OT: Large LCD monitors for PC

[Joerg]

Hi Guys,

Last time I looked 30" monitors were well north of $1k, and 27" just
under. This was only a few months ago. Doing the regular year-end
perusal I didn't see 30" at the usual stores but stumbled upon 27"
monitors starting at about $230 (Sceptre, never heard of the brand), to
this ViewSonic for $300:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

This is the Sceptre:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

I suppose like usual, only online, but not sure. Reviews are great but
are they good for serious CAD work? Any brands to prefer?

1920*1080 is a weird resolution. My PC doesn't have that. Strange.

 

[ItchyGato]

Hi Guys,

Last time I looked 30" monitors were well north of $1k,

Toshiba 40" At $400.

and 27" just
under.

Where the **** do you shop? Did they see you coming?
Asus 27" at $339




This was only a few months ago. Doing the regular year-end

perusal I didn't see 30" at the usual stores but stumbled upon 27"
monitors starting at about $230 (Sceptre, never heard of the brand), to
this ViewSonic for $300:

Lame.

I would never buy a unknown name brand from a cheap Chinese nobody with
very likely ZERO service reputation.

I suppose like usual, only online, but not sure. Reviews are great but
are they good for serious CAD work? Any brands to prefer?

1920*1080 is a weird resolution. My PC doesn't have that. Strange.

Then you also have a SHIT graphics card, because that resolution has
been in use for YEARS.

My 23" LCD Samsung is at 2048 x 1152 ! You can't even see the pixels.

http://www.frys.com/catreq/-14272

NONE of them are as pricey as you claim.

Here's an LED backlit one.

http://www.frys.com/product/6403442?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG


Are you shopping from Siberia?

Even the 3D job is A third of your claims.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Hi Guys,

Last time I looked 30" monitors were well north of $1k, and 27" just
under. This was only a few months ago. Doing the regular year-end
perusal I didn't see 30" at the usual stores but stumbled upon 27"
monitors starting at about $230 (Sceptre, never heard of the brand), to
this ViewSonic for $300:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

This is the Sceptre:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

I suppose like usual, only online, but not sure. Reviews are great but
are they good for serious CAD work? Any brands to prefer?

1920*1080 is a weird resolution. My PC doesn't have that. Strange.

They're using cheapie 1080p TV LCD panels rather than the former
standard 1920 x 1200.

I'm sure they don't compare to a 30" 2560 x 1600 monitor, but as
you're getting around half the pixels for around 1/4 the price, maybe
it's worth a look see, especially if your eyes don't like 0.25mm
pixels.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:20:43 -0800, the renowned Joerg

I suppose like usual, only online, but not sure. Reviews are great but
are they good for serious CAD work? Any brands to prefer?

BTW, I know you like to aim at a 'maximum value' rather than
performance price point, but others might find this interesting if
they're running serious 3D CAD applications. Reportedly Solidworks is
set to (re)introduce 3D display support.

http://3dvision-blog.com/using-3d-vision-with-quadro-graphics-for-professional-applications/

I think we do fine as is, but support of 3D displays (perhaps it will
be stable in a year or two) would be a pretty cool development.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Martin Riddle]

Hi Guys,

Last time I looked 30" monitors were well north of $1k, and 27" just
under. This was only a few months ago. Doing the regular year-end
perusal I didn't see 30" at the usual stores but stumbled upon 27"
monitors starting at about $230 (Sceptre, never heard of the brand),
to
this ViewSonic for $300:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

This is the Sceptre:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

I suppose like usual, only online, but not sure. Reviews are great but
are they good for serious CAD work? Any brands to prefer?

1920*1080 is a weird resolution. My PC doesn't have that. Strange.

--

Find a IPS panel, 16:10. Beware of the Dell tint issue, but they are
lovely monitors ;D

Cheers

 

[[email protected]]

Hi Guys,

Last time I looked 30" monitors were well north of $1k, and 27" just
under. This was only a few months ago. Doing the regular year-end
perusal I didn't see 30" at the usual stores but stumbled upon 27"
monitors starting at about $230 (Sceptre, never heard of the brand), to
this ViewSonic for $300:

Sceptre is a fairly common, though cheapie, brand.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

This is the Sceptre:

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Produc..._Price|1||P_SignDesc1&lang=en-US&Sp=C&topnav=

I suppose like usual, only online, but not sure. Reviews are great but
are they good for serious CAD work? Any brands to prefer?

1920*1080 is a weird resolution. My PC doesn't have that. Strange.

They just bought us Dell 22" 1620x1050(?) monitors. Junk! I doubt the
Sceptre would be worse.

I have a Soyo 24" that I paid $270 for a little over three years ago. It's
been a very nice monitor. I'm tempted to grab another, but I can't get a
third monitor working.

 

[[email protected]]

All my people are using two monitors lately, like one for a schematic
and the other for the PCB. They are threatening to sneak into my
office and install duals for me, too.

You'll never go back.

 

[ItchyGato]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:20:43 -0800, the renowned Joerg


They're using cheapie 1080p TV LCD panels rather than the former
standard 1920 x 1200.

I'm sure they don't compare to a 30" 2560 x 1600 monitor, but as
you're getting around half the pixels for around 1/4 the price, maybe
it's worth a look see, especially if your eyes don't like 0.25mm
pixels.



Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

2560 over 30" is a 0.29mm pitch, idiot.

My 23" at 2048 is 0.28mm.

AFAIK, there are still to this day, NO LCD panels with such a fine dot
pitch on the pixels. Those are CRT day pitches.

 

[AllInTheChi]

Sceptre is a fairly common, though cheapie, brand.

It is total crap.

snip

They just bought us Dell 22" 1620x1050(?) monitors. Junk! I doubt the
Sceptre would be worse.

