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Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?

Discussion in 'Electronic Repair' started by Too_Many_Tools, Jan 14, 2007.

  1. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Rod Speed ha escrito:
    Hehehehehehe! The experiment is going well, let´s try it again.


    The rule of holes - when you're in one, you should stop digging.

    P.S: Reply created using http://www.ozdebate.net/rod.html
     
  2. Chris Jones

    Chris Jones Guest

    I just recently bought a hand-held spothight with a 6V valve-regulated
    lead-acid battery. (bought at Lidl in the UK.) It is Osram brand but who
    knows who actually designed or made it. Out of curiosity I opened it up
    and measured the voltage as it was charging the battery. The 6V (3 cell)
    battery gets charged to about 8.5V with the supplied charger so that would
    kill the battery pretty quickly. The proper charging voltage is even
    marked clearly on the Chinese-made battery. The charger is basically just
    a resistor and an unregulated power supply. I know that say a LM317 would
    be too expensive for these guys but there would surely be a cheaper circuit
    e.g. with a zener diode and a transistor that could clamp the charging
    voltage to a sensible limit, for 10c or less. In my own case, I will
    charge it with a regulated power supply instead, but it makes me sad to
    think that the rest of these things will be destroyed quite soon by
    overcharging, and since the battery is not easily removable from the casing
    of the torch, I guess that approximately none of them will be recycled when
    they stop working. Even if they were "recycled", I have heard some bad
    things about the way lead-acid battery recycling is done these days, so it
    would be much better if someone had at least been able to use it for a few
    years first.

    That is one good thing about lithium batteries, the appliance manufacturers
    are so shit-scared of abusing the batteries, causing a fire and getting
    sued that they usually do put a half-decent charger in the products, even
    if that does cost them the extra 10c.

    Chris
     
  3. Don K

    Don K Guest

    Obviously you got the wallet intended for tightwads. :)

    I got a new wallet for Christmas wherer some compartments were
    a bit too tight when I loaded them with the various assorted plastic
    cards, ATM, credit, membership, insurance, driver's license, etc.

    I ended up trimming some of the cards with scissors.
    Now they fit ok. No harm done to the cards.
    There's your problem! A single-fold wallet is a lot less bulky.
    I had a 3-section wallet and hated it. It felt like I was carrying
    a baseball in my pocket.

    Don
     
  4. Rod Speed

    Rod Speed Guest

    Some stupid wog claiming to be
    just the puerile shit you'd expect from a stupid wog.
     
  5. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    It has been found that the subject under study, in this case Rod Speed
    has a compulsion to answer to anything, even to himself :-D


    Rod Speed ha escrito:
    Says SFA about your pathetically childish remark. (R. Speed trademark
    quote)




    See you never, loser... hehehehehehehehe!
     
  6. Alan

    Alan Guest

    Oh sure. They all agree.

    Except for my owner's manual.

    Alan

    ==

    It's not that I think stupidity should be punishable by death.
    I just think we should take the warning labels off of everything
    and let the problem take care of itself.

    --------------------------------------------------------
     
  7. Rod Speed

    Rod Speed Guest

    Some stupid wog claiming to be
    just the puerile shit you'd expect from a stupid wog.
     

  8. I am starting to wonder about this - remember the "Turing Test" for AI
    - you have a conversation, via a teleprinter, with the "robot" in
    another room. If you cant distinguish the reply from that of a person,
    then it passes the Turing Test.

    Your testing seems to show that Rod might, indeed, be a robot. A bloody
    good one - had me fooled for along time.

    But the inability, or unwillingness, to answer ANY direct questions
    seems to suggest it is an AI program. Probably someones thesis, and
    they are keeping track of how much "conversation" Rod manages to
    continue.

    If its a good one, it should have some sort of adaptive learning
    algorithm built in......

    Interesting.

    Andrew VK3BFA.
     
  9. Rod Speed

    Rod Speed Guest

    Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
    Andrew VK3BFA <> desperately
    attempted to bullshit its way out of its predicament and
    fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

    No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door.

    Even Telecom had noticed what a completely unemployable dud it was.
     
  10. SMS

    SMS Guest

    LOL.

    "Especially since normal city driving is, according to your
    owner's manual "extreme service" and they recommend you
    change your oil every 3,000 miles. . . ."

    At least you no longer believe that everyone else's owner's manual is
    like yours.

    So what kind of vehicle do you have, and/or what does your owner's
    manual say? I've never seen an owner's manual that defined severe
    service as any service that included short trips, unless there were
    never any longer trips (which heat up the engine and oil hot enough to
    vaporize the moisture).

    Toyota:
    ------
    "Repeated short trips (less than 8 km) in freezing conditions."

    Nissan:
    ------
    "Repeatedly driving short distances."

    Honda:
    -----
    "Driving less than 5 miles (8 km) per trip or in freezing temperatures."


