Herd instincts?

[Jim Thompson]

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:
[snip]

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or scientist?
It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

...Jim Thompson

So far, it looks like Sarkozy is winning.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1687154,00.html


John

I certainly hope so.

...Jim Thompson

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

True that!

They MIGHT keep his predecessor's genes going, but not his, unless
things are like you said they'd have to be.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

Wow! You're not only stupid, Dimbulb, but have zero sense of humor.

That was humor, dumbass.

 

[John Fields]

Sure he can. But he finds it "boring" to be reminded that he doesn't
know as much about biology as he'd like to think.

---
Regardless of what you may think he knows or doesn't know, he's
right about you being boring.

It seems that no matter what was going on in a thread before you
join it, soon thereafter you'll be ranting about the stupidity of
GWB, the inadequacy of the US health care system, and the slow
demise of the American economic system, all couched in a patronizing
tone which does become monotonous when it happens over and over and
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again.

 

[Jim Yanik]

Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

in
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:49:51 -0800, "Dan Coby"

[snip]

So why are you doing political postings on news groups that are
supposed to be electronics oriented?


Because I am the Guru Grande of All Things Electronic. Between
questions from the paisanos I post political injections... someone
has to set the world straight ;-)

...Jim Thompson

usually,your posts are more reactions to "liberal" comments from the
Leftists who post on S.E.D.,than beginning such threads.

I DO initiate threads. Since I have Talk Radio or TV going
constantly in the background I catch a lot of things when they first
happen.

...Jim Thompson

Your idea of worthwhile current news sources is rather tame. You have
to actively search for really up to date stuff. Try attaching feeds
to the newswire organizations, they are hours to days ahead of talk
radio.

trouble is,AP and other media sources often do not print the ENTIRE article
written by one of their people.The Orlando Sentinel and the AP site itself
both posted an article on guns,and both of them omitted the part of their
own AP article that mentioned use of firearms in defense on school
campuses,but the Fox version of that same article included it.
You just can't TRUST the media these days.

 

[ChairmanOfTheBored]

soon thereafter you'll be ranting about the stupidity of
GWB, the inadequacy of the US health care system, and the slow
demise of the American economic system, all couched in a patronizing
tone which does become monotonous when it happens over and over and

snip


There are more than a few regular posters here that pull this retarded
horseshit.

 

[John Fields]

Wrong again. I've got two brothers, and all three of us have got a
(different) random mix of our parents genes, so we have about half our
genes in common. My nieces and nephews have each got half of that, so
they've got a quarter of my genes - eight of them mean that there are
twice as many of my genes out there than my original allocation.

---
Not _your_ genes, which have never been passed on, somebody else's
from whom you got a set.
---

This
is worked out again and again in every article on the evolution of
altruistic behaviour, though it turns out to be less important there
than was originally thought - doing good things for other members of
your tribe turns out to generate enough of a survival advantage to
positively selected.

---
But doing good things for your tribe isn't exactly the same as
generating progeny, is it?
---

I'm pointing it out to an abysmally ignorant and decidedly vocal
minority on this user-group who do seem to be rather slow to get the
message.

---
The message???

LOL, all that's about is you shouting at the top of your lungs, over
and over and over again: "I'M GREAT AND YOU"RE SHIT!!!"

Moreover, you're not pointing anything out, all you're trying to do
is berate your critics, whom you like to picture as few in number
and abysmally ignorant in order to not have to consider their
critiques valid.
---

This would be more correctly described as idiot-bashing, but
since you choose to line up with the idiots, this view of the
situation isn't one that you be likely to appreciate.

---
Funny, I consider idiot-bashing to be bashing done by an idiot, (as
in: "Do you see that idiot bashing the President?") and I'm
certainly not in line with you and the rest of your cohorts.
---

I dislike seeing errors of fact propagated into an archived record.

---
As long as they're not yours, huh?
---

If
someone goes to the trouble of pointing out that they are errors, the
gullible have at least been warned.

[/QUOTE]

Telling people that they are wrong does upset them. If you try to be
diplomatic enough not to offend them, the idea that they are being
told that they are wrong doesn't actually penetrate. [/QUOTE]

---
The source of the irritation is the reaction to your perpetual
insistence that you're always right about everything and all of the
rest of us are always wrong unless we buy your belief set.
---

But it looks as if they will charge you if you have any capacity to
pay,

---
Yes, of course, idiot. While it's private and not-for-profit, there
_are_ expenses.
---

and the level of care offered to the indigent is unlikely to be
impressive.

