hide his name, address, phone
number, business info, or even supplier info. All of his information is
easily accessed which gives anyone who fights with him plenty of
avenues to attack him. He's not hard to find (wait, I'll beat you to it
- unless it's a customer sending him an email - ok? better now? good
now let's move on).

You OTOH have kept your information private even though you expect
Robert to divulge more of his.

Considering what he's doing here and the supposed "business" he derives
from it, it's only fair for him to "come clean". It's what my customers
would expect from me. Verifiable proof of my knowledge and expertise.
It's no different than giving someone references. You are right,
though... It is gettin' a little "lame". Sort of like beating a dead
fish with a stick.

So forever and a day we see Robert post info about you selling parts at
a counter and you always refuting that info. Why won't you post where
you work? Are you worried he may do to you what you have done to him?
If that is the reason then why do you insist on continuing to poke at
him in real life?

I don't sell anything here and if I did, I certainly would post that
info. I actually derive some amusement from the whole "Daffy Holmes"
efforts he's made to try and locate me.

He's not going to leave. He's not going out of business. He can duck
the laws by moving his virtual business from State to State or to
another country. He's not going to change his ways. And he's certainly
not going to answer your questions.
Check.


It's like I told Don, you're boring the shit out of me.

Yeah. I've gotta get more witty reposts goin'. You're hoggin' all the
limelight at the moment.

Either find something new to poke at him about or stop. It's old.
The flames are fucking cheesy. Between him and the 737 rolling, ladder
shock, plastic box, counter clerking, and you with the BBB, where do I
work?, Elk1, prove it nonsense this place is like Groundhog's Day but
with retards inhabiting the city.

He's still fair game on the years in business because that changes from
day to day, his posting passwords, and some questionable programming
replies are good fodder, along with posts wishing physical harm but the
other stuff on him needs to be buried in a Time capsule.
Check.



IMHO the last time I saw 2 guys so preoccupied with each other was on
Brokeback Mountain.

So with all of us involved it'd be "Brokeback Goofy".

Neither one of you will earn anything by harming each other and you
could certainly allow yourselves more time to spend with loved ones or
making a buck if you'd stop wasting time repeating the same shit every
day.

I've no interest in "harming" Bass, his business, or his family.

Should I post the Ghost of Google's Past and really make you sick?

Gee, would you? NOT!!!

Best wishes to you and the family Frank. Enjoy your first Christmas as
a grampa.

Now that's something you'll get no argument on!

 

[Bob Worthy]

You are in the wrong Part of the State Statute. Your quotes are coming from
489 Part I. That does not apply to the statute that governs our industy.
When you do that, it doesn't lend any credibility to your knowledge on the
subject.

 

[Don]

You are in the wrong Part of the State Statute. Your quotes are coming
from
489 Part I. That does not apply to the statute that governs our industy.
When you do that, it doesn't lend any credibility to your knowledge on the
subject.

you can lead a horse to water........

 

[Bob Worthy]

Wanna know what I think, Don? No? Great lemme tell you anyway since I
have nothing better to do.

Ya know Tom, that is exactly what I do when RBL comes off with his holier
than crap attitude

I think it's time for a new battle cry.

I don't start it and I am guilty of not dropping it. I guess it is time to
keep it all silent.

Even IF the Florida statues
decided a license was required, or if they already require it, they
haven't done diddly dick to prevent him from doing business.

Where did his monitoring ventures go right after the State visited him?
Never mind, he stopped so that is the end of that.

If such a time comes where the State poses a threat to his online
venture then he will simply quit accepting orders for a few days while
he waits for confirmation of his filing as a foreign corporation in a
state that has no license requirements, through a registered agent. He
will be up and running just like before but now without having to read
the license bullshit from people who won't do shit about it.

So then what you are saying is he is not beyond ducking the law the minute
he thinks he might have a problem. Nice! I guess that is the difference
between a parts reseller and a security professional.

It's just like that fractured fairy tale about him losing his CT
license for lying on the application.
He let his license expire. It was never revoked. Did he lie on the app?
Yes. Did the State do shit about it? No. They looked at his file and
nothing happened.
You can add CT to the list of states he can re-open in if Florida ever
did anything more than talk.

Regardless of the things that go on here, his antics don't equal a pimple on
a knats ass compared to what goes on in this state. Actually the state would
waste a nickel on him. Now if a consumer complained, it would be a different
issue. Sorta like what got the "free" deal shut down. That is why his BBB
report may be more threatening to him than anything in the licensing
statute. Remember the land scams that made Florida famous back in the 60's
and 70's. Backfired though. I wish I would have been scammed back then. That
land turned into being worth millions.

