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tmok

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,
Where can I find detailed description about the sound and tuning
circuits of the TV?
What is the best book about the TV internal design ( especially the
sound)
Are there online sites that deal with that ?
Gratefully:
[email protected]
 
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Fred Bloggs

Jan 1, 1970
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tmok said:
Hello,
Where can I find detailed description about the sound and tuning
circuits of the TV?
What is the best book about the TV internal design ( especially the
sound)
Are there online sites that deal with that ?
Gratefully:
[email protected]

It's REALLY HARD to find any technical information on television- IT IS
SUCH A GODDAMNED ARCANE TECHNOLOGY!- Who let you in the IEEE?!!!
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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I've never had to deal with TV carriers that had sound on them -- I gained
what expertise I have at a company that puts pictures onto baseband, and
lets other people insert audio. So take this for what it's worth.

Most TV tuners are all on one chip these days. You may want to peruse the
data sheets -- some companies go into great detail, and you gain a good
understanding of the design tradeoffs. I have seen older books on this
subject that are probably good -- you'd need to look at their circuits and
extrapolate to current use, however.

You may want to check out "Video Demystified". It doesn't give circuit
details, but it does go into depth on the details of the standards and gives
general techniques for dealing with them.
 
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Ken Taylor

Jan 1, 1970
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tmok said:
Hello,
Where can I find detailed description about the sound and tuning
circuits of the TV?
What is the best book about the TV internal design ( especially the
sound)
Are there online sites that deal with that ?
Gratefully:
[email protected]

Search on 'tv sound demodulator'

Ken
 
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Jan Panteltje

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello,
Where can I find detailed description about the sound and tuning
circuits of the TV?
What is the best book about the TV internal design ( especially the
sound)
Are there online sites that deal with that ?
Gratefully:
[email protected]
I had some good books 35 years ago...
TV has now advanced to digital, you know.
As for the analog I can speak only for PAL(as a professional broadcast
engineer):
In PAL (in Europe that is), sound is transmitted FM modulated
on a carrier 5.5 MHz above the video one.
Sometimes (some stereo system) a second slightly higher carrier is used
dont remember, sum and difference channel to make it stereo, or
second language perhaps.

In (the old analog) receivers there were basically 2 ways to handle it:
1 intercarrier sound, wide IF, video detection, take the 5.5MHz from the
AM demodulated video with a small tuned cicuit, and limit amp, ratio detector.
A second 5.5 stop in the video to get rid of the sound there.
Later TVs used quadrature detectors (TBA120 was a common chip here).
The other system was to split of in the IF, have a sepate (3x MHz) IF limiter
amp for the sound, IF curve so no sound in the video for the video IF.
Philips used this latter system, it is claimed to give better video
rejection in the sound.
Modern analog TVs use SAW filters and have really good IF curves.

When I was a kid, 'v Aisberg's books about television and radio learned
me a lot.
My own TV design used intercarrier sound.

But that was more the 50 years ago:)
OK, I saved you the book, now send me the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

PS
Now it is going digital, apart from how it is transmitted
(different ways for satellite cable etc..), it is a packetized stream.
transport packets with in it packets for many audio channels,
teletext (ceefax videtext), subtitles, access information, network info,
what not, video (in mpeg2 format).
ieee has likely some documents, else look up etsi.org.

JP
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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tmok said:
Hello,
Where can I find detailed description about the sound and tuning
circuits of the TV?
What is the best book about the TV internal design ( especially the
sound)
Are there online sites that deal with that ?
Gratefully:
[email protected]

NTSC (System "M") uses 4.5 MHz IF frequency FM modulation that is
picked off from the video detector. It is similar to standard FM radio,
except the stereo pilot carrier is the horizontal sweep frequency of
15.73434 KHz, instead of 19 KHz. This puts the stereo information at
31.46868 instead of 38 KHz used for FM broadcast.

New TV transmitters allow modulation up to ± 105 KHz to allow for
mono, stereo, SAP, and private audio carriers like those used for SCA
services. Take a look at the Harris broadcast equipment website for more
information about current TV equipment.
 
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David L. Jones

Jan 1, 1970
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Unless this is a history project, it is all pretty moot, as the last
analog broadcasters in the US will shut down in a few months.

That soon?
Has the digital uptake in the US been that high?
In Australia I think the cutoff is still slated for 2013 nationwide,
but early as 2010 in metro areas.

Dave.
 
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Frank Raffaeli

Jan 1, 1970
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That soon?
Has the digital uptake in the US been that high?
In Australia I think the cutoff is still slated for 2013 nationwide,
but early as 2010 in metro areas.

Dave.

The OP didn't mention if it was analog or digital. Here in the US,
they've been advertising on TV nonstop about the cessation of Analog
broadcast this coming February. I won't miss BTSC stereo audio though.
You can really hear the compression and decompression.

Too bad we're stuck with ATSC for digital. My reception for DTV is
lousy, even with an external antenna. It won't help when they increase
the power next month ... the problem is mainly multipath, as I'm
located just a few miles from the transmitters - just on the wrong
slope of the hill. Your DVB-T is more robust due to a longer symbol
interval.

Frank
 
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