Florescent light bulbs?

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Um, no ... now remember, I've just *read* about this! But apparently it
is not exactly uncommon.

One does not *talk* on the phone. One puts it in a certain place with
relation to the body, the other partner makes a phone call, the phone
does not get answered.

Clearer?

Sort of like a remote-controlled vibrator.

I understand the function of a dildo. I was asking about why
a phone vibrates while one is talking.

/BAH

 

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Not while talking. They can be set to vibrate instead of (or
before) ringing.

I knew that.

The vibrate mode is more discrete than some
gawd-awful ringer tunes.

Reread the comment that got me wondering. The implication was
that the phone was used as a dildo. So...either the female
knows when the male is calling and never answers to use it
or ...??? IOW, how does the male know that the female is
using the vibration and keeps ringing long enough until
climax? hmmm...I suppose those cameras are getting used already..

/BAH

 

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Y'know, back in the day (of analog cellphones) it was possible to
listen in on conversations easily if you had an appropriate receiver.
One could hear some "interesting" stuff.

Yup. Clinton administration finally figured that out after a month
of phone use and somebody's conversation ended up in the news.
I don't recall the subject but it was picked up while somebody
was flying overhead using his phone.

/BAH

 

[whisky-dave]

Apparently one can do quite a bit of erotic teasing with a mere phone call
and not saying a word.

I thought heavy breathing down the phone was an offence,
well it was in my case, but a first offence, that was my story. ;-)

 

[Richard Henry]

Yes, ARPANET goes back to before Gore was in Congress. But the Internet as
we know it today is a lot more than a tool for letting research institutions
communicate with eachother. The High Performance Computing Act, which Gore
introduced, created a lot of the fiber optic infrastructure that made the
Internet ubiquitous. At the time, I think most people in the US who were on
any networks at all were on systems like Compuserve and Prodigy, which were
mostly using X.25 networks, not TCP/IP.

Gore did take the initiative, both as a Senator and as Vice-President, to
see policies put in place to bring the Internet into American homes. So,
when he said he "took the iniative to create the Internet", I don't think he
was lying. The statement was taken out of context.

Disk Armey deliberately lied about Gore's statement. The rushsheep are
still bleating in agreement.

 

[NightMist]

Reread the comment that got me wondering. The implication was
that the phone was used as a dildo. So...either the female
knows when the male is calling and never answers to use it
or ...??? IOW, how does the male know that the female is
using the vibration and keeps ringing long enough until
climax? hmmm...I suppose those cameras are getting used already..

Sweetie, vibrators vibrate and dildos penetrate. Sometimes a toy does
do both, but then it is usually just called a vibrator.

I suppose if you tucked the phone in up far enough and at the proper
angle to contact the G-spot the trick would work. So long as the
subject didn't move afterwards.
Realisticly though you would probably place it to maintain clitoral
contact. Much easier to get right the first time, and to keep in place
while still allowing movement.

Remote control vibrators are available, but they do not have the range
you get with a cell phone. Besides, with a cellphone the lass could
just trot off to the bathroom and give her caller a callback to let
them know that the trick did or did not work. No doubt while hoping
it was not her mother callng unexpectedly.

OK, now I am contemplating condoms for cellphones, and I don't even
own a cellphone.

NightMist

 

[Don Klipstein]

Al Gore came on Opera yesterday and said we could save 20% of the
energy our light bulbs use if we switched to more expensive florescent
bulbs. These bulbs last longer you know. But are you aware that the
light bulb companies are conspiring to keep florescent bulbs off the
market? They charge you more for them already, but Tesla invented a
florescent bulb that is still burning in the Tesla Museum 50 years
later.

How brightly? Does it light up a room? With what sort of energy
efficiency? Has there been any significant phosphor degradation?

There are "induction" fluorescents such as "Icetron" and "QL", where
life is limited by phosphor degradation. The degradation can be slowed by
making the lamps larger (which would be more expensive).

If we all used his bulbs we would never have to worry about
screwing in light bulbs. So the answer to the most important question
of the day: How many scientists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Really should be none. Because we don't have to ever change our light
bulbs in an ideal world.

But can anyone tell me how I can get a hold of one of these Tesla bulbs?