---
Jesus, what an asshole you are. You can't even bear to admit that
there are good people in the world.
---

We had a similar system in Australia in the 1960's, and I
knew a woman who worked on the Melbourne poverty survey at the time.
Unexpected health costs were the most frequent cause of families
falling into poverty.

---
What "similar system"? Seton is private and not-for-profit.
---

You may feel good about it, but it is a drop in the bucket compared
with the total costs of health care.

---
You're a hateful son of a bitch, you know that?

You're trying to trivialize the importance of the contribution by
comparing apples and oranges and yet you have the unmitigated gall
to state that you don't want lies written into the archive?

You're one sick puppy, Sloman.
---

In Europe health care is paid for
out of tax or by compulsory health insurance (which comes to the same
thing). The bureacracy involved isn't cheap, but it is lot cheaper
than the baroque bureaucracies than run your health system, which is
one of the reasons you waste 14% of GDP on a health system that
doesn't deliver the level of health care we get in Europe for around
8% of GDP.

---
If it's badly broke enough we'll fix it when we get around to it.
Or not. As for your system, if it works I'm happy for ya.

Your United States of Europe seems to be doing OK, too, so I guess
you have to grudgingly admit that you learned _something_ from us.

 

[Jim Thompson]

[snip]

[/QUOTE]

The Arizona equivalent is AHCCCS (the Arizona Health Care Cost
Containment System)

http://www.ahcccs.state.az.us/site/

Arizona's is not hospital-specific

That's a certainty! (Spell checker wanted to make that "cretin" when
I stumble typed ;-)

So why is it the Europeons and Canadians troop to the US when they
need some kind of critical quality medical care?

---
If it's badly broke enough we'll fix it when we get around to it.
Or not. As for your system, if it works I'm happy for ya.

Your United States of Europe seems to be doing OK, too, so I guess
you have to grudgingly admit that you learned _something_ from us.

...Jim Thompson

 

[JosephKK]

Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:
[snip]

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does
not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or
scientist? It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

...Jim Thompson

May i presume you mean the wilfully ill educated children of
immigrants? Or did you have some other situation in mind.

 

[JosephKK]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Another right-wing delusionist. Have you checked how many euro's a
U.S. dollar will buy recently? Today a single U.S. dollar will buy
0.676 euro's, but the U.S. dollar has been falling for some time.
Check out

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi

for the current exchange rate.

The US seems to have finally gotten around to globalising its
economy back down to third world status - it's healthcare never has
never risen above that level.

As Will Hutton pointed out in 2002 in "The World We're In" ISBN-10:
0349114714 ISBN-13: 978-0349114712 the European approach works
rather better than the American system, and current economic events
do support his case. You may elect elect yourselves a more
economically competent administration and get yourselves sorted out
over the next ten or twenty years, but the prospects aren't good -
your employing class has a long history of skimping on investment in
your employee class, and the era when you could expect to fill the
expertise gap with skilled immigrants is drawing to a close,

You are just conning yourself. The US has had its comeuppance coming
for some decades now, and Europe and Japan will follow. Buy yuan now
to avoid going bankrupt.

 

[JosephKK]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Try it sometime. I might have done better if I'd spent serious money
on advertising my services, but I really couldn't see where I could
get the message to the sort of people who might have used me as a
consultant, and I could see that I could waste a lot of money if I
failed to hit the right audience.

It will take you a few years, but start building your contacts now.
Then in a couple of years you can find the work.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:
[snip]

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does
not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or
scientist? It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

...Jim Thompson

May i presume you mean the wilfully ill educated children of
immigrants? Or did you have some other situation in mind.

No I was referring to what happens when everyone is on the dole.

...Jim Thompson

 

[Jim Thompson]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design: [snip]

So hang out your shingle and go consulting, if your skills are near
what you say they are you should not have any trouble getting all
the business you want.

Try it sometime. I might have done better if I'd spent serious money
on advertising my services, but I really couldn't see where I could
get the message to the sort of people who might have used me as a
consultant, and I could see that I could waste a lot of money if I
failed to hit the right audience.

It will take you a few years, but start building your contacts now.
Then in a couple of years you can find the work.

Slowman is already too well known ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[JosephKK]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

You may have to wait a while. If I were an American male you could -
on average - expect that you'd have to wait another seventeen years.
Since I'm an Australian currently living in the Netherlands this
might not be the best predictor

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/DYB2002/Table22.pdf

So how old are you? If you've personally seen all these people live
for eight decades and more you've got to be over 80 yourself ...

It does not take even one year to get the measure of someone, that
gives me many decades of age variance to comfortably absorb.

