Herd instincts?

[[email protected]]

It depends on the nature of the disagreement. There are some responses
that deserve derision, and this is certainly one of them.

You are letting your imagination run away with you. You haven't got a
shred of evidence to support this libellous allegation. Try e-mailing
[email protected] - last week ASML (who make optical
lithography systems for semi-conductor manufacturers, which do have a
lot in common with the electron beam lithography systems that I worked
on at Cambridge Instruments) advertised a large number of electronic
engineering jobs, so I applied for the four or five that I thought I
could do. She knocked me back on all of them within a few days.

As far as keeping my unemployment benefit goes, this was a complete
waste of time, because I've got a to give a contact phone number for
each job that I claim to have applied for, and the ASML advertisement
didn't give any such number, nor did their web-site.

The chance that I'd get anything out of them was very low - I did get
an interview out of them back in 1994, for what turned out to be a job
where I didn't have much to offer (which hadn't been obvious from the
ad) but nothing since - but it's fairly clear that they are getting
pretty desperate at the moment, so it seemed worth giving them one
more try.

I'd even be willing to bet that you've botched interviews on purpose
so that you don't have to go back to work.

You'd lose.

After all, why should you? As you've admitted, with what you and
your wife both bring in you're comfortable, so there's no real
incentive for you to get back in the race.

You've got to be kidding. I enjoy doing serious electronics, and I
can't really do the kind of stuff I like doing at home - my wife and I
may be comfortable, but a decent oscilliscope is out of my range.

Answering questions around here is a poor substitute, but its what I
can get.
The boredom would probably kill me.

Your reality. Which does seem to be based on your rather limited
imagination.

Illusions don't last.

But, I think you're trying to change the subject since that's not
what we were talking about, which was that if someone in touch with
reality wants to successfully warp someone else's perception of
reality then he must, at least, be capable of manipulating reality.
That, of course, implies a knowledge of reality adequate to allow
its perception to be warped.
---

Now apply this brilliant insight to religion, which is pure delusion.
Religious leaders do warp many peoples' perceptions of reality without
having the capacity to manipulate anything that any objective observer
could describe as real, except in the trivial sense of creating real
delusions in real people's heads.

Nope, but I've got enough nieces and nephews (8) to pass.

You both make it blindingly obvious here from time to time.

---
Ah, I see...

If only I'd accept your view of reality and "mend my ways" in order
to trudge down "Sloman's way" in lock-step with you that'd solve all
the problems you perceive I have?

I doubt it. What works for me probably wouldn't work for you, because
you don't seem to have the intellectual skills to construct a coherent
argument (see above) nor the background to make sense of the kind of
stuff I read. But don't lose heart - you could come a long way just by
reading a decent newspaper (the Christian Science Monitor is a lot
better than it's name suggests).

Sounds to me like it's _you_ who's got the problem, buddy-boy!

Yes, that _is_ one of your problems.

 

[JosephKK]

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Hmm, so it's a one way system in your counrty. Guys pay money into
the gubberment, but no money out, unless it's to corporations?

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or scientist?
It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

 

[JosephKK]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Nice try. In fact I've never had any trouble holding a job once I've
got it (granting that the job has continued to exist).

Jim Thompson has managed to confuse getting a job - where I've not
been doing too well recently, probably because I'm too old to suit
Dutch personnel departments - with holding a job.

Getting a job requires moderately well developed presentation skills
- not an area where I've put in a lot of effort.

Holding a job requires that you do the work, and I've always done it
better than most.

Jim is - as usual - out of touch with reality - which probably helps
him present his (admittedly above average) design skills as if he
was another Bob Widlar, Hans Camenzind or Barry Gilbert. Guys like
that do get hired, but they don't last - and Jim did leave Motorola
because they didn't want to keep on using his team.

So hang out your shingle and go consulting, if your skills are near
what you say they are you should not have any trouble getting all the
business you want.

