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Dave Walsh

Jan 1, 1970
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What would you guys recomend as a good TV. From a servicing point of view
and from a longevity angle. What are your thoughts on Ferguson?, Just
spotted them in a shop, didnt know they were still on the go.
Im looking for a large screen TV, something like a 32" that is 4:3. or
failing that a widescreen recomendation would be great.
Im an audio tech, and my only delving into TV land has been using them
onstage as a prop.

I apologise if Im posting in the wrong place.

Thanks in advance for any replies

Dave
 
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Jerry G.

Jan 1, 1970
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I would stick with names such as Sony, Panasonic, Hitachi, JVC, and some
models of Toshiba. These would be the best in the industry from our
experience. You pay for what you get! For the higher end models, there
are many years of parts support and service in case there is a failure.
These sets generaly last a very long time, in relation to the others at
the lower cost.

Take care that with the lower cost sets, they are considered disposable.
Their expected life span is about 2 to 3 years. There is generaly no
after warranty service, and no parts support for the lower end sets. The
higher cost sets should last about 5 to 8 years. The higher end sets
will also give better performance, including more accurate picture
reproduction.

--

Jerry G.
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What would you guys recomend as a good TV. From a servicing point of
view
and from a longevity angle. What are your thoughts on Ferguson?, Just
spotted them in a shop, didnt know they were still on the go.
Im looking for a large screen TV, something like a 32" that is 4:3. or
failing that a widescreen recomendation would be great.
Im an audio tech, and my only delving into TV land has been using them
onstage as a prop.

I apologise if Im posting in the wrong place.

Thanks in advance for any replies

Dave
 
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee

Jan 1, 1970
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[email protected] says... said:
Take care that with the lower cost sets, they are considered disposable.
Their expected life span is about 2 to 3 years. There is generaly no
after warranty service, and no parts support for the lower end sets. The
higher cost sets should last about 5 to 8 years. The higher end sets
will also give better performance, including more accurate picture
reproduction.

Only 5-8? My last set, an old Philips, lasted for 12 years before
I finally retired it.

I fully expect our two-year old JVC set to do the same, if not
better. Once it goes, I'm going to give serious thought to buying a
video projector, and mounting a nice reflective screen for it on the
appropriate wall.

Keep the peace(es).


--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"
 
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Eric

Jan 1, 1970
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stay away from Panasonic if you not a service agent of them you can not get
circuit diagrams..


What would you guys recomend as a good TV. From a servicing point of view
and from a longevity angle. What are your thoughts on Ferguson?, Just
spotted them in a shop, didnt know they were still on the go.
Im looking for a large screen TV, something like a 32" that is 4:3. or
failing that a widescreen recomendation would be great.
Im an audio tech, and my only delving into TV land has been using them
onstage as a prop.

I apologise if Im posting in the wrong place.

Thanks in advance for any replies

Dave
 
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Kevin Ross

Jan 1, 1970
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I am only scanning this newsgroup because of another issue but I have a
2-year and 2-month old JVC (26 month) that I have had to put in the shop
because (apparently) the vertical IC went out. I have been waiting more than
2 months for the repair because the shop cannot get the part. They tried
generic parts but those parts fail after a few minutes (Or so I am told by
the shop). So I second the advice on paying for a better TV. ( I have a JVC
AV-27D302). If anyone thinks that I am being steered wrongly please let me
know.

Thanks,
Kevin Ross


Dr. Anton T. Squeegee said:
[email protected] says... said:
Take care that with the lower cost sets, they are considered disposable.
Their expected life span is about 2 to 3 years. There is generaly no
after warranty service, and no parts support for the lower end sets. The
higher cost sets should last about 5 to 8 years. The higher end sets
will also give better performance, including more accurate picture
reproduction.

Only 5-8? My last set, an old Philips, lasted for 12 years before
I finally retired it.

I fully expect our two-year old JVC set to do the same, if not
better. Once it goes, I'm going to give serious thought to buying a
video projector, and mounting a nice reflective screen for it on the
appropriate wall.

Keep the peace(es).


--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"
 
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Allodoxaphobia

Jan 1, 1970
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Only 5-8? My last set, an old Philips, lasted for 12 years before
I finally retired it.

Wimpy TV's - the lot of'em. :)
Our first color TV from 32 years ago still plugs along at the foot
of our bed. It's a Midland International (K.C., KS) Model 15-213.
Still good color, good reception, and good sound with OTA usage.

