There is no "testing mechanism" in use by LEO organizations for THC
concentrations in the blood. That was a lab level test, and I have
doubts about that. The cops use a metabolite test, and that test only
shows that cannabis MAY have been used at some point in the past two
MONTHS!
Yeah, and there is more than one way to interpret it as well, not to
mention that today's kids do more than they admit typically.
Then there is that FACT that different strains/species of cannabis have
different effects on a person, let alone that different persons react
differently to it one from another.
It is a stimulant in some instances, and a MILD depressant in others,
and it is certainly NOT a "narcotic", which is what it is classified as.
**** the French.
flipper said:That probably impairs driving too.
Again, DIPSHIT... cannabis has SEVERAL strains, and they do NOT all
have the same effects in them. There are at least twelve different
variants of the THC molecule alone, and that has been proven to be the
reason that different strains have different effects, and said effects
differ from person to person as well.
Again, you fucking retard, it depends on what they partook in.
One strain MAY yield your claimed failure, while another would yield
enhanced capacity to perform such "tests".
I learned to barefoot water ski shit faced stoned.
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:13:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:29:09 -0800, "Herbert John \"Jackie\" Gleason"
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:30:40 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
On Nov 17, 4:39 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:56:44 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
[snip]
You might be getting cause and effect mixed up with the
liberal/progressive tendencies. Perhaps it is the property of having a
broad education that makes one seem like a 'liberal'.
Naaaah! It's part of the mental defectiveness that thinks a label
(PhD) infuses intelligence.
Whereas Jim represents the kind of mental deficiency that fails to see
that it is kind of difficult to do the work required to get a Ph.D.
without having a fair measure of intelligence to start with - IQ tests
on people who have managed to get a Ph.D. suggest that they are pretty
much all drawn from that tail of the population with IQ's of 115 or
higher. Of course, once you've got over that threshold, your IQ-score
doesn't correlate to any significant extent with your subsequent
success.
Jim was once intelligent enough to qualify for membeship of Mensa,
which does go to show that the intelligence defined by IQ tests is a
rather narrowly applicable skill.
Slowman hits a home run.
Looked like a foul ball to me.
PhD's, in industry settings, are the least productive of all
employees... least cash-flow per dollar invested.
For example, Bob Widlar didn't even complete his undergraduate degree
until many years in industry.
And Slowman can't hold a job.
...Jim Thompson
Can you imagine working with him? Entire departments would quit, or
drop dead from sheer boredom and force-of-pontification.
John
Better than working with some holier than thou dope that refuses to use
a machine properly, because of his claim that what he has been doing
works and has worked through x dollars of sales.
You have some prejudice against x dollars of sales? Or doing what
works?
Then congratulations, you're a self made idiot.
Sorry to hear the effects are apparently permanent.
God help us.
Just the lives of others in vehicles, or whatever else an inebriated
driver might hit.
The first sign that you are full of shit is when you spout bullshit, asThe first sign of guts is to use your real name.
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:45:49 -0800, John Larkin
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:13:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:29:09 -0800, "Herbert John \"Jackie\" Gleason"
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:30:40 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
On Nov 17, 4:39 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:56:44 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
[snip]
You might be getting cause and effect mixed up with the
liberal/progressive tendencies. Perhaps it is the property of having a
broad education that makes one seem like a 'liberal'.
Naaaah! It's part of the mental defectiveness that thinks a label
(PhD) infuses intelligence.
Whereas Jim represents the kind of mental deficiency that fails to see
that it is kind of difficult to do the work required to get a Ph.D.
without having a fair measure of intelligence to start with - IQ tests
on people who have managed to get a Ph.D. suggest that they are pretty
much all drawn from that tail of the population with IQ's of 115 or
higher. Of course, once you've got over that threshold, your IQ-score
doesn't correlate to any significant extent with your subsequent
success.
Jim was once intelligent enough to qualify for membeship of Mensa,
which does go to show that the intelligence defined by IQ tests is a
rather narrowly applicable skill.
Slowman hits a home run.
Looked like a foul ball to me.
PhD's, in industry settings, are the least productive of all
employees... least cash-flow per dollar invested.
For example, Bob Widlar didn't even complete his undergraduate degree
until many years in industry.
And Slowman can't hold a job.
...Jim Thompson
Can you imagine working with him? Entire departments would quit, or
drop dead from sheer boredom and force-of-pontification.
John
Better than working with some holier than thou dope that refuses to use
a machine properly, because of his claim that what he has been doing
works and has worked through x dollars of sales.