 

[JosephKK]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

You and Jim are remarkably confident on this point. Unfortunately,
this confidence is represents complacent ignorance. You don't see
much of what is - in large part because you get your news from news
networks who see themselves as part of the entertainment industry,
and don't waste good entertainment time telling you much about the
world outside the Unites States, and don't risk aggravating their
audience by telling them that their preconceptions aren't entirely
correct.

Your approach has a lot in common with Dubbya's approach to global
warming. He has access to the best scientific advice available, and
choses not only to ignore it, but also goes out of his way to make
sure that that advice isn't published by any civil servant he can
control.

You may think that this approach is no worse than anybody else's,
but unfortunately, you happen to be wrong.

Ignorance is a capital offense, and the universe eventually carries
out the sentence.

I am waiting for it to execute you.
I am not holding my breath. I have seen way too many idiots, jerks
twits, fools and other marginal persons live 8 decades or more.

 

[JosephKK]

Michael A. Terrell [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

See what happens when you do your 'sloman' impersonation?

Somehow, i can't picture Jim doing anything so self demeaning as that.

 

[JosephKK]

Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:49:51 -0800, "Dan Coby"
[snip]

So why are you doing political postings on news groups that are
supposed to be electronics oriented?


Because I am the Guru Grande of All Things Electronic. Between
questions from the paisanos I post political injections... someone
has to set the world straight ;-)

...Jim Thompson

usually,your posts are more reactions to "liberal" comments from the
Leftists who post on S.E.D.,than beginning such threads.

I DO initiate threads. Since I have Talk Radio or TV going
constantly in the background I catch a lot of things when they first
happen.

...Jim Thompson

Your idea of worthwhile current news sources is rather tame. You have
to actively search for really up to date stuff. Try attaching feeds
to the newswire organizations, they are hours to days ahead of talk
radio.

 

[JosephKK]

John Larkin [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

Civility is not a leftist virtue; it is bourgeois and old-fashioned,
practiced by Christians, old farts, and similar non-progressives.

John

It is not practiced by many so called Christians. Civility is
worthwhile in and of itself, you seem to practice it yourself.

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

I am waiting for it to execute you.

You may have to wait a while. If I were an American male you could -
on average - expect that you'd have to wait another seventeen years.
Since I'm an Australian currently living in the Netherlands this might
not be the best predictor

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/DYB2002/Table22.pdf

I am not holding my breath. I have seen way too many idiots, jerks
twits, fools and other marginal persons live 8 decades or more,

So how old are you? If you've personally seen all these people live
for eight decades and more you've got to be over 80 yourself ...

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:


White collar welfare. It will be the final demise of modern European
civilization in ten to twenty years. I hope you will like becoming a
new third world country.

Another right-wing delusionist. Have you checked how many euro's a
U.S. dollar will buy recently? Today a single U.S. dollar will buy
0.676 euro's, but the U.S. dollar has been falling for some time.
Check out

http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi

for the current exchange rate.

The US seems to have finally gotten around to globalising its economy
back down to third world status - it's healthcare never has never
risen above that level.

As Will Hutton pointed out in 2002 in "The World We're In" ISBN-10:
0349114714 ISBN-13: 978-0349114712 the European approach works rather
better than the American system, and current economic events do
support his case. You may elect elect yourselves a more economically
competent administration and get yourselves sorted out over the next
ten or twenty years, but the prospects aren't good - your employing
class has a long history of skimping on investment in your employee
class, and the era when you could expect to fill the expertise gap
with skilled immigrants is drawing to a close,

 

[[email protected]]

[email protected] [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:










So hang out your shingle and go consulting, if your skills are near
what you say they are you should not have any trouble getting all the
business you want.

Try it sometime. I might have done better if I'd spent serious money
on advertising my services, but I really couldn't see where I could
get the message to the sort of people who might have used me as a
consultant, and I could see that I could waste a lot of money if I
failed to hit the right audience.

 

[[email protected]]

I can't read his posts. They're like being beaten with a boring stick.

