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Herd instincts?

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LOL, you're a fine one to be talking about grammatical/logical
errors!

F'rinstance: "Since I'm an Australian currently living in the
Netherlands this might not be the best predictor." should, to be
correct, read: "Since I'm an Australian currently living in the
Netherlands that might not be the best predictor."

This may be true in your dialect of English. It's fine in mine. Is
English your first language? Antonella Sorace - a professor of
linguistics at Edinburgh

http://www.ling.ed.ac.uk/~antonell/

has found that bilinguals asked to judge if given sentences are
grammatical, reject more sentences in their second language than do
native speakers of that second language.

It has been suggested that Texan English should qualify as a separate
language, but it is usually held that the fact that Texans don't
correctly understand standard English has more to do with the defects
of their culture than the defects of their dialect.
 
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It does not take even one year to get the measure of someone, that
gives me many decades of age variance to comfortably absorb.

So you judge them as idiots, jerks, twits and fools on the basis of
their performance at eighty. Try reading up on Alzheimer's disease.
They might have been more competent when younger. Ronald Reagan is a
case in point

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/147/story_14713_1.html

Admittedly, Brian Butterworth did detect early signs of Alzheimer's in
Reagan's speech errors when he was running for his second term as
president, but nobody took him seriously (Brian Butterworth, that is -
lots of people took Reagan seriously when he was president, though
many did think that he was no more than a glove puppet).
 
I think that it is more likely that the Europeans and Canadians come
to US because they can buy medical procedures there that look like
dangerously premature interventions to medicos outside the U.S.

My medically qualified younger brother tells me that U.S. doctors
spend a lot more money on tests than their foreign counterparts, and
are much more likely to intervene (at vast expense).

Anxious patients often want their doctors to "do something" when the
Cochrane collaboration would advise a wait-and-see approach

http://www.cochrane.org/reviews/en/ab004326.html
 
J

John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Try it sometime. I might have done better if I'd spent serious money
on advertising my services, but I really couldn't see where I could
get the message to the sort of people who might have used me as a
consultant, and I could see that I could waste a lot of money if I
failed to hit the right audience.

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LOL, That's probably the single most lame excuse for not getting off
your ass and beating the bushes I've ever heard.

Who are the sorts of people you want to go see and tell about your
remarkable "talents"?

Principals of big companies because you think that anyone else is
beneath you?

They won't give a shit because you're just another vendor and they
have bigger fish to fry, so if you target them you're doomed to
failure. Which just may be what you want, since from what I've seen
of you so far you're certainly not a go-get-em salesman, you're more
like a lazy narcissistic layabout trying to tell successful people
how they should run their productive lives/businesses, while you're
on the dole.

Kind of like a pilot fish telling a shark what to do.

You obviously aren't interested in work, but if you were, a good
entry point would be the purchasing department of a company you'd
like to team up with.

IME, Purchasing folks _love_ to talk to vendors and get the best
deal they can for their outfits.

After all, if you can demonstrate how to save a penny on a million
units and guarantee to do it for $5k, why would you not become a
hero and get the job?

OTOH, if you're looking for new design work, it sure wouldn't hurt
if someone in purchasing mentioned your name...
 
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"This" is?

I couldn't agree more, in that you don't even seem to be able to
distinguish between 'this' and 'that'.
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Is English your first language?
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That why I stated: "As I see it..." IOW: "In my opinion"

And how could there be any evidence to support the allegation?

You go through the motions and do whatever you need to make sure the
checks keep rolling in, no?
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Of course, but I do rather more than than that. In fact I could buy
off the obligation to apply for at least one job a week by taking on
some kind of volunteer work, but I've got no contacts with anybody
involved in that kind of stuff, and I really would like to find myself
another job.
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If you really wanted one of those jobs you would have gone back and
found out why you weren't even given a chance of an interview.
Well, at least _I_ would have.
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I've certainly done it when I can get through to somebody who knows
something about the work involved. Personnel departments just tell you
that you didn't fit their profile or that your CV didn't include
enough coupling points (whatever they are) which is something of a
waste of time. The guy at the Dutch Space Research Institute told me
that because I'd published papers about my work I wasn't the kind of
hands-on engineer he was looking for - which meant that he hadn't read
the paper I'd sent him.
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Well, look at it like this: You got paid for it and you obviously
had nothing else to do, so it got you out of the house for a little
while.
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It didn't get me out of the house at all, and I certainly didn't get
paid for it.

