Programming problem on Vista 20P

[Mark Leuck]

Thats a slow keyfob anyway, they are coming out with the 5805 abd 5805BDV
sometime this summer, I saw a prototype 2 years ago, will now give 8
functions instead of 4, smaller and slightly different design.

You could also try next time a 5883 Transeiver (sp?), has a built-in 5800TM

Yah I usually use the template.

I'm having a problem with one now that I have to deal with: 5804bd &
5800tm...slow response - pain in the butt.

 

[Mike]

Rick
I thought about deleting the wireless zones but thought they were there by
default.
This makes sense though if the zones should not even be showing (and they
are) In and L are showing for several zones and for all that are i set the
zone type to 00 to disable.
Do you know for a fact that these zones are "created" automatically when you
try to set up a wireless zone for the first time?

You said:
"Then if you want to program the 5804 to the panel, make sure the receiver
is enabled in the keypad.
Otherwise just program the remote to the keypad as you did before, but make
one button your panic."

Which of the above would be the preferred method for using the 5804 or it
doesnt matter as long as only one or the other is used?

 

[Crash Gordon®]

This was a takeover from a 3letter company. I've personally only installed a handful of 5804bd/tm's. I'm not a big fan of devices that disarm a system without a code entry.

But, anyway...the orig. installing co. put the box/5800tm/5881/ all down on the floor in a closet with mirrored doors. I think I spoke about this before...but it's happening on and off. Sometimes it works fine,,,sometimes it's slow...the other day it wouldn't disarm when they accidently set it off, they had to enter their code at the keypad.

It's an old Vista 10se ver. 12. Owners say its 10 years old. Everything works fine except this intermittant behavior of the 5804bd (actually they have two of them).

R.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

This was a takeover from a 3letter company. I've personally only installed

a handful of 5804bd/tm's. I'm not a big fan of devices that disarm a
system without a code entry.

But, anyway...the orig. installing co. put the box/5800tm/5881/ all down
on the floor in a closet with mirrored doors. I think I spoke about this
before...but it's happening on and off. Sometimes it works
fine,,,sometimes it's slow...the other day it wouldn't disarm when they
accidently set it off, they had to enter their code at the keypad.

It's an old Vista 10se ver. 12. Owners say its 10 years old. Everything
works fine except this intermittant behavior of the 5804bd (actually they
have two of them).

Hi Crash,

Not sure if this is it but on some older panels I've seen a problem
responding to RF remotes when the siren was active. It turned out to be a
power problem. The siren would draw so much current that the voltage
available at the receiver was dropping. You can check to see if this is
happening by testing the voltage at the receiver with and without siren.
It's a long shot but it's easy enough to check. If that does turn out to be
the problem you can offload the siren(s) from the panel power supply with a
relay wired directly to the battery.

Frank would remind you if I didn't to run the power through an inline fuse.
:^)

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Regards,
Robert L Bass

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[Crash Gordon®]

That's a thought.

I'm still thinking the mirror and the recievers being mounted so low is a contributor to problem...except he claims this is a recent problem. I don't think its a programming problem or they wouldn't work at all...and I've replaced all batts...system, points, keyfobs. I hate to even mention the "m" word.

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Tech support says that the TM should be mounted between 1-2' from the reciever antenna on the same plane (ADT had installed it 2" from the reciever). They also recommend moving the reciever & TM up above the mirrored doors (DUH)...currently they're both mounted about 12" from the floor...and too close to each other.

Kinda what I suspected.

He could not find any mention of voltage drop while siren was running in tech data regarding this particular revision...he said maybe on an earlier rev. This one turns out to be rev 12 (1997+)

Now, I just gotta find an empty reciever case so I can remote the reciever.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

I'm still thinking the mirror and the recievers being mounted so low is a

contributor to problem...except he claims this is a recent problem. I
don't think its a programming problem or they wouldn't work at all...and
I've replaced all batts...system, points, keyfobs. I hate to even mention
the "m" word.

The trouble with RF is when you have a problem it's rarely simple. There
are so many possible factors. Have you checked with Paul? :^)

 

[R.H.Campbell]

Hehehehehe.....

RHC


The trouble with RF is when you have a problem it's rarely simple. There
are so many possible factors. Have you checked with Paul? :^)

 

[Robert L. Bass]

Hehehehehe.....