Sure he can. But he finds it "boring" to be reminded that he doesn't
know as much about biology as he'd like to think.

 

[John Fields]

Provided that Dubbya's self-indulgent attitude to global warming
doesn't wipe them out with some kind of mass extinction event. It's
unlikely that we'll hit one of the potential positive feeback trigger
points before we can do something about it, but the head in the sand
approach doesn't inspire confidence.


My nieces and nephews (there are eight of them) should keep my genes
in circulation for a while yet,

---
Not unless there's some hanky-panky you haven't told us about, they
won't!
---

and I've got a couple of published and
cited papers which could be seen as an intellectual legacy, not that
there seems to be that much point in getting fussed about it. Once you
are dead, you are out of it.


The bile seems to be yours.

---
IKYABWAI?

How clever.
---

There are quite a few Americans whose view
of the world isn't limited by the blinkers imposed by your news
networks, and I've no interest in "bashing" them.

I am interested in trying to get people like you and Jim to recognise
that your society - as a whole - doesn't deal well with certain social
problems which other countries handle rather better. Your health care
system is the classic example - you spend more on health care than
anybody else, about 14% of your GDP, and have poorer public health
statistics than much poorer countries (Cuba comes to mind). The French
and the Germans do appreciably better while spending around 8% of the
GDP on health care

Pointing this out may be America-bashing.

---
Pointing it out isn't America bashing, but perpetually harping on it
as being due to stupid leadership and an abysmally ignorant
population, as you are wont to do, is.

Besides, it's our problem, so what do you care other than to have
something you can bitch about?
---

but any damage I might be
doing is trivial in comparison with the damage caused by the
inadequacies of your extravagantly expensive health care system.

---
Again, why do you care?
---

Shooting the messenger isn't a constructive solution, but it does seem
to be the best that you and Jim can come up with.

---
I'm not shooting the messenger, I'm merely pointing out that you're
an unmitigated asshole when it comes to relating to people whom you
consider to be your inferiors because they disagree with you.

As far as constructive solutions goes, I don't know about Jim's case
in Arizona, but here in Texas we have the Seton Healthcare Network:

http://www.seton.net/

where no one is turned away because of inability to pay.

Matter of fact, last year we contributed $237 million to care for
the poor and for community benefit.

I say 'we' because I volunteer there, so part of that $237 million
is time out of my life that I gave away to help someone less
fortunate.

Somewhat different from your fantasy job hunts or sitting on your
ass typing out rancor for everyone and everything to which you don't
grant your imprimatur while waiting for the government checks to
come rolling in, yes?

 

[krw]

Liar!

Wow! You're not only stupid, Dimbulb, but have zero sense of humor.

 

[Jim Thompson]

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:
[snip]

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or scientist?
It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

...Jim Thompson

 

[Jim Thompson]

Jim Thompson [email protected] posted to
sci.electronics.design:

in
On Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:49:51 -0800, "Dan Coby"
[snip]

So why are you doing political postings on news groups that are
supposed to be electronics oriented?


Because I am the Guru Grande of All Things Electronic. Between
questions from the paisanos I post political injections... someone
has to set the world straight ;-)

...Jim Thompson

usually,your posts are more reactions to "liberal" comments from the
Leftists who post on S.E.D.,than beginning such threads.

I DO initiate threads. Since I have Talk Radio or TV going
constantly in the background I catch a lot of things when they first
happen.

...Jim Thompson

Your idea of worthwhile current news sources is rather tame. You have
to actively search for really up to date stuff. Try attaching feeds
to the newswire organizations, they are hours to days ahead of talk
radio.

Fox seems to catch a number of items BEFORE they appear on the BBC.

...Jim Thompson

 

[[email protected]]

Wrong again. I've got two brothers, and all three of us have got a
(different) random mix of our parents genes, so we have about half our
genes in common. My nieces and nephews have each got half of that, so
they've got a quarter of my genes - eight of them mean that there are
twice as many of my genes out there than my original allocation. This
is worked out again and again in every article on the evolution of
altruistic behaviour, though it turns out to be less important there
than was originally thought - doing good things for other members of
your tribe turns out to generate enough of a survival advantage to
positively selected.

