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Finally... a (possible) nanny decision I agree with

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Gib Bogle

Jan 1, 1970
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Article discusses the possibility the gov't might ban anti-bacterial
soap. Not that I really want the gov't banning it, but I hate the
stuff.



http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-02-12-34-52

Given the government record in getting ride of harmful substances when
there is a powerful industry lobby involved, I'd be surprised if
anything happens. Look at the disgusting lead paint story:
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/mar/21/lead-poisoning-ignored-scandal/
 
Given the government record in getting ride of harmful substances when
there is a powerful industry lobby involved, I'd be surprised if
anything happens.  Look at the disgusting lead paint story:http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2013/mar/21/lead-poisoning-i...

"Congress had banned the sale of interior lead paint in 1978, but it
remained on the walls of millions of homes nationwide, and there was
no adequate federal program to deal with it."

Idiocy to imagine the feds can or should do it--they're bumblers.
That's the problem right there--they're not supposed to or able to
micromanage such a large country. States and cities can and should
handle this kind of problem.

But don't worry, Obama's EPA'd a bunch of tyranny making it illegal to
work on your own home. Yes We Can't!
 
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Gib Bogle

Jan 1, 1970
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"Congress had banned the sale of interior lead paint in 1978, but it
remained on the walls of millions of homes nationwide, and there was
no adequate federal program to deal with it."

Idiocy to imagine the feds can or should do it--they're bumblers.
That's the problem right there--they're not supposed to or able to
micromanage such a large country. States and cities can and should
handle this kind of problem.

But don't worry, Obama's EPA'd a bunch of tyranny making it illegal to
work on your own home. Yes We Can't!

That's just duckwitted.
 
That's just duckwitted.

No, it's duck-witted to think Congress can solve it, as evidenced by
your own article and the giant cluster they've made of it.

It's duck-witted to think the solution to a 21-year-old single slum
mom who lets her kid from eat lead is Congress, the same people who
made her, the apartment, and her ignorance possible and profitable.

It's particularly duck-witted to think draconian measures against me--
who already does the right thing--will do duck-all to improve her
lot. In fact, the duck-witted non-solutions from Congress make it
more attractive to leave lead in place, since the removal is now so
costly, cumbersome, and complicated. Oh, and legally dangerous.

Yes We Can't!
 
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Bill Sloman

Jan 1, 1970
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"Congress had banned the sale of interior lead paint in 1978, but it
remained on the walls of millions of homes nationwide, and there was
no adequate federal program to deal with it."

Idiocy to imagine the feds can or should do it--they're bumblers.

That's the problem right there--they're not supposed to or able to
micromanage such a large country. States and cities can and should
handle this kind of problem.

That's American incompetence. Everybody else seems to be able to manage that particular kind of "micromanagement" without effort.

It would help if American government wasn't designed so that the people whoown the country - in this case the paint factories - didn't have quite so much influence on the government.
But don't worry, Obama's EPA'd a bunch of tyranny making it illegal to
work on your own home. Yes We Can't!

Nice to see that James Arthur's preprogrammed routines are running as reliably as ever

Of course it does help that they don't have to make any kind of sense.
 
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John Devereux

Jan 1, 1970
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Bill Sloman said:
That's American incompetence. Everybody else seems to be able to manage that particular kind of "micromanagement" without effort.

It would help if American government wasn't designed so that the
people who own the country - in this case the paint factories - didn't
have quite so much influence on the government.

I would think it in the interest of Big Paint to support a mandatory
nationwide repainting program?
 
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Martin Brown

Jan 1, 1970
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Just an Obama payoff to some contributor who can't compete with this
product.

It might well be a sensible move. A too sterile environment appears to
have triggered all sorts of crazy autoimmune diseases these days. If you
kill off all the good bacteria you leave openings for the bad guys.
Just like how they descended on Aspirin as dangerous and touted
Tylenol as "better for you".

The dose makes the poison. In the ROW it is known more often by its
chemically related name of Paracetamol or Acetaminophen.

Tylenol just has some caffeine added and a USian brandname.

By comparison Aspirin is more likely to cause stomach problems so you
pay your money and take your choice. Paracetamol is banned in Japan.
They have a propensity to overdose themselves.
Most people now understand that Tylenol is bad for your liver.

Only if you overdose on it (and there is a trivial compositional change
to the formulation that would fix it, but they don't do it).
I happen to be terribly allergic to the stuff... I go into shock :-(

...Jim Thompson

It is in a lot of over the counter cold remedies...
 
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amdx

Jan 1, 1970
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No, it's duck-witted to think Congress can solve it, as evidenced by
your own article and the giant cluster they've made of it.

It's duck-witted to think the solution to a 21-year-old single slum
mom who lets her kid from eat lead is Congress, the same people who
made her, the apartment, and her ignorance possible and profitable.

It's particularly duck-witted to think draconian measures against me--
who already does the right thing--will do duck-all to improve her
lot. In fact, the duck-witted non-solutions from Congress make it
more attractive to leave lead in place, since the removal is now so
costly, cumbersome, and complicated. Oh, and legally dangerous.

Yes We Can't!
The government is making us all criminals, and if you haven't broke a
law, wait untill tomorrow.
Mikek
 
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John Devereux

Jan 1, 1970
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Jim Thompson said:
On Fri, 03 May 2013 16:07:14 +0100, John Devereux

[...]
I would think it in the interest of Big Paint to support a mandatory
nationwide repainting program?

Slowman can't resist going out of his way to display his ignorance....
that's a new one on me, "... the people who own the country - in this
case the paint factories... " >:-}

BTW, lead-based paint is far more durable and longer-lasting than the
"approved" substitutes.

Families no longer have the brains to tell their children, "Don't chew
on the wood-work!"

The parents don't have the brains, mainly because of all the
paint-chewing they did themselves! :)
 
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Gib Bogle

Jan 1, 1970
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That's funny, in a way. The congress is stuffed with politicians who
take money from corporations to get re-elected, and in return do the
bidding of these corporate interests. One of the most lucrative
activities for a politician is therefore opposing regulations, and
opposing expenditures in the common good. In this case the
beneficiaries are mostly poor people - these are the easiest and safest
to deny help to, since they tend not to vote. Failing first to ban lead
paint for years, then failing to rectify the health problem that had
been created, is not just immoral, it carries an enormous