You have some prejudice against x dollars of sales? Or doing what
works?
No.. Just a prejudice against asswipes that blatantly disregard proper
operational methods, parameters, and instructions.
Have you ever done a VOC immersion bath test on your crap after your
"cleaning" "method"?
I could point out that the researches know considerably more about it
that you
or that the 'bit' you rushed to selectively snip out of
context has no mention of 'blood' so your retort is irrational
gibberish but even that is overshadowed by you being flat ass wrong
anyway.
Unlike urine analysis, both drug metabolites and the parent
drug are readily detectable in blood.
Blood testing, especially for 'driving under the influence' tests', is
not as widespread in the U.S as in Europe because it's considered an
'invasive' procedure.
Here's a reference you will like because the conviction was reversed
and the court said the conviction was a travesty, stating "To justify
an "any amount" DUI drug law like Arizona’s or ours on the basis that
a meaningful 'per se' level cannot be fixed is an affront to the
presumption of innocence."
http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4940
However, as to blood testing "The state’s attempt to show that plasma
THC levels cannot be quantified simply backfired. Dr. Holbrook was
asked on direct, "can the level of cannabinoids in a person’s blood be
quantified using scientific testing? A: Certainly."
(T. 89) Again, by
the Solicitor on cross, "Q: Can the amount of marijuana in a person’s
blood or urine be pinpointed to an exact amount? A: Certainly.
Q: It
can be? A: Yes." (T. 91) He was also asked whether there was a
scientific basis for a 'per se' level above which marijuana can be
presumed to impair driving, and responded "Yes, I think that there
have been some human studies done that pretty well tell us that if you
have a level of marijuana in your system of say 75 to 100 [nanograms
per milliliter] that you stand a high likelihood of being
intoxicated." (T. 92) The DOT study bears out this testimony as being
accurate, and provides additional details linking actual blood
concentration levels to driving impairment."
It also highlights the dangers of simply inventing whatever B.S.
argument feels convenient at the moment,
like you do,
because the very
thing you falsely claim doesn't exist was an important factor in
reversing the conviction and striking down the law.
B.S.. in, B.S. out.
What 'tests' law enforcement may or may not use is irrelevant to the
officer writing in his report "the driver said he had smoked X joints
in the last Y hours"
Well, by all means tell us which do not cause intoxication because
that will certainly be the smoke of choice among users.
How long's the incubation period?
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:33:30 -0800, "Herbert John \"Jackie\" Gleason"
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:45:49 -0800, John Larkin
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:13:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 18:29:09 -0800, "Herbert John \"Jackie\" Gleason"
On Sat, 17 Nov 2007 09:30:40 -0800 (PST), [email protected] wrote:
On Nov 17, 4:39 pm, Jim Thompson <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-I...@My-
Web-Site.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 17:56:44 -0800, "Paul Hovnanian P.E."
[snip]
You might be getting cause and effect mixed up with the
liberal/progressive tendencies. Perhaps it is the property of having a
broad education that makes one seem like a 'liberal'.
Naaaah! It's part of the mental defectiveness that thinks a label
(PhD) infuses intelligence.
Whereas Jim represents the kind of mental deficiency that fails to see
that it is kind of difficult to do the work required to get a Ph.D.
without having a fair measure of intelligence to start with - IQ tests
on people who have managed to get a Ph.D. suggest that they are pretty
much all drawn from that tail of the population with IQ's of 115 or
higher. Of course, once you've got over that threshold, your IQ-score
doesn't correlate to any significant extent with your subsequent
success.
Jim was once intelligent enough to qualify for membeship of Mensa,
which does go to show that the intelligence defined by IQ tests is a
rather narrowly applicable skill.
Slowman hits a home run.
Looked like a foul ball to me.
PhD's, in industry settings, are the least productive of all
employees... least cash-flow per dollar invested.
For example, Bob Widlar didn't even complete his undergraduate degree
until many years in industry.
And Slowman can't hold a job.
...Jim Thompson
Can you imagine working with him? Entire departments would quit, or
drop dead from sheer boredom and force-of-pontification.
John
Better than working with some holier than thou dope that refuses to use
a machine properly, because of his claim that what he has been doing
works and has worked through x dollars of sales.
You have some prejudice against x dollars of sales? Or doing what
works?
No.. Just a prejudice against asswipes that blatantly disregard proper
operational methods, parameters, and instructions.
Have you ever done a VOC immersion bath test on your crap after your
"cleaning" "method"?
Why should we? The stuff works, the customers pay the invoices, and
you still hide behing juvenile nyms.