I know... The name _and_ the model number would lead one to belive it
is/was a Radio Shack (Tandy way back then) TV. But, not so. I
remember buying it at Monkey Wards on South Broadway in Denver in 1972.
The TV is a 15" (as measured diagonally to the edge of the crt under
the _white_ plastic case) and I think that is the "15" seen in the
model number.

I repaired it once about 15 years ago -- a cold solder joint.
Wow! A cold solder joint problem after 15 years in use!

Regards,
Jonesy
 
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Leonard Caillouet

Jan 1, 1970
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Of course you can. Like most other companies you just buy it. A number of
distributors can supply them if you can't buy direct from Panasonic.

Leonard
 
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Leonard Caillouet

Jan 1, 1970
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Sounds strange for a vertical chip. Most are very easily available. What
is the part number?

Leonard

Kevin Ross said:
I am only scanning this newsgroup because of another issue but I have a
2-year and 2-month old JVC (26 month) that I have had to put in the shop
because (apparently) the vertical IC went out. I have been waiting more than
2 months for the repair because the shop cannot get the part. They tried
generic parts but those parts fail after a few minutes (Or so I am told by
the shop). So I second the advice on paying for a better TV. ( I have a JVC
AV-27D302). If anyone thinks that I am being steered wrongly please let me
know.

Thanks,
Kevin Ross


Dr. Anton T. Squeegee said:
[email protected] says... said:
Take care that with the lower cost sets, they are considered disposable.
Their expected life span is about 2 to 3 years. There is generaly no
after warranty service, and no parts support for the lower end sets. The
higher cost sets should last about 5 to 8 years. The higher end sets
will also give better performance, including more accurate picture
reproduction.

Only 5-8? My last set, an old Philips, lasted for 12 years before
I finally retired it.

I fully expect our two-year old JVC set to do the same, if not
better. Once it goes, I'm going to give serious thought to buying a
video projector, and mounting a nice reflective screen for it on the
appropriate wall.

Keep the peace(es).


--
Dr. Anton T. Squeegee, Director, Dutch Surrealist Plumbing Institute.
(Known to some as Bruce Lane, ARS KC7GR,
kyrrin (a/t) bluefeathertech[d=o=t]calm -- www.bluefeathertech.com
"If Salvador Dali had owned a computer, would it have been equipped
with surreal ports?"
 
Jerry G. said:
I would stick with names such as Sony, Panasonic, Hitachi, JVC, and some
models of Toshiba. These would be the best in the industry from our
experience. You pay for what you get! For the higher end models, there

In Europe, all recent JVC TV sets seem to be made by Vestel (a budget
brand). Smaller Panasonic and JVC sets were sometimes made by Onwa or
Daewoo...
Take care that with the lower cost sets, they are considered disposable.
Their expected life span is about 2 to 3 years. There is generaly no
after warranty service, and no parts support for the lower end sets. The
higher cost sets should last about 5 to 8 years. The higher end sets
will also give better performance, including more accurate picture
reproduction.

I am afraid more and more brands are considering every picture tube
TV (as opposed to plasma or LCD) being low cost nowadays...
 
Dave Walsh said:
What would you guys recomend as a good TV. From a servicing point of view
and from a longevity angle. What are your thoughts on Ferguson?, Just

Ferguson is a Thomson brand. That means you can either get lucky, or you
will be throwing the set out in a few years.
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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Dr. Anton T. Squeegee said:
Only 5-8? My last set, an old Philips, lasted for 12 years before
I finally retired it.

I fully expect our two-year old JVC set to do the same, if not
better. Once it goes, I'm going to give serious thought to buying a
video projector, and mounting a nice reflective screen for it on the
appropriate wall.

Keep the peace(es).

Depends on the usage, personally every TV I own is more than 10 years old
now and still working fine, but they go days at a time without being turned
on.
 
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Kim

Jan 1, 1970
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Why don't you take a look at Consumers Reports Magazine. Every year they
rate TVs, and show repair histories of brands.
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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Why don't you take a look at Consumers Reports Magazine. Every year they
rate TVs, and show repair histories of brands

I don't consider Consumer Reports a very reliable source for electronics
information.

Sometimes, they get lucky. But most of the time, they don't know what they're
talking about.

For instance, they consider Sanyo sets the most reliable. Those things are
built cheaply and don't live up to the Consumer Reports statistics.

They did get one thing right, though. Apex players are the most unreliable in
general when compared to other players. But, their reviews of various models
are rather rudimentary and don't discuss specifics, some very important which
can help to explain how various players can have picture quality differences or
internal construction quality. - Reinhart
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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LASERandDVDfan said:
I don't consider Consumer Reports a very reliable source for electronics
information.