I figured that would get a rise out of someone. :^)

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Yah...I have a call into him now!...except his cell phone is muzzled... Sheesh, that freekin lunatic

 

[R.H.Campbell]

Chucking out the bait were you ? Wanted to see who would bite eh !!?? Ok, I
plead guilty....couldn't resist........ (like poking at a sore.......anxious
to see what Paulie has to say.....)

OOOOH NO !! ...here comes verbal diarrea post 1 of 10 on the horrendous
dangers of RFI....

(the ng's been a bit slow lately; maybe that'll stir him up a bit )

RHC

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Would that be considered Troll trolling?

Chucking out the bait were you ? Wanted to see who would bite eh !!?? Ok, I
plead guilty....couldn't resist........ (like poking at a sore.......anxious
to see what Paulie has to say.....)

OOOOH NO !! ...here comes verbal diarrea post 1 of 10 on the horrendous
dangers of RFI....

(the ng's been a bit slow lately; maybe that'll stir him up a bit )

RHC

 

[Mark Leuck]

This was a takeover from a 3letter company. I've personally only installed a
handful of 5804bd/tm's. I'm not a big fan of devices that disarm a system
without a code entry.

Well that's easy to take care of, just don't program a disarm button

But, anyway...the orig. installing co. put the box/5800tm/5881/ all down on
the floor in a closet with mirrored doors. I think I spoke about this
before...but it's happening on and off. Sometimes it works fine,,,sometimes
it's slow...the other day it wouldn't disarm when they accidently set it
off, they had to enter their code at the keypad.

Mirrored doors? Umm I think that might be a problem

It's an old Vista 10se ver. 12. Owners say its 10 years old. Everything
works fine except this intermittant behavior of the 5804bd (actually they
have two of them).

Strange, I have a 5804BD and a BDV and haven't had that happen

 

[Mark Leuck]

That's a thought.

I'm still thinking the mirror and the recievers being mounted so low is a
contributor to problem...except he claims this is a recent problem. I don't
think its a programming problem or they wouldn't work at all...and I've
replaced all batts...system, points, keyfobs. I hate to even mention the "m"
word.

They always claim it's a recent problem

Mount the receiver as high as you can, it'll fix it

 

[Mark Leuck]

Tech support says that the TM should be mounted between 1-2' from the
reciever antenna on the same plane (ADT had installed it 2" from the
reciever). They also recommend moving the reciever & TM up above the
mirrored doors (DUH)...currently they're both mounted about 12" from the
floor...and too close to each other.

Kinda what I suspected.

He could not find any mention of voltage drop while siren was running in
tech data regarding this particular revision...he said maybe on an earlier
rev. This one turns out to be rev 12 (1997+)

Ademco doesn't have that voltage drop problem, if you're over the limit
you'll get one blip out of the siren and the system dies for a few seconds

 

[Crash Gordon®]

Yep...just found an empty 5881 case, gonna remote it up near the closet's ceiling..same for the TM.

I assume I can just tap the TM lines into the 5881 instead of running 2 lines down..electrically should be the same right? Yah.

Thanks!

 

[R.H.Campbell]

More like fishing for "crappies" (or sunfish as they are known in Canada).
Once we catch them, we throw them back as garbage fish. But it's fun to bait
and hook them nevertheless.

I figure if Paulie is going to "crap" all over the ng with his RFI garbage,
and not go away, we might as well have some fun with him and give him some
of his own medicine.....

Here Paulie..Paulie...Paulie.....take the bait !!

(Yawn...I must be bored tonight....)

RHC

Would that be considered Troll trolling?

 

[Crash Gordon®]

You must be bored!...me too I guess...lots of stuff to do, but I'm trying to procrastinate as best I can - but the Boss had me painting bedrooms today, cant wait to see what she will want me to do tomorrow.

We have lots of man-made little fishing ponds here...full of crappies. I bet theres plenty in Belgium too.

 

[Robert L. Bass]

You must be bored!...me too I guess...lots of

stuff to do, but I'm trying to procrastinate as
best I can - but the Boss had me painting
bedrooms today, cant wait to see what she
will want me to do tomorrow.

Seen on a bumper sticker:
Procrastinate Now!
Don't put it off!

We have lots of man-made little fishing ponds
here...full of crappies...

What a coincidence. We have an ECLB member like that.