Indian power loss, leakage?

[Don McKenzie]

Indian power loss, leakage?

How could India have power problems?

Check out the perfect wiring:
http://www.photopumpkin.com/photo-blog/perfect-wiring-up-india/

Don...

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[Don McKenzie]

Yikes!

I once designed an electric meter for use in India, and it had
extensive anti-tamper hooks. Seems like a lot of power is stolen.

Spillage as opposed to leakage.

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[Stonethrower]

Indian power loss, leakage?

How could India have power problems?

Due to cheap work force, it's cheaper/easier to add new wires than to
untangle existing ones.

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I get the impression that a lot of those wires are added by the
customers.

I read somewhere that maybe 10% of the power in New York City was
stolen. People drill through walls to tap into their neighbors
circuits, often in both directions.

Sounds like green energy to me. Someone should suggest it to Obama.

 

[keithr0]

The bigger the mess, the better it works.

Beirut Lebanon telco switch and wiring.
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/Beirut-Telco/>
Note how carefully each wire is labeled.

One of my customers at his best:
<http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/mess01.html>

I read that during WWII the British secret service in Turkey attempted
to tap the German embassy phone, but gave because they simply couldn't
find the appropriate connections in the mess of cables.

 

[Don McKenzie]

So, 99% of call centers are down? ;-)


I haven't had one telemarketer call since that power failure.

Had the same thought Michael. I may have serious withdrawal symptoms, if it keeps up for too long!

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[Sylvia Else]

I get the impression that a lot of those wires are added by the
customers.

"Customers" ?

Sylvia.

 

[swanny]

Had the same thought Michael. I may have serious withdrawal symptoms, if
it keeps up for too long!

We can only hope that it lasts indefinitely.
Has been great without those stupid scammers calling 5 times every day.

 

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"Customers" ?

Evidently they haven't heard of a demark box. ;-)

 

[Don McKenzie]

One more that's too strange to ignore:
<http://www.partyvibe.com/forums/att...electrical-safety-india-electrical-safety.jpg>

Notice the barbed wire at the bottom of the installation. For the protection of the public no doubt.

Seems they have it all covered.

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[hamilton]

Notice the barbed wire at the bottom of the installation. For the
protection of the public no doubt.

Seems they have it all covered.

Don...

I guess with the number of people they have in that country, losing a
few is not a real problem.

Go Figure

 

[swanny]

I guess with the number of people they have in that country, losing a
few is not a real problem.

Go Figure

When I was over there 20 or so years ago there was a train out of Delhi
that ran over a dozen people. The train driver was rewarded for
continuing the journey so as not to cause inconvenience or delays to the
passengers.

 

[F Murtz]

Notice the barbed wire at the bottom of the installation. For the
protection of the public no doubt.

Seems they have it all covered.

Don...

And here I am worried about my working 240 volt sewing machine motor.

https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/c-Q1Du5T6gSgIiyc4aB33dNxAcbVLP5-X4AzCQ7sdbg?feat=directlink

 

[Martin Riddle]

Spillage as opposed to leakage.

Don...

They actually tie stones to the end of wires and then launch them over
the transmission lines.
Hopefully they are not HV lines and presto, free electricity.

Cheers

 

[Charlie E.]

The "before" picture actually looks fairly tidy to me.

My eyes first saw the inside of a phone closet around the time that
Berners-Lee invented the web page. The phone closet was actually a
reimagineered clothes closet with two sliding doors, one on the left,
and one on the right. Restricted physical access enabled a technician
to work on only one side at at a time. A technician took his best
"photographic memory" of a given side before sliding a door closed to
walk over and access the opposite side.

Morons had stuffed the closet full of all manner of stuff. Lots of
25 pair, 66 blocks, twisted pair, phone line, coax, twinax, FM radios,
modems, routers, electrical cables, you name it. But relatively little
Cat5. The Cat5 came later.

At the time it seemed reasonable that simple bad luck dealt me such a
mess the first time out. But the next demarc, and the next, and the
next, *all* looked just as bad. Almost two decades later my string of
bad luck continues unabated...

OK. Surely the pros at my local telco CO *know* how keep things tidy?

No such luck. An insider tells me that it looks like someone armed a
barrel of chimpanzees with wire wrap guns then turned them loose to
do their worst.

"Mine's not to reason why, but to do or die." - telco employee.

Then you have a poorly trained CO crew! My frame was pretty neat and
tidy. You always pulled the old jumper out when you replaced one. You
always dressed your cables and your jumpers. New jumpers were always
pulled in directly, not under or over adjacent pairs, etc.

Running a CO frame all by yourself takes a whole new level of skill!

Charlie

 

[Paul]

In all honesty, premise wiring keeps getting better all the time (as
the song goes). Phone and data now both use Cat5, 5e, or 6 and get
terminated in a tidy patch panel. Demarcs now come with RJ45 ports.

For a new building.. Any buidling with any age will have at least 4
diferent sets of phones wires, old RS232 cabling, coax network, Cat3,
maybe Cat4 and now Cat 5 being replaced with Cat 6 possibly Cat 7.
You wont notice all the cables as occasionaly they would have been
painted over or new trunking runs put in leaving the old there as well.

The closest I ever got to a CO frame was in the basement of a 1960s
era, six story office building. A timeless technological work of art
to those with engineering eyes.

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[josephkk]

Who let the cat out of the bag? ;-)

No one, the bag had disintegrated long ago. Just nobody cared (including
the long ago loosed cats).

?-)

 

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Also notice that the four transfomers are still attached to the dolly
and steel wheels. Probably a "temporary" installation.

Those four units appear to be radiators for the oil cooling system.
Otherwise, it looks like an ordinary three phase transformer, which
has been installed exceptionally low. The four 3 phase low voltage
cables from the transformer are intended for a much higher transformer
mounting, since cables are zig-zagging across the system, before
entering the fuses from below.

At least there is some sense in the installation since the customer
wires are installed after the fuses.

However, I do not see how the secondary neutral is connected, assuming
240/415 V (British legacy) distribution system, or perhaps this is 240
V delta only distribution (no neutral)

 

[hamilton]

At least the phases are identified

How would like to die today, Phase A, Phase B or Phase c.