I do suspect that they aren't that hard to duplicate - just send an
engineer familiar with fluorescent lamp manufacturing to the Tesla museum
to have a look at that thing!

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

It makes little difference; unless there's a rectifier/capacitor
somewhere in the circuit, those fluorescents are going to flicker as
they are driven by either a 50 Hz (in Europe) or 60 Hz (America) power
source.

Electronic ballasts normally have a rectifier and smoothing capacitor.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

Maybe from that paragon of honesty who claimed he
invented the internet...

What Gore actually said was that he "took the initiative in creating the
internet".

I say not as bad as an exaggeration as that of his opponents, since he
was the main force in the Senate for expanding it from the Aarpanet back
in the days when it was often called the "Information Superhighway".

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

Right. A florescent bulb costs $9.99, 40kWh costs diddly, and so does
an incandescent bulb.

How about $5 or less for compact fluorescents?

Although in my experience it takes at least 25, usually at least 26
watts of compact fluorescent wattage to match a 1710 lumen "standard" 100
watt 120V incandescent.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

the cooling towers emit water vapour, which is basically the same stuff.

So do oil and natural gas fired power plants.

Replace incandescents with compact fluorescents and take other steps to
reduce electricity consumption, and you will reduce the ill effects of
whatever supplies your electricity.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

Cite! He did say that forests contribute to pollution, which is
correct (see: Smokey Mountains).

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/002407.html
http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pwb/04/1004/3b.shtml
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2005/08/global_warming_.html
http://plantsci.sdstate.edu/Burris/Burris2.pps
http://www.metla.fi/archive/forest/1997/05/msg00177.html
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ronaldreag147702.html

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

LEDs aren't there yet, efficiency or color constantness wise, though
they can do very well if directed light or low power is needed.

The efficiency given is often at 25 degrees chip temperature. But with
the chip dissipating a watt or more, the junction temperature is quite a
bit higher.

But a mixture of gallium and arsenic is not very friendly either. We'll
see when LEDs win from gas discharge - or maybe MH lamps take over.

LEDs are advancing faster, and the latest Cree ones, even at real-world
temperatures, do have efficiency close to that of compact fluorescents
when given 1 watt each.

Problem is, these LEDs probably have cost in the same ballpark as
compact fluorescents, so 15 of them to replace a 60 watt incandescent is
going to be expensive. The color is also not as good as that of compact
fluorescents.

Watch for some mean flashlights to appear with these soon, however! And
watch for further advances in LEDs over the years - I expect to see some
actually practical household lightbulbs with LEDs in my lifetime!

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Don Klipstein]

I think you need to check your arithmetic.

3000 hours at 100W is 300,000 Watt Hours or 300KWHrs (Three Hundred).
At the rates I pay that will cost about $60 for the electricity. A CF
lamp over the same period would use about $15 worth.

In addition it is unlikely that an incandescent would last 3000 Hours -
they are normally designed to last about 1000 Hours.

It is a tradeoff of life vs efficiency for an incandescent - you can
make an incandescent last as long as you want by lowering the filament
temperature, but the efficiency drops of dramatically. At the other
end of the scale from domestic lighting, incandescents for photographic
work give off a lot of light but only last a few hours.

The lifetime-efficiency tradeoff in incandescents does get done in the
longer life direction also.

There are "industrial service" ones rated to last 3500 hours in
addition to having a more vibration-resistant filament, and light
output is down something like 25-30%. There are traffic signal ones rated
to last 8,000 hours, and light output is down something like 35% compared
to 750-1000 hour incandescents. Bed, Bath and Beyond sells incandescents
rated to last 10,000 hours, with an even further compromise in efficiency
and light output. Some traffic signal incandescents are 130V versions,
and at 120V their life expectancy would be about 20,000 hours - with
energy efficiency at 120V a little over half that of 750 and 1,000 hour
120V incandescents of similar wattage.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Rich Grise]

I have watched people fill the auto gas tank. Despite all warnings
I've seen men and women hanging onto a cigarette while doing so.

I think the 'if' in your sentence should be spelled IFF.