 

[JosephKK]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

It depends on the nature of the disagreement. There are some
responses that deserve derision, and this is certainly one of them.

You are letting your imagination run away with you. You haven't got
a shred of evidence to support this libellous allegation. Try
e-mailing [email protected] - last week ASML (who make
optical lithography systems for semi-conductor manufacturers, which
do have a lot in common with the electron beam lithography systems
that I worked on at Cambridge Instruments) advertised a large number
of electronic engineering jobs, so I applied for the four or five
that I thought I could do. She knocked me back on all of them within
a few days.

As far as keeping my unemployment benefit goes, this was a complete
waste of time, because I've got a to give a contact phone number for
each job that I claim to have applied for, and the ASML
advertisement didn't give any such number, nor did their web-site.

And you could not be bothered to even try to look them up in the
telephone directory?

The chance that I'd get anything out of them was very low - I did
get an interview out of them back in 1994, for what turned out to be
a job where I didn't have much to offer (which hadn't been obvious
from the ad) but nothing since - but it's fairly clear that they are
getting pretty desperate at the moment, so it seemed worth giving
them one more try.

I'd even be willing to bet that you've botched interviews on
purpose so that you don't have to go back to work.

You'd lose.

After all, why should you? As you've admitted, with what you and
your wife both bring in you're comfortable, so there's no real
incentive for you to get back in the race.

You've got to be kidding. I enjoy doing serious electronics, and I
can't really do the kind of stuff I like doing at home - my wife and
I may be comfortable, but a decent oscilliscope is out of my range.

Answering questions around here is a poor substitute, but its what I
can get.

 

[JosephKK]

Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Jim Thompson [email protected] posted
to sci.electronics.design:

Jim Thompson <[email protected]>
wrote in
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:49:51 -0800, "Dan Coby"

[snip]

So why are you doing political postings on news groups that are
supposed to be electronics oriented?


Because I am the Guru Grande of All Things Electronic. Between
questions from the paisanos I post political injections...
someone has to set the world straight ;-)

...Jim Thompson

usually,your posts are more reactions to "liberal" comments from
the Leftists who post on S.E.D.,than beginning such threads.

I DO initiate threads. Since I have Talk Radio or TV going
constantly in the background I catch a lot of things when they
first happen.

...Jim Thompson

Your idea of worthwhile current news sources is rather tame. You
have
to actively search for really up to date stuff. Try attaching feeds
to the newswire organizations, they are hours to days ahead of talk
radio.

Fox seems to catch a number of items BEFORE they appear on the BBC.

...Jim Thompson

I was talking about Reuters, UP, AP etc.,
Toss Al Jazeera into the mix as well.

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

There would be more without the socialist benefits employers are required to
provide which makes hiring older people too expensive.

And you could not be bothered to even try to look them up in the
telephone directory?

Sorry, but that's not logical. If he'd done that it would only serve the
purpose of qualifying for benefits.

 

[John Fields]

So why is it the Europeons and Canadians troop to the US when they
need some kind of critical quality medical care?

 

[[email protected]]

There would be more without the socialist benefits employers are required to
provide which makes hiring older people too expensive.

That isn't actually the problem - there are ways of side-stepping the
sick leave problem, which is the only one that would actually make an
elderly employee more expensive than a younger employee,

The real problem is that Dutch personnel departments have got into the
habit of seeing elderly employees as people to be got rid of - when
unemployment was really high in the Netherlands, some twenty-odd years
ago, early retirement was encouraged to make room for younger
employees, and rapidly became the norm, even after the economy had got
back into balance. The Dutch governemnt now pays lip service to the
idea of keeping people at work and encouraging the elderly to get back
to work, but they haven't invested any money or effort into making it
happen

ASML is certainly in the telephone directory, but it is spread over
several sites, and trying to get hold of the phone number of a
specific personnel officer is tedious and time-consuming. It was
quicker to find another job to apply for where the ad included a
telephone number - as they almost always do

Sorry, but that's not logical. If he'd done that it would only serve the
purpose of qualifying for benefits.

Well, I could have called her up and asked why she'd found it so easy
to knock me back, but she would only have replied that I hadn't fitted
their profile - and they never say anything specific about the
profile.

 

[[email protected]]

True that!

False, actually.

They MIGHT keep his predecessor's genes going, but not his, unless
things are like you said they'd have to be.

There's no way of distinguishing between my genes and my predecessor's
genes (give or take the very occasional mutation). If I'd had kids
they would only have got half my genes anyway, so there isn't a lot in
it.