Pointing it out isn't America bashing, but perpetually harping on it
as being due to stupid leadership and an abysmally ignorant
population, as you are wont to do, is.

I'm pointing it out to an abysmally ignorant and decidedly vocal
minority on this user-group who do seem to be rather slow to get the
message. This would be more correctly described as idiot-bashing, but
since you choose to line up with the idiots, this view of the
situation isn't one that you be likely to appreciate.

Besides, it's our problem, so what do you care other than to have
something you can bitch about?

I dislike seeing errors of fact propagated into an archived record. If
someone goes to the trouble of pointing out that they are errors, the
gullible have at least been warned.

Telling people that they are wrong does upset them. If you try to be
diplomatic enough not to offend them, the idea that they are being
told that they are wrong doesn't actually penetrate.

It's much easier to write me off as an irritating person than it is to
confront the source of the irritation.

As far as constructive solutions goes, I don't know about Jim's case
in Arizona, but here in Texas we have the Seton Healthcare Network:

http://www.seton.net/

where no one is turned away because of inability to pay.

But it looks as if they will charge you if you have any capacity to
pay, and the level of care offered to the indigent is unlikely to be
impressive. We had a similar system in Australia in the 1960's, and I
knew a woman who worked on the Melbourne poverty survey at the time.
Unexpected health costs were the most frequent cause of families
falling into poverty.

Matter of fact, last year we contributed $237 million to care for
the poor and for community benefit.

I say 'we' because I volunteer there, so part of that $237 million
is time out of my life that I gave away to help someone less
fortunate.

Somewhat different from your fantasy job hunts or sitting on your
ass typing out rancor for everyone and everything to which you don't
grant your imprimatur while waiting for the government checks to
come rolling in, yes?
---

You may feel good about it, but it is a drop in the bucket compared
with the total costs of health care. In Europe health care is paid for
out of tax or by compulsory health insurance (which comes to the same
thing). The bureacracy involved isn't cheap, but it is lot cheaper
than the baroque bureaucracies than run your health system, which is
one of the reasons you waste 14% of GDP on a health system that
doesn't deliver the level of health care we get in Europe for around
8% of GDP.

<snip>

 

[John Fields]

It depends on the nature of the disagreement. There are some responses
that deserve derision, and this is certainly one of them.

---
"This" is?

I couldn't agree more, in that you don't even seem to be able to
distinguish between 'this' and 'that'.
---

You are letting your imagination run away with you. You haven't got a
shred of evidence to support this libellous allegation.

---
That why I stated: "As I see it..." IOW: "In my opinion"

And how could there be any evidence to support the allegation?

You go through the motions and do whatever you need to make sure the
checks keep rolling in, no?
---

[email protected] - last week ASML (who make optical
lithography systems for semi-conductor manufacturers, which do have a
lot in common with the electron beam lithography systems that I worked
on at Cambridge Instruments) advertised a large number of electronic
engineering jobs, so I applied for the four or five that I thought I
could do. She knocked me back on all of them within a few days.

---
If you really wanted one of those jobs you would have gone back and
found out why you weren't even given a chance of an interview.
Well, at least _I_ would have.
---

As far as keeping my unemployment benefit goes, this was a complete
waste of time, because I've got a to give a contact phone number for
each job that I claim to have applied for, and the ASML advertisement
didn't give any such number, nor did their web-site.

---
Well, look at it like this: You got paid for it and you obviously
had nothing else to do, so it got you out of the house for a little
while.
---

The chance that I'd get anything out of them was very low - I did get
an interview out of them back in 1994, for what turned out to be a job
where I didn't have much to offer (which hadn't been obvious from the
ad) but nothing since - but it's fairly clear that they are getting
pretty desperate at the moment, so it seemed worth giving them one
more try.