They are both shit.

I have a Soyo 24" that I paid $270 for a little over three years ago. It's
been a very nice monitor. I'm tempted to grab another, but I can't get a
third monitor working.

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=100-U2-UV16-A1&family=USB&sw=10

 

[Clifford Heath]

2560 over 30" is a 0.29mm pitch, idiot.
My 23" at 2048 is 0.28mm.

You're the idiot this time. 30" and 23" are diagonal measurements.
The dot pitches are 0.252mm and 0.249mm respectively.

The 27" 1920x1080 works out to 0.311mm, so Speff is right and you're wrong.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

2560 over 30" is a 0.29mm pitch, idiot.

It's grade 9 math:

16:10 aspect ratio, for 30" diagonal, the horizontal dimension will be
25.4" ~= 645mm so the pitch will be 0.25mm.

My 23" at 2048 is 0.28mm.

AFAIK, there are still to this day, NO LCD panels with such a fine dot
pitch on the pixels. Those are CRT day pitches.

Utter nonsense. Medical grade monitors are available off-the-shelf
that are 0.21mm pitch. Even my ancient (2002/2003) Philips 200P3s are
0.255 mm.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Nial Stewart]

1920*1080 is a weird resolution. My PC doesn't have that. Strange.

If you're running windows there's usually a check box somewhere that
stops it displaying resolutions the monitor can't handle.


Nial

 

[Joerg]

Toshiba 40" At $400.


Where the **** do you shop? Did they see you coming?
Asus 27" at $339




This was only a few months ago. Doing the regular year-end

Lame.

I would never buy a unknown name brand from a cheap Chinese nobody with
very likely ZERO service reputation.



Then you also have a SHIT graphics card, because that resolution has
been in use for YEARS.

My 23" LCD Samsung is at 2048 x 1152 ! You can't even see the pixels.

http://www.frys.com/catreq/-14272

NONE of them are as pricey as you claim.

I said month ago, not today. And gave evben lower prices in my links.
Oh, and I will not buy at Frys, absolutamente not.

Here's an LED backlit one.

http://www.frys.com/product/6403442?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG


Are you shopping from Siberia?

Even the 3D job is A third of your claims.

Link?

 

[Joerg]

They're using cheapie 1080p TV LCD panels rather than the former
standard 1920 x 1200.

I'm sure they don't compare to a 30" 2560 x 1600 monitor, but as
you're getting around half the pixels for around 1/4 the price, maybe
it's worth a look see, especially if your eyes don't like 0.25mm
pixels.

Ok, but what happens if the graphics hardware in the PC does not support
this TV format? If that ends up blurring stuff it's not going to be good
for CAD.

 

[Joerg]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:20:43 -0800, the renowned Joerg


BTW, I know you like to aim at a 'maximum value' rather than
performance price point, but others might find this interesting if
they're running serious 3D CAD applications. Reportedly Solidworks is
set to (re)introduce 3D display support.

http://3dvision-blog.com/using-3d-vision-with-quadro-graphics-for-professional-applications/

I think we do fine as is, but support of 3D displays (perhaps it will
be stable in a year or two) would be a pretty cool development.

For mechanical design I can see the value but the main reason for me is
that I need this for layout reviews. Which I have to do at an increasing
number these days, to advise on EMI improvements. Often you have to see
the big picture but at the same time look at details, such as trace
lengths to 0603 bypass caps. Right now on a 21-incher it's panning and
zooming like crazy.

This is also why a dual monitor setup doesn't do much good here.

 

[Joerg]

Find a IPS panel, 16:10. Beware of the Dell tint issue, but they are
lovely monitors ;D

My color vision ain't perfect anyhow (sez my wife, when I pick a tie
....). All I really care about for the monitor is resolution and sheer
size. 30" would be great, 27" ok, 23"-24" wouldn't be worth it versus
the (excellent) 21" CRT I have right now.

 

[Nial Stewart]

Ok, but what happens if the graphics hardware in the PC does not support

this TV format? If that ends up blurring stuff it's not going to be good
for CAD.

Right click on screen, Display Properties -> Settings -> Advanced -> Monitor
uncheck 'Hide modes this monitor cannot display'. Then back to settings
to see your options.

This machine's 5 years old with a Matrox P650 and doesn't show 1920x1080
but any 'recent' card should handle it. (The P650 would probably handle it
with a driver update).


Nial.

 

[Joerg]

Check eBay for used ones. Search for "lcd 2560 1600"

My setup has a 30" center monitor with a rotated 1200x1600 20" on each
side, giving a virtual 4960x1600 workspace with no black bar down the
middle. This works great for EDA - workspace in the middle,
PDFs/browser/IRC on side monitors. I suppose you could do this with
three 27" monitors, you just end up with a blank spot in your virtual
desktop.

Wow! Now that's what I call a work station. But I don't quite have the
space for that.

 

[Joerg]

All my people are using two monitors lately, like one for a schematic
and the other for the PCB. They are threatening to sneak into my
office and install duals for me, too.

I have that, sort of. A seperate computer (laptop) to my left,
networked, so I can pick the corresponding module spec or schematic from
the same server. But that doesn't help much in layout reviews, there it
needs to be all on one large screen.

 

[Joerg]

If you're running windows there's usually a check box somewhere that
stops it displaying resolutions the monitor can't handle.

That's what Michael was also hinting at but how does one find out?

Windows has been dumbed down quite a bit, probably at least in part by
an OEM process. Same with BIOSes. I have the G33 chipset in there and it
seems it supports these formats:

http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-022544.htm

Says "640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x1024, 1600x1200 and 1600x900"

Oh, and the PC manuals are dumbed down as well. In the 80's you even got
schematics, nowadays it's "Take big cable, plug in wall outlet, see
picture"