    Don't fall for the oil industry's attempt to redefine "severe" service
    to fit their own agenda.
     
  11. Eregon

    Eregon Guest

    Isn't "AI" the acronym for "Annoying Idiot"? <grin>
     
  12. jakdedert

    jakdedert Guest

    Rick Brandt wrote:

    [Extraneous, excessive crosspost groups snipped]My opinion as well.

    I firmly believe this is--in fact--true.
    Many of the 'companies' don't really exist. They are merely resellers
    which brand products mostly made by a handful of OEM manufacturers. The
    chances of buying from the same manufacturer are pretty significant
    despite the product having a different brand name...especially the lower
    on the totem pole one shops.

    This is especially true of major appliances. If that Kenmore craps on
    you and you decide to get a Fridgidaire or GE dryer the next time; you
    may well find that you bought the same product in a different package.
    In fact, many, if not most, of the parts will likely be interchangable.
    Voting with their dollars....

    The bean counters make sure that absolutely nothing gets made beyond the
    lowest common denominator.
    Your tax dollars at work....
    That's almost a pipe dream on this side of the pond. It could happen,
    but I'm not holding my breath.

    jak
     
  13. jakdedert

    jakdedert Guest

    Not to mention, the fact that by the time you decide to upgrade, the
    architecture has changed. You decide to upgrade your processor: new
    processor won't fit in the old socket. Same with memory and
    peripherals. I've got a few series port products that won't even work
    on newer computers, a pile of 30 and 72 pin SIMM ram sticks...floppy
    drives, who wants 'em?

    Anybody want a couple of AT power supplies?

    jak
     
  14. Mark Rand

    Mark Rand Guest


    That particular trait is shown by politicians as well :)



    Mark Rand
    RTFM
     
  15. Vic Smith

    Vic Smith Guest

    Sure, they're your stories. You believe them and apparently are
    affected by them. I believe the horror stories, but also believe them
    be merely anecdotal warnings that "shit happens."
    In fact, my son the professional mechanic, last year called me from
    the road asking to bring him oil and a drain plug. He had just been
    working in my garage putting an intake manifold and a bunch of other
    stuff on his car, and changed the oil while he was at it. Didn't
    tighten the drain plug and it shook out. He saw the stream in his
    mirror when it came loose, pulled over and shut it down, so no harm
    was done except 4 quarts of Mobile 1 on the street. This is a kid who
    is truly mechanically gifted, but doesn't specialize in changing oil.
    I have *never* hand tightened an oil drain plug, always wrenching it
    when it goes in, and I'm sure he won't make that mistake again. But
    he can do 10 things at once, and I can do only 1.
    Point is, the quick lube places specialize in this simple stuff,
    sometimes with drill instructer-like shouts of "Plug in!!!, "Plug
    torqued to 20 foot pounds!!!" Sort of funny, but good practice.
    OTOH, I've heard the same type of oil plug horror stories about dealer
    service bays, and independents. Shit happens.
    The only effect these stories have had on me is to make me pull over
    after *anybody* changes my oil and make sure nothing is screwed up.
    Since I don't crawl under the car, even that won't help with a
    hand-tightened plug, which is a time bomb.
    The only way to be absolutely confident that things are done as you
    would do them is to do them yourself. Of, course then when you screw
    something up, you can't whine and carry on about it.
    Though I usually change my own oil, I've been to quick lube places
    many, many times and *never* had an issue. Those are my stories.
    BTW, I'm more particular about who does other types of auto
    maintenance on my cars.
    Good for you. Sounds as if you have your own stories of success.
    You're happy with your stories, and I with mine.

    --Vic
     
  16. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Andrew VK3BFA ha escrito:
    If Rod is a robot, it is probably still in development. Please notice
    the fact that as soon it reachs the end of its script, or possible
    answers, it has the tendency to repeat the same answer over and over,
    in an endless loop. This seems to me like a software bug, but surely
    the AI programmers behind the Rod project are working hard to correct
    it. Probably they didn´t knew about this bug, because our testing made
    it surface. Maybe they will incorpore some sort of adaptive learning
    algorithm into the robot, as we clearly demonstrated that the Rod
    project is laking one badly, or has a non functional one. :)

    Have fun!
     
  17. Rod Speed

    Rod Speed Guest

    Some stupid wog claiming to be
    just the puerile shit you'd expect from a stupid wog.
     
  18. lsmartino

    lsmartino Guest

    Message to Rod Speed developers:

    This is the bug that must be solved
    Three times the same answer in a row. Remember to solve that before you
    finish the project. Otherwise the project could be considered a total
    failure. ;-)

    Ah... and I think a personality change would be fine too. It would make
    the final product more appaling to the end user.
     
  19. Off your meds again, welfare boy?
     
  20. Rod Speed

    Rod Speed Guest

    Some stupid wog claiming to be
    just the puerile shit you'd expect from a stupid wog.
     
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