---
Well, maybe when they start scraping the bottom of the barrel...
---

You'd lose.

---
Really?

You must be qualified for _something_, one would think.
---

You've got to be kidding. I enjoy doing serious electronics, and I
can't really do the kind of stuff I like doing at home - my wife and I
may be comfortable, but a decent oscilliscope is out of my range.

---
_You've_ got to be kidding. Have you never heard of Ebay? And what
do you consider decent?
---

Answering questions around here is a poor substitute, but its what I
can get.

---
Poor baby.
---

Your reality. Which does seem to be based on your rather limited
imagination.

---
Strange, when earlier on you stated: "You are letting your
imagination run away with you."
---

Illusions don't last.

---
How long have you believed that?
---

Now apply this brilliant insight to religion, which is pure delusion.
Religious leaders do warp many peoples' perceptions of reality without
having the capacity to manipulate anything that any objective observer
could describe as real, except in the trivial sense of creating real
delusions in real people's heads.

---
They manipulate symbols, which are certainly real enough in some
people's minds that their realities become the movie the leader
wants them to see.
---

Nope, but I've got enough nieces and nephews (8) to pass.

---
Sorry Charlie, it doesn't work that way. No biological kids of your
own and your line dies.
---

You both make it blindingly obvious here from time to time.

---
That's not the answer to the question I asked, which was:

"How would you, of all people, know?"

For example, you certainly don't know as much about chip design as
Jim does and, by your own admission, you certainly know less about
designing with 555's than I do, so your seemingly all-encompassing
inference that you know more than we do is flawed.
---

I doubt it. What works for me probably wouldn't work for you, because
you don't seem to have the intellectual skills to construct a coherent
argument (see above) nor the background to make sense of the kind of
stuff I read. But don't lose heart - you could come a long way just by
reading a decent newspaper (the Christian Science Monitor is a lot
better than it's name suggests).

---
So it's: "Do as I say, not as I do"?

Thanks a lot, but I prefer to sticking with what works, which
certainly isn't you.

 

[Jim Thompson]

[snip]

You go through the motions and do whatever you need to make sure the
checks keep rolling in, no?
---

[email protected] - last week ASML (who make optical
lithography systems for semi-conductor manufacturers, which do have a
lot in common with the electron beam lithography systems that I worked
on at Cambridge Instruments) advertised a large number of electronic
engineering jobs, so I applied for the four or five that I thought I
could do. She knocked me back on all of them within a few days.

Clearly it never occurs to Slowman that he might be incompetent to
handle the position?

[snip]

...Jim Thompson

 

[John Fields]

You may have to wait a while. If I were an American male you could -
on average - expect that you'd have to wait another seventeen years.
Since I'm an Australian currently living in the Netherlands this might
not be the best predictor

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/dyb/DYB2002/Table22.pdf


So how old are you? If you've personally seen all these people live
for eight decades and more you've got to be over 80 yourself ...

---
LOL, you're a fine one to be talking about grammatical/logical
errors!

F'rinstance: "Since I'm an Australian currently living in the
Netherlands this might not be the best predictor." should, to be
correct, read: "Since I'm an Australian currently living in the
Netherlands that might not be the best predictor."

 

[John Larkin]

Martin Griffith mart_in_medina@ya___.es posted to
sci.electronics.design:
[snip]

In civilised domains, they help out the needy. Mr S. has probably
paid a lot of tax.

Maybe it is payback time

I can't contrive any interpretation that includes sloman that does not
grant me equal benefits and i am working. Nor can i figure out how
any unemployment benefit can be much more than a burger flipper
makes, let alone be long term. You get just 6 month in the US and
only about what a burger flipper makes. Must be some national
notional difference.
Unemployment benefits better than working as an engineer or scientist?
It can't last, that society will pay for that excess.

Take a look at the present situation in France.

...Jim Thompson

So far, it looks like Sarkozy is winning.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1687154,00.html


John