In case you hadn't noticed, you just admitted it can cause impaired
driving ability.
You're a goddamned idiot.
For you, there is no help.
You're an idiot. I also do not drive.
"That you"?
Sorry, but the US has been quite blatant about NOT doing any research.
The FDA as well as the DEA and FBI make daily claims that there are no
medicinal uses for THC, and they have been proven wrong thousands of
times.
Only recently has nations such as Israel created facilities specifically
for research into the medical uses for THC. I applaud them for ignoring
the shit the US started years ago when they mandated (convinced the UN to
mandate) that all UN signators have laws against cannabis.
"flat ass"? Speak english, retard boy.
The main test used for the
claim of THC use, which has several false indicators in foodstuffs alone,
is a metabolite test. Blood serum tests are done in labs, and are done
rarely as THC leaves the body rather quickly and is NOT residual.
Even in blood analysis, if the test is not taken while the person is
under the influence, there will be no THC detected. If you have it in
your blood, you will feel it. If you don't feel it, it is no longer
there.
Get a clue. Metabolites, on the other hand remain for months and
are not a valid test for being under the influence. They are used in many
states for a claim that the person is "an abuser" and they cite citizens
on that basis. The state that this country has gotten into is a very sad
state where cannabis is concerned. They even put Tommy Chong in a federal
prison, wasting US tax dollars, and NOT going after real criminals, like
Gang boy retard Snoop Dog, who paid his way out of jail recently for
unregistered gun possession, despite being a prior felon. That being a
federal offense, the little retarded gang boy bastard should be in jail
as we speak. Much more so than Martha Stuart or Tommy Chong.
You're a goddamned idiot. The laws vary from state to state. In CA
they claim to have the right to a breathalyzer, urine test or blood, and
if you refuse the first two, they TAKE blood, and you do not get to
refuse.
You're an idiot. I don't need your reference, nor do I need you
retarded assumption that I would react to it in any certain way. ****
you.
I refer you to my remark that it can only be quantified if it is there,
which means it has to be there.
It also requires direct blood analysis.
If it is days later, the invalid metabolite test method still allows
states to make the invalid claim that the person was under the influence
at the time of the test.
Except that the test used does NOT quantify cannabinoids. The tests
that ALL LEOs use quantifies metabolites only. Get a clue.
Q: It
can be? A: Yes." (T. 91) He was also asked whether there was a
scientific basis for a 'per se' level above which marijuana can be
presumed to impair driving, and responded "Yes, I think that there
have been some human studies done that pretty well tell us that if you
have a level of marijuana in your system of say 75 to 100 [nanograms
per milliliter] that you stand a high likelihood of being
intoxicated." (T. 92) The DOT study bears out this testimony as being
accurate, and provides additional details linking actual blood
concentration levels to driving impairment."
And said "study" utilized only ONE type of THC from only ONE strain of
cannabis.
It is a known fact that different strains have different effects and
that the effects even vary from person to person.
You're a goddamned idiot.
You're a goddamned retard.
Nope. The very thing they used was direct blood testing,
and the words
of a man that referred to a single mode of testing. A mode that is NOT
used in daily practice, nor will it be any time soon.
Can you quantify what a joint is, asswipe?
I think not. Also, they
are rarely consumed alone, so you cannot even quantify how much of it the
single participant received. Intake varies from person to person as well
as some can take a quarter of a "joint" in one intake, while others
barely take a puff.
Your fucking wrong. Face it. One person can consume a pound of it and
not have a problem while another may have problems after a single
inhalation. You are out of your league thinking that you know more about
than I do, or that I have some flawed logic concerning its use.
I had a girlfriend once that had MS and her DOCTOR wanted to prescribe
cannabis for her, as a single inhalation would keep her from having a
spasm all day long, yet the state and federal asswipes would not allow
it, and they wanted to put her on pheno-barb and dilantin, which are
highly addictive and have hallucinatory side effects, among others.
She is gone now, and I have ill regard for the state that allowed her to
suffer more than she needed to.
You're a goddamned idiot. The feds actually researched by way of an
entire facility in Biloxi, decades ago, a strain that had little
inebriation effects,
yet would supply the desired medicinal effects. Yet
the same agencies claim that there is no medicinal uses today.
Not at all, asswipe. For one thing, I never said anything either way
about any person's ability to drive or not be able to drive in any
condition.
I referred to the fucking tests, and the fucking tests are what I was
talking about, and since none of the fucking tests involve driving, I
hardly think you can claim impairment, or that I admitted any such
impairment.
