Turn Signals

[GregS]

I have beef against the new vehicles that you can't see the turn signals
from every which way. If I see a vehicle stopped and can't see any signal I will
assume they either don't know which way they are turning or are going straight.
I knew the answer to retrofit current designs by putting signal up on the mirrors.
One day I am crossing the street and see, i think a Toyota, that had the LED signals
right where I would have put them. Thats what I'm talking about.

greg

 

[PeterD]

I have beef against the new vehicles that you can't see the turn signals
from every which way. If I see a vehicle stopped and can't see any signal I will
assume they either don't know which way they are turning or are going straight.
I knew the answer to retrofit current designs by putting signal up on the mirrors.
One day I am crossing the street and see, i think a Toyota, that had the LED signals
right where I would have put them. Thats what I'm talking about.

greg

You may want to consider limiting your drinking to the last thing you
do in a given day.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

I have beef against the new vehicles that you can't see the turn signals
from every which way. If I see a vehicle stopped and can't see any signal
I will assume

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is your entire probmlem. You have to drive as if they're out to get
you, every time! It's called "defensive driving".

But the socialists haven't taught anything real in the last couple of
decades - just self-esteem: "Duh, I can't find Kansas on a map, but I
feel REAL GOOD about myself, yup, yup, yup, yup."

Feh. Learn to drive, otherwise you're a hazard to everyone else.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Ben Bradley]

"I personally believe that ..."

http://tinyurl.com/2notwx (forwards to Wikipedia)

(plays a 'worst of 2007'
video)

Well, eh, best defence is to attack, and destroy the enemy, the general said,
so driving a tank.
Eh, you can do 'defensive driving' (I do) only so much.
If the moron is unpredictable for any reason, then you need a tank.
Basically I am glad if anybody even uses turn signals here....

Turn signals should be ignored or at best be viewed with caution
and suspicion, as they can be misleading, even if the driver had full
intention of making the turn when turning on the signal. Several times
I've seen someone activate a turn signal, slow down, and just about as
the were going to turn, CHANGE THEIR MIND. I haven't seen that cause
an accident yet, but it's been close. And said drivers likely had no
clue why others blew their horns.

 

[John Doe]

Turn signals should be ignored or at best be viewed with caution
and suspicion, as they can be misleading,

Trusting a turn signal can kill a pedestrian.

While riding motorcycles, I try to stay out of traffic. If that's
not possible, I pay attention to what cars are doing and what they
are able to do. I (should) never assume that the right-of-way will
keep me from being killed.

While in-line street skating, a geezer in a big car pulling out of a
Wendy's parking lot stuck his head out the window and waved me on
saying "Don't mind me!" I waited. So he tried to pull out onto the
street, not realizing that his front tires were up against a curb.

Besides intersections in general, perhaps the most hazardous
situation for a pedestrian is when a car driver is looking left and
turning right. When skating, I practice giving cars the
right-of-way. A pedestrian pretending that he has the right of way
is a big mistake IMO.

Lack of driving skill, inattentiveness, and indecision is deadly.
And then there is the woman pulling out onto a street with a cell
phone in one hand and a cigarette in the other, I saw last week.

 

[T]

"I personally believe that ..."

http://tinyurl.com/2notwx (forwards to Wikipedia)

(plays a 'worst of 2007'
video)



Turn signals should be ignored or at best be viewed with caution
and suspicion, as they can be misleading, even if the driver had full
intention of making the turn when turning on the signal. Several times
I've seen someone activate a turn signal, slow down, and just about as
the were going to turn, CHANGE THEIR MIND. I haven't seen that cause
an accident yet, but it's been close. And said drivers likely had no
clue why others blew their horns.

While we're on a related subject, last night we went out to dinner in
Providence, RI. As we're in a crosswalk and the car going northbound has
stopped, had MA plates on it. The car going the other way, with RI
plates didn't stop until I yelled out "WHAT THE ****!" and looked
directly at the driver.

That's the difference between MA and RI drivers. MA drivers will stop
for someone in a crosswalk, RI drivers won't.

 

[GregS]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is your entire probmlem. You have to drive as if they're out to get
you, every time! It's called "defensive driving".

I am a defensive driver. This has little to do about defensive driving.
Its more about consideration. And the driver of that vehicle with less than perfect
signaling might want to fix his problem. All the old vehicles had turn
signals visable across the entire frontal area. For "styling" purposes, the
car manufacturers are getting away with too much. I would have thought there
was a spec for the turn signals, but its seems like its been changed or ignored.
When that driver has his invisable turn signal on, he might think I can see it,
and it might make my driving a little more unsafe and certainly his.

greg

 

[Tim Shoppa]

I have beef against the new vehicles that you can't see the turn signals
from every which way. If I see a vehicle stopped and can't see any signalI will
assume they either don't know which way they are turning or are going straight.
I knew the answer to retrofit current designs by putting signal up on themirrors.
One day I am crossing the street and see, i think a Toyota, that had the LED signals
right where I would have put them. Thats what I'm talking about.

I've driven in a number of different parts of the US and Canada and
Europe over the years, and there are sections (e.g. Boston) where
using your turn signal is a crime called "giving information to the
enemy".

Personally I liked the sequential turn signals on the Thunderbirds in
the late 60's.

Tim.

