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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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I find it nearly unbelievable some of the horseshit you uneducated
twits spew.

Personally I prefer Marmite to Brasso, I suppose you like Vegemite


Martin
 
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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
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Yup.. Does sound like that'll work and perhaps worth a try..

Gold is a relatively soft metal. Using a pad that is just harder than
the gold but softer than the copper (or plating on copper) will help
reduce wear on the copper.
I know scotchbrite scuffs copper which means something in the
scotchbrite is harder than copper..

Household cleansers (ex Javex) contain chlorine compounds but I don't
know if that will react with gold.. (I'm not a chemist!)
However chlorine gas will. How fast..I dunno..

It's interesting, it takes only 1% chlorine to saturate water. Max
solubility is at 9.6C.. Anymore and it gases.
This can be a good thing too. I suspect chlorine has much more
reactivity with gold at 9.6C temp than with copper..
So.. chilled water saturated with chlorine and etch the board is my
guess... I have no idea if that'll work..but seems like a start.

Joke...Perhaps you could just plop the pcbs in a chlorinated public
swimming pool for a few days..
(I dunno if that'll work..)
D from BC

I got curious and found a few net references that it's recommended to
remove gold (ex: rings) before going in swimming pools..
"
Remove gold jewelry before entering swimming pools. The chlorine in
the water will erode gold jewelry."

Well..whatdayaknow...
D from BC
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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We have boards that inadvertently ended up with hard gold finish. As a
result we have 50 microinches of gold causing all kinds of headaches at
assembly.
We asked to have the extra gold stripped off but I was told it was not
possible.
Is there no way to dissolve the gold off? Otherwise we have to get another
batch made and they're expensive. Mercury bath? Hot cyanide? Microtome?
Have an immersion silver finish over the gold!!! Argghgghgh anything!!

Erase it:
http://www.officedepot.com/ddSKU.do...iqueSearchFlag=true&Nr=100000&Ntk=all&An=text

Good Luck!
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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...and do not forget environmentally and people friendly Mercury as well
as acidic Cyanides...

Wouldn't chlorine would be the choice toxin. If it gets loose, it's
heavier than air and will find something to react with. It's far from
being an inert gas and isn't found naturally in it's elemental form. I'm
guessing the resulting chlorine compounds are going to be more friendly
than mercury compounds or cyanide just sitting around not reacting with
objects.

If chlorine etching is used on the gold..it should be checked out what
temperature should be used.
The colder the temperature...the less reaction to copper. D from BC[/QUOTE]

How about Aqua Regia?

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:35:02 -0700, in sci.electronics.design

I'd try Brasso, don't know what the US equivalent is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasso

Brasso. ;-)

But I don't know if I'd try to _remove_ metal with it - if there's
any abrasive in it at all, it would have to be very, very fine.

Cheers!
Rich
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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Will your stupidity ever cease?

This is getting funny. I can make you take any position, no matter how
absurd. If I say "cars have engines" you'll reflexively deny it.
Eeyore does that, too, but not nearly so well.

I can have a lot of fun with this.

John
 
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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
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How about Aqua Regia?

Thanks,
Rich

That's item #6 on my list.. HCL and HNO3 3:1 ratio which is called
Aqua Regia..


D from BC
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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Brasso. ;-)

But I don't know if I'd try to _remove_ metal with it - if there's
any abrasive in it at all, it would have to be very, very fine.

Cheers!
Rich
I suppose it's a bit coarser tha jewllers rouge, I've used Brasso to
clean scrathes on polycarbonate/ perpsex windows for 16*2 LCDs, takes
some time, these day's I would use teethpaste and an electric
teethbrusher


Martin
 
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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
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Brasso. ;-)

But I don't know if I'd try to _remove_ metal with it - if there's
any abrasive in it at all, it would have to be very, very fine.