Sometimes, they get lucky. But most of the time, they don't know what they're
talking about.

For instance, they consider Sanyo sets the most reliable. Those things are
built cheaply and don't live up to the Consumer Reports statistics.

They did get one thing right, though. Apex players are the most unreliable in
general when compared to other players. But, their reviews of various models
are rather rudimentary and don't discuss specifics, some very important which
can help to explain how various players can have picture quality differences or
internal construction quality. - Reinhart


The nice thing about Apex players though is that when they do fail it's
usually a simple matter to repair them. I replaced a cap in mine and it's
been going strong ever since, works much better than the older Sony I have
downstairs and it plays just about everything I throw at it.
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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The nice thing about Apex players though is that when they do fail it's
usually a simple matter to repair them.

Not always.

I've dealt with repairs on these cheapie DVD players.

One was a simple repair: replace a shorted bridge diode and the fuse in the
power supply.

Another wasn't so simple: worn optical pickup in the DVS branded IDE drive.
Replaced the whole drive with a LiteOn computer IDE DVD-ROM drive, but had to
figure out a way to mount it in place.

Of course, I'm seeing more of these cheap DVD players and TV/DVD combo units
use these DVS drives. From what I've seen so far, they typically last about 1
year, 2 years if you're lucky.

And quite a few have problems that are simply not worth the trouble to repair.
A Norcent that went brain dead for no reason at all. All it does is glow the
green power LED on the front, but does nothing else. A write-off as "not
recommended for repair" as these things can be bought cheaper than paying for a
repair (if you can even find non-standard parts to do the repair to begin
with.)

And the biggest problem is with picture quality. Now, on first glance, they
look okay. But, the warts show up when you start to measure them. Most have a
horrid high frequency roll-off on the video, usually in several decibels which
progress further downward the higher you go in the curve, which results in a
softer looking video, especially with a lot of fine details. Sometimes, the
IRE is either too hot or too cold and usually never dead on, resulting in
rather poor contrast. Finally, progressive scan cheapies don't do the job of
deinterlacing very well, especially with 3:2 pulled video from telecine
transfers of 24 FPS film. Some cheapie models even have a bigger tendency to
introduce macroblocking noise in the video than most brand name DVD players.

Sorry, but I prefer a good balance on reliability and performance, which means
you have to spend a little more on a name brand that will likely have a decent
drive, a decent power supply, a decent decoder, a decent deinterlacer, a decent
analogue section, and decent parts which make the whole works tick. - Reinhart
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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Sorry, but I prefer a good balance on reliability and performance, which means
you have to spend a little more on a name brand that will likely have a decent
drive, a decent power supply, a decent decoder, a decent deinterlacer, a decent
analogue section, and decent parts which make the whole works tick. -
Reinhart

Depends what you're looking for, personally I like the Apex players because
of the ease of modifying them to play imports, as well as vcd's and dvd's of
my own creation. A while back I copied some old home movies from VHS to DVD,
MUCH easier to store and deal with, the Sony refuses to play them but they
work just fine in the cheap Apex.
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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A while back I copied some old home movies from VHS to DVD,
MUCH easier to store and deal with, the Sony refuses to play them but they
work just fine in the cheap Apex.

That's funny. My 3rd generation Sony DVP-S360 plays home-made DVDs just fine.
- Reinhart
 
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James Sweet

Jan 1, 1970
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LASERandDVDfan said:
That's funny. My 3rd generation Sony DVP-S360 plays home-made DVDs just fine.
- Reinhart

Certainly some Sony's are very good, mine is quite old, but still I've been
quite happy with cheaper ones.
 
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LASERandDVDfan

Jan 1, 1970
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Certainly some Sony's are very good, mine is quite old, but still I've been
quite happy with cheaper ones.

Eh. Your cup of tea.

All I'm doing is giving my experienced opinion for anyone's evaluation.

What others do with that info is up to them. - Reinhart
 
LASERandDVDfan said:
I don't consider Consumer Reports a very reliable source for electronics
information.

Sometimes, they get lucky. But most of the time, they don't know what they're
talking about.

CR just reports info from their survey. They're just reporting
what maybe 100,000 survey respondants said -- whether true or
not. Asking on this newsgroup gives the opinion of maybe three
people (instead of 100,000). FWIW.

Mike

P.S. - I agree they often don't know what they're talking about.
Biggest problem is that they don't have the "tastes" of
an enthusiast of whatever the subject is. They have
the mentality that a Big Mac (tm) is a gourmet meal (which
unfortunately is probably a good fit for most subscribers
who are looking for low-end cheapie stuff that isn't
outright bad).
 
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