 

[GregS]

I've driven in a number of different parts of the US and Canada and
Europe over the years, and there are sections (e.g. Boston) where
using your turn signal is a crime called "giving information to the
enemy".

Personally I liked the sequential turn signals on the Thunderbirds in
the late 60's.

I havn't sen anything like that today. There are some rear LED
lamps that rotate, but it would seem like there would be more variety.
I was mostly concerned with the FRONT turn signals here.

greg

 

[GregS]

I havn't sen anything like that today. There are some rear LED
lamps that rotate, but it would seem like there would be more variety.
I was mostly concerned with the FRONT turn signals here.

greg

I designed a chip (plus SCR's) to replace the motor/cam/switch
arrangement in the original sequential turn signals in the '60's
Birds.

But I don't know of what you refer to as "new vehicles that you can't
see the turn signals from every which way". All the new vehicles I
know of have side (and mirror) lamps showing turns. Maybe you buy
American-made junk ?

...Jim Thompson[/QUOTE]

Its very clear, for example
http://justin.turnthecrank.com/PublicPhotographs/disney2000/old car beige.jpg

these signal can be viewed from both left and right front sides, regardless of position.

on these

http://www.sftravel.com/images/limousines/san-francisco-rental-car.jpg

You can't The opposite side is hidden.

greg

 

[GregS]

Aha! You want to see the left turn signal from the right side? So
you can make an illegal turn yourself ?

...Jim Thompson

Nothing about illegal. Its about comming to a stop at a three or four way intersection.
Anybody can go any direction, except its nice to know who's going where.
There must have been some kind of conclusion long ago, on where do
you put turn signals since all vehicles had them in the front. I think
it was a good idea. Addition of side markers was also a good idea
as an additional benefit.


greg

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

I've driven in a number of different parts of the US and Canada and
Europe over the years, and there are sections (e.g. Boston) where
using your turn signal is a crime called "giving information to the
enemy".

Ah, but that assumes that you actually signal in the direction you
intend to turn.

Personally I liked the sequential turn signals on the Thunderbirds in
the late 60's.

Tim.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[GregS]

You DO understand the RULES for vehicle movement at a 3 or 4-way stop?

...Jim Thompson

I usually go by the rules of experiance. You can't always
have a clear understanding of what to do. Its mostly
by the wave of the hand, or who starts moving first, that
sets the motion. Its clear to me, the first one to stop
should be the first to go. Thats the only clear thing, and the
guy on the right rule is not obeyed, except in boating.
Regardless, if If someone is stopped, and I can't see
any turn signal, they are either going straight, or deciding on something,
and not necessarily going to make a turn.

greg

 

[Tim Shoppa]

Nothing about illegal. Its about comming to a stop at a three or four wayintersection.
Anybody can go any direction, except its nice to know who's going where.

Are you worried about somebody going in your direction but in a lane
to your right, and
they're going to turn right but you can't see his signals? Don't see
the problem.

Or maybe you're worried about guys making left turns from the right
lane, or right turns from the
left lane? It worries me too, I've seen some scary moves over the
years and thankfully
nobody was killed (but there were some cars, trucks, SUV's totaled in
the t-bones), but I don't
think that turn signals address the drivers causing the problems.

Tim.

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

On a sunny day (Fri, 31 Oct 2008 23:57:46 GMT) it happened Richard The

Eh, you can do 'defensive driving' (I do) only so much. If the moron is
unpredictable for any reason, then you need a tank.

No, you need to learn to pay attention to what the hell you're doing.
Turning off your brain, and depending on machines to protect you from
your own negligence, is bad for the species.

Here's my safe car design:
http://mysite.verizon.net/richgrise/images/Safe-Car.gif

Good Luck
Rich

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

.

I (should) never assume that the right-of-way will keep me from being
killed.

This is WAY too true. The one who has the right-of-way in any given
situation is the one to whom it is yielded.

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

On a sunny day (Mon, 03 Nov 2008 20:26:24 GMT) it happened Richard The


YOU ARE SO WRONG AGAIN, IN THAT CONFIGURATION SOMEBODY COULD SMASH INTO
THE PASSENGERS AREA AND THE DRIVER WOULD BE OK.

A. Put the passengers in Indy-grade cocoons.

B. Don't stop in front of roads that traffic is coming out of.

Or is it just that you love to say I'm wrong? ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Tubes can't vote, because they aren't registered.

Could this RAM chip vote?

http://www.pericom.com/pdf/applications/AN009.pdf


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Richard The Dreaded Libertarian]

On a sunny day (Mon, 03 Nov 2008 23:16:47 GMT) it happened Richard The


NO IT IS BECAUSE YOU INSULTED MY TUBE VOTING MACHINE.

Well, I'm sorry if you're insulted, but it is a really abysmally stupid
idea.

What really needs to be done is to get rid of the all-or-nothing two and
only two-party electoral system:

For example, California has 55 electoral votes. If, say, 28 of them are
for the pretty boy, and 27 of them are for the white-haired wrinkly guy,
then when they report to the fed they report ALL 55 VOTES FOR THE PRETTY
BOY. They ACTUALLY CHANGE YOUR VOTE!

That's fundamentally wrong.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[Eeyore]

I have beef against the new vehicles that you can't see the turn signals
from every which way.

European cars have 'side repeaters'. No excuse ever not to see them. But as usual, the
USA's about 20 yrs behind.

Graham