They are, and they still won't give me an interview.
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Really?

You must be qualified for _something_, one would think.
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This is one delusion that we happen to share.

Tektronix 465. Though I guess these days I'd have to buy something
that I could link to my computer.

When I was working in Venlo we had a Picoscope ADC42, which was nice
but slow - 12-bits at up to 7kHz.

And I've bought stuff on E-bay from time to time.

Yes. And it didn't take you anywhere worth visiting.
Illusions don't last.

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How long have you believed that?
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Now apply this brilliant insight to religion, which is pure delusion.
Religious leaders do warp many peoples' perceptions of reality without
having the capacity to manipulate anything that any objective observer
could describe as real, except in the trivial sense of creating real
delusions in real people's heads.

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They manipulate symbols, which are certainly real enough in some
people's minds that their realities become the movie the leader
wants them to see.
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Rather like Dubbya linking 9/11 to the invasion of Irak. That illusion
didn't last, any more than the illusory weapons of mass destruction.

Your ignorance is noted. In fact eight nieces and nephews pass on
exactly as much genetic material as four biological kids. Check out
the literature on the evolution of altruism.

See above.
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That's not the answer to the question I asked, which was:

"How would you, of all people, know?"

For example, you certainly don't know as much about chip design as
Jim does and, by your own admission, you certainly know less about
designing with 555's than I do, so your seemingly all-encompassing
inference that you know more than we do is flawed.
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Well, I obviously know more about biology than you do, and this is a
rather larger subject than the care and feeding of the 555.

You aren't up to doing what I do, so that's not an option.
Thanks a lot, but I prefer to sticking with what works, which
certainly isn't you.
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Or the 555. If your taste in cars matched your taste in integrated
circuits and your taste in political systems, you'd get around in a
horse and cart.

You may have 20-20 hearing, but your problem comes when you have to
process what you hear and read.
You're the one who's myopic.

And astigmatic, but with my glasses on I've got 20-20 vision, and I
can also _understand_ what I'm seeing and hearing.
 
[snip]

You go through the motions and do whatever you need to make sure the
checks keep rolling in, no?
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[email protected] - last week ASML (who make optical
lithography systems for semi-conductor manufacturers, which do have a
lot in common with the electron beam lithography systems that I worked
on at Cambridge Instruments) advertised a large number of electronic
engineering jobs, so I applied for the four or five that I thought I
could do. She knocked me back on all of them within a few days.

Clearly it never occurs to Slowman that he might be incompetent to
handle the position?

Of course it does, but if I don't get interviewed I don't know enough
about the position to know that, and the personnel department never
has clue about the technical demands of engineering jobs.

I've worked for a bunch of hi-tech firms in my time and I've probably
got a better idea of what ASML is doing than Jim does (or their
personnel department). The jobs that they were advertising did sound
very like the kinds of jobs I'd handled competently for other
companies.
 
There is Unemployment available, but not for the rest of your life.
It usually has a 26 week maximum. There are also programs to teach you
new skills to find other types of work. It isn't a free ride, till you
die. If you refuse to find another job, it isn't anyone else's fault.


Really? I thought that he had never had a job in the country he's
living in.

Wrong. For the first few years in the Netherlands I was working part
time at Nijmegen University, and from July 2000 to the end of May 2003
I was working full time for Haffmans BV in Venlo.
Why should they pay unemployment for jobs he held in other
countries?

They don't. I'd worked for Haffmans for long enough to qualify for the
maximum benefit.
if it was, they would turn off the free money tap.

You really don't know what you are talking about.
 
Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
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I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.

There is. It's a beaut. Check out Will Hutton's "The World We're In"
ISBN-10: 0349114714 ISBN-13: 978-0349114712.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or scientist?

My unemployment benefit is 70% of what I was getting in my last job,
and - at that time - it could run for up to five years. I think it was
recently pulled back to about three years, but not retroactively.
It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Retraining engineers to be taxi-driver and burger flippers also costs
society a lot. Will Hutton's book goes into the hidden costs of U.S.-
style "social security" and points out how the ostensibly extravagant
European aproach ends up making the Europeans richer.
 
Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
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[snip]
In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.
Maybe it is payback time
I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or scientist?
It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

And note that one American dollar now only buys 0.675675 euro.

Ripping off the work force always looks good to the employers, but it
ends up costing them money.
 
On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:11:46 -0800, JosephKK
Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:
In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.
Maybe it is payback time
I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or scientist?
It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.
Take a look at the present situation in France.
...Jim Thompson

So far, it looks like Sarkozy is winning.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1687154,00.html

He's obviously conceded enough to get the unions back to the
negotiating table. An unbiased observer might see that as a tactical
victory for the unions.
 
Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:11:46 -0800, JosephKK
Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
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[snip]
In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.
Maybe it is payback time
I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does
not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or
scientist? It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.
Take a look at the present situation in France.
...Jim Thompson
May i presume you mean the wilfully ill educated children of
immigrants? Or did you have some other situation in mind.

No I was referring to what happens when everyone is on the dole.

As opposed to the U.S. scheme of putting "everybody" in prison -
putting them on the dole is cheaper.
 
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You are just conning yourself. The US has had its comeuppance coming
for some decades now, and Europe and Japan will follow. Buy yuan now
to avoid going bankrupt.

You forget than I am an Australian citizen, planning on returning to
Australia in a few years, where we spend a lot of our time diiging up
stuff to sell to China and Japan

http://www.dfat.gov.au/geo/fs/aust.pdf
 
J

John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:11:46 -0800, JosephKK

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:

[snip]

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does
not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or
scientist? It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

...Jim Thompson

May i presume you mean the wilfully ill educated children of
immigrants? Or did you have some other situation in mind.

No I was referring to what happens when everyone is on the dole.

...Jim Thompson


It could well be that europe is in for interesting times. Sarcozy is
trying to deal with the demographic landslide that is on the way down
the mountain and maybe can't be stopped.

And there's no actual basis for the run-up of the euro, so it may well
be a bubble. Anyone who cheers the appreciation of the euro as they
would cheer a football score probably hasn't thought out the
consequences.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/11/23/bcneuro122.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma...007/11/23/bcnbba122.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox


This is especially radical:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/business/ambrosevanspritchard/nov07/europe-exchange-control.htm

Meanwhile, I'm selling a bunch of stuff to Pratt&Whitney and GE and
Boeing. I wonder what the euro thing, and a potential Airbus crash,
will do to Rolls Royce jet engine sales?

John
 
Reading stuff you don't understand can be kind of boring - at least
until you do get to understand it. Since you don't seem to understand
much, you could well find my posts boring.

You'd probably be better off concentrating on stuff you can understand
- 101 things a boy can do with a 555, and the like.
 
C

ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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False, actually.


There's no way of distinguishing between my genes and my predecessor's
genes (give or take the very occasional mutation). If I'd had kids
they would only have got half my genes anyway, so there isn't a lot in
it.


But YOUR genes are NOT going to be found in your nieces' and nephews'
kids, dumbfuck!
 
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LOL, That's probably the single most lame excuse for not getting off
your ass and beating the bushes I've ever heard.

Who are the sorts of people you want to go see and tell about your
remarkable "talents"?

Principals of big companies because you think that anyone else is
beneath you?

What sort of cloud-cuckoo land do you live in?

Principals of big companies don't have a clue about the sort of
detailed engineering that I work on and could reasonably expect to
sell. I did get to know the managing directors of most of the
companies I worked for, but mainly because I knew weird stuff that the
other engineers hadn't been exposed to, which isn't really a saleable
skill.

Purchasing departments know even less about detailed engineering, and
never got to select sub-contract designers at any place where I've
worked, though they often did negotiate the contract details, with a
lot of input from engineering .

Save your lame advice for people who know even less than you do.
 
J

Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 18:11:46 -0800, JosephKK

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:

[snip]

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does
not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or
scientist? It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

...Jim Thompson

May i presume you mean the wilfully ill educated children of
immigrants? Or did you have some other situation in mind.

No I was referring to what happens when everyone is on the dole.