Cheers!
Rich

Since gold is softer than copper.. Maybe a copper powder can be used
as an abrasive to remove the gold.
Guessing..
Copper powder + paint thinner??
Maybe the paint thinner can act like a lapping lubricant.
(Brasso has some sort of hydrocarbon..just by the smell.)
I picked paint thinner because it's oily, evaporates, easy to get and
it's cheap.

Copper powder + graphite ???

Ewwww...conductive abrasives on pcb's...but anywayzz...

Copper wool (found in grocery stores) is harder than gold but as hard
as copper (1) so it might qualify as a lapping pad material.

(1) Is PCB copper tempered?


D from BC
 
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Martin Griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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That's item #6 on my list.. HCL and HNO3 3:1 ratio which is called
Aqua Regia..


D from BC
What else would aqua regia disolve? BTW in WW2 one nobel prize winner
dissolved his medal in AR to stop the nazis getting it. The gold was
recovered after the war are re-cast into the medal, neat.


Martin
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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I suppose it's a bit coarser tha jewllers rouge, I've used Brasso to
clean scrathes on polycarbonate/ perpsex windows for 16*2 LCDs, takes
some time, these day's I would use teethpaste and an electric
teethbrusher

Toothpaste
Toothbrush
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Since gold is softer than copper.. Maybe a copper powder can be used
as an abrasive to remove the gold.
Guessing..
Copper powder + paint thinner??
Maybe the paint thinner can act like a lapping lubricant.
(Brasso has some sort of hydrocarbon..just by the smell.)
I picked paint thinner because it's oily, evaporates, easy to get and
it's cheap.

Copper powder + graphite ???

Ewwww...conductive abrasives on pcb's...but anywayzz...

Copper wool (found in grocery stores) is harder than gold but as hard
as copper (1) so it might qualify as a lapping pad material.

(1) Is PCB copper tempered?


D from BC

It's called solder wick. You add solder, then wick it off. Twice.

That is the mil spec method.

Copper "work hardens". It is notorious for not keeping the crystal
lattice it is created with, so heat, flexure, etc. etc. fractures said
lattice with great ease, making it as porous as a sponge.
 
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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
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Toothpaste
Toothbrush

Hey..those things are for only 1 tooth. :)
Teethbrushes are more rugged since it's designed to do more than 1
tooth. :)

Same goes for

Hairsbrush
Eyesglasses
Earsmuffs
etc..
Superior products that can do more than one hair, one eye or one ear..
:p


D from BC
 
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John Larkin

Jan 1, 1970
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I got curious and found a few net references that it's recommended to
remove gold (ex: rings) before going in swimming pools..
"
Remove gold jewelry before entering swimming pools. The chlorine in
the water will erode gold jewelry."


Gold is one of the least reactive metals. The classic reactant is aqua
regia. I doubt that a bit of chlorine in water would have much effect.
And anything that eats through gold will go wild when it hits the
copper.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqua_regia

"When Germany invaded Denmark in World War II, the Hungarian chemist
George de Hevesy dissolved the gold Nobel Prizes of Max von Laue and
James Franck into aqua regia to prevent the Nazis from stealing them.
He placed the resulting solution on a shelf in his laboratory at the
Niels Bohr Institute. It was subsequently ignored by the Nazis who
thought the jar—one of perhaps hundreds on the shelving—contained
common chemicals. After the war, de Hevesy returned to find the
solution undisturbed and precipitated the gold out of the acid. The
gold was returned to the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences and the
Nobel Foundation presented new medals to Laue and Franck."

John
 
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ChairmanOfTheBored

Jan 1, 1970
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Thanks, it's good to be appreciated, an interesting link , but as
Linus said
"Intelligence is the ability to avoid doing work, yet getting the work
done."


The methods you mentioned do NOT "get the work done". All you do is
succeed in fucking up the PCB. The bare copper is far worse than the
right amount of the right precious metal in place to reduce the copper
dissolution.

You should try to actually read the page next time. Then we'll shoot
for comprehension.
 
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