There are enough reasons for a consumer to question purchasing from him
(and other online stores as well) but when you start tossing horseshit
on the pile it all ends up stinking.

No problem. He can run rampant on this group and throw insults at anyone he
chooses on any particular day. It is all kicks and giggles to me anyway. I
can find other sources of amusement.

You're not someone with first hand experience when it comes to going
real life with Robert.

I have never went real life on RBL other than posting in this group. I do
find out about things, knowledge is power, but I have never gone beyond
that. I asked questions and people have no problem giving me answers. Not a
bad thing to be able to do.

I am. Back and forth on and on it went. While it was a waste of time it was
also a source of amusement. Now this place is duller than the Special

Olympics luge event.

Kicks and Giggles. Sorry it is boring. I guess I just have a dry since of
humor.

When he moved to Florida I called the State to question his unlicensed
activity (think it was back in either 2000 or 2001). The Florida board
at that time said there was NOTHING they could do since they didn't
govern internet businesses,

That is true. Go on the net, find a part to purchase, give a credit card
number, receive it by UPS. No license required. That is absolutely true. So
let me be the first to say it, RBL does not need a license to sell parts
over the internet. There, I have said it. Now, what about the telephone
sales he bragged about, with the hiring of sales people, a while back? It is
not important and I really don't give a rat's ass, but he can not say that,
if he is actually doing this, that he is only doing internet sales, now can
he? Since the law changed in July and dropped the word "on-site", which he
most recently posted as his out, does require a license for telephone sales.
The sales people don't need to be licensed, however they need to be
registered as Burglar Alarm Systems Agents and if they sell fire product
they also need to be Fire Alarm Systems Agents. This requires education,
backgrounds every two years, fingerprints and drug screening. End of story
and I promise to not post it again.

and they referred me elsewhere.
Where?

I read the Statute and argued with them about him selling alarms and
offering downloading and monitoring services from a Florida location.

There were some things RBL was hanging his hat on. The statute is
legislatively looked every year and changed as the times change. If you read
them five years ago, they are not the same. A word change here and there
changes the interpetation.

They asked if there was any proof that he was selling to Florida
residents and I had no such proof.

Can't complain without proof. Besides, the state has a hard time with
competitors complaining against other competitors. Whether you are or you
aren't a competitor, the state would look at it that way, especially if you
didn't have proof.

I was told that if he was selling to Florida residents that it might be
considered illegal activity (notice the word MIGHT).

Yeah and he tried to squash the sale of monitoring to Florida residents to
stay within the law as far as needing a license to do so. Being in Florida
and entering into contracts for compensation even though the client was
outside of Florida is where the interpetation of the Statute was unclear
between the two State attorneys when RBL was investigated. He decided to
quit altogether AFAIK.

One certainty is
Robert is no eligible for a Florida license.

Goes without saying even though he will say if he needed one he would go get
one. Of course I would say he can't and he would call me a worthless liar,
blah blah blah.

6 years later there is still no concrete interpretation of the statutes
because if there was, and if Robert was proven to be operating
illegally, then these threads would have ceased years ago and Robert
would be selling DIY Handjob kits or left handed monkey wrenches or
seats to the standing army.

Actually, it is more like they really don't give a crap about his antics. He
is to small of a fish to fry. I know that. Why do you think, with all my
quoteing statute do you think I have never filed a complaint?
He is so easy, if I wanted to I could get any proof I needed. A vendictive
person, which I am not, could get to him because his ego puts him at danger
of being set up. I am not going to waste the States time and money. I gotta
work with these people and regardless of what RBL thinks, I do have a good
reputation with these folks. I just like giving him high blood pressure
about his dealings when he knows I am right. Do you think he is stupid
enough to admit publically that he is wrong?

Now since none of us know the first thing about litigation, and since
Robert can do a hocus pocus and reappear in another state without
leaving his EZ chair, why not just find something new to pick at him
about?

We could start on the County Revenue Department or Florida sales tax audits,
but that might be to boring as well. Wouldn't want to be accused of going
real life either.

Bottom line is that what ever RBL posts does not in anyway shape or form
effect me. He simply doesn't like that I use his shortcomings for my own
amusement. He throws out his childish insults, which are redundant, as he
has used them all on OP going back to when I was just lurking around here.
So, sorry to have bored you. Have a Happy New Year.