...Jim Thompson


It could well be that europe is in for interesting times. Sarcozy is
trying to deal with the demographic landslide that is on the way down
the mountain and maybe can't be stopped.

And there's no actual basis for the run-up of the euro, so it may well
be a bubble. Anyone who cheers the appreciation of the euro as they
would cheer a football score probably hasn't thought out the
consequences.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/11/23/bcneuro122.xml

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ma...007/11/23/bcnbba122.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox


This is especially radical:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/business/ambrosevanspritchard/nov07/europe-exchange-control.htm

Meanwhile, I'm selling a bunch of stuff to Pratt&Whitney and GE and
Boeing. I wonder what the euro thing, and a potential Airbus crash,
will do to Rolls Royce jet engine sales?

John

I've always fretted over the artificiality of the monetary markets...
drawing my own conclusions from the basis economies.

We're booming... Europeons think they are riding high. I think it's a
Hitleresque ride-up before the big crash. Wonder if the Europeons
will try to blame the Jews again ?:)

...Jim Thompson
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
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[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
When we moved up to Cambridge in 1982, I was able to choose between
two possilbe jobs, which I found pretty remarkable.

I find that remarkable too.
I am pretty good at what I do, but that doesn't mean that there are
that many people around at any given time who need to hire someone new
with my specific skills.

IOW, you're useless.
There are occasions when new technology opens up a new market and
everybody is trying to develop new hardware, and people with the right
skills are inundated with job offers, but it doesn't happen often, and
it doesn't last long.

Nonsense. Work is readily available for the well qualified.
The same bureaucratic system that pays my unemployment benefit also
cost me my last job. If that is the way the Dutch want to organise
their system, who am I to argue with it?

Nice system you got there. You're a bumb in a bum's country, and
like it.
My wife's income, on it's own, would be perfectly adequate. I resigned
from a perfectly satisfactory job in the U.K. so that my wife could
take a - very good - job in the Netherlands that paid rather more than
we'd been getting from our two reasonably well-paid jobs in the U.K.

....and have been bumming off her ever since. You forgot to mention
that bumming off the taxpayer makes it even more comfortable.
We can afford a cleaning lady. She did her fours hours today, as she
does every week.

Your alter-ego?
There's a guy who does a morning in the garden every week too - like
me, he did a Ph.D. in Chemistry, but he moved into gardening rather
than electronics.

At least he has a job. How does it feel to be living off his work?
I used to do the garden when we lived in Cambridge, but we've got half
an acre here, and I can't keep up. The trees are a real problem - we
finally got hold of a tree-feller a couple of weeks ago, and he cut
back the beech the week before last, and took out the dead birch last
week.

A lazy bum too. A half acre is a piece of cake, particularly for the
unemployed.
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
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Hmm, so it's a one way system in your counrty.

It *SHOULD* be everywhere. No one should be getting a free ride at
the expense of everyone else. Apparently you're a bum wannabe.
Guys pay money into the
gubberment, but no money out, unless it's to corporations?

Corporations? Who said anything about corporations? We're
discussing Sloman, the bum.
In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably paid
a lot of tax.

Mrs. S. is hardly needy, as Mr. Ass tells the story. No, the
government shouldn't "help" his lazy ass out (except, of the
country).
Maybe it is payback time

That's a piss poor way to look at life. I suppose it's natural for a
socialist Europeon to think that way though.
 
K

krw

Jan 1, 1970
0
Jim said:
On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 11:33:30 -0800, "Herbert John \"Jackie\" Gleason"

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:45:49 -0800, John Larkin

On Sun, 18 Nov 2007 09:13:23 -0700, Jim Thompson
[snip]

And Slowman can't hold a job.

...Jim Thompson


Can you imagine working with him? Entire departments would quit, or
drop dead from sheer boredom and force-of-pontification.

John

Better than working with some holier than thou dope that refuses to use
a machine properly, because of his claim that what he has been doing
works and has worked through x dollars of sales.

You have some prejudice against x dollars of sales? Or doing what
works?

John

"Herbie" doesn't like being told he's inadequate ;-)


All of dimBulb's socks are inadequate. :(
Can you imagine how bad it would be if they/he were/was adequate?
 
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