Nah - gasoline doesn't ignite by cigarette - not even the vapor. I
saw some guy who was working on a gas tank; he had taken it out of
the car, and dumped all the gasoline into a 5 gal. bucket (it was
only about an inch or so deep.) He was smoking. I asked, "Is it true that
a cigarette won't light gas?" and he kind of sneered at me, and flicked
his stub into the bucket of gasoline. It went "Fsst!" and went out.

I didn't find out if he poured that quart or so of gasoline (with the
butt in it) back into the tank. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie]

Americans ! They probably use cellphones while refuelling too.

24/7, dude - 24/7, they're on the phone.

I guess everybody in the country just wants to be anywhere except where
they are.

One day, while out people-watching, I saw two people in a car stopped
at a red light, both on the phone. I kinda yelled out, "I hope you're not
talking to each other!" They said "no." ;-)

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie]

Um, no ... now remember, I've just *read* about this! But apparently it
is not exactly uncommon.

One does not *talk* on the phone. One puts it in a certain place with
relation to the body, the other partner makes a phone call, the phone
does not get answered.

Clearer?

Sort of like a remote-controlled vibrator.

Heh. Reminds me of the story:

A woman walks into the pharmacy, and askes the proprietor, who was a
very old man, "Do you have C-cell batteries?" He crooks his finger,
as if to beckon, waggles it a little, and says, "Come this way."

She says, "If I could come that way, I wouldn't need the batteries!"

Cheers!
Rich

 

[Don Klipstein]

It's been my limited experience the compact fluorescents do _not_ last
as long. I have a pair of sockets for my living room that are near
each other in the ceiling (20 feet up, yes I have room for two floors
in that room.) When I first bought the place, there were two
incandescents already there. One eventually went out and I replaced
it with a compact fluorescent... twice... before the other one finally
expired (it was also incandescent.) They are on the same circuit and
attached to the same light switch so they are either both on or both
off, always.

Is this a recessed ceiling fixture? Those build up heat and are hard on
compact fluorescents. For that matter, some compact fluorescents brag
about being specifically rated to use in recessed ceiling fixtures. Such
includes the 15, 20 and non-dimmable 23 watt ones of Philips SLS series.
Philips did say that the 25 and the dimmable 23 are not rated for use in
recessed ceiling fixtures.

That's only one example case here in the house. I've
been tracking this elsewhere around the home, because of that
experience, and it seems consistent that I cannot get the same life
out of a compact fluorescent as I do a similar-rated (in lumens)
incandescent. Not 4 time, not 2 times, not equal. But decidedly less
and perhaps about half.

I can say where and when compact fluorescents appear to me prone to
short life:

1) When on-time is short. As I hear it, "standard conditions" for life
expectancy include 3 hours per start. So I expect a fair chance of short
life expectancy compared to incandescents in motion sensor lights,
closets, restrooms used mainly for short trips, and refrigerators.

2) Higher wattage CFL in small enclosed fixture, due to heat buildup.

3) If the CFL is a problem-prone one, such as (according to my
experience) 25 watt spirals of GE and LOA brands made around 2001, LOA
45 watt ones, and LOA "Q-Lites" from the early 1990's. Also I have seen
"dollar store" ones have a significant rate of spectacular infant
mortality, as well as never achieving claimed light output (sometimes
low by a factor of 3) and sometimes not achieving stated color.

4) I hear of a few complaints of the Commercial Electric 42 watt spiral
dying young when operated base-up. I suspect the problem here is heat.

- Don Klipstein ([email protected])

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie]

I understand the function of a dildo. I was asking about why a phone
vibrates while one is talking.

Do you ever _read_ the schtuff you're "responding" to?

Sheesh!
Rich

 

[Rich Grise, Plainclothes Hippie]

Remote control vibrators are available, but they do not have the range
you get with a cell phone. Besides, with a cellphone the lass could
just trot off to the bathroom and give her caller a callback to let
them know that the trick did or did not work. No doubt while hoping
it was not her mother callng unexpectedly.

Mom would never know - she'd hear that "brrrrrt" as long as the girl
didn't answer. I guess in that case it would depend on how long Mom
would wait for the girl to pick up. ;-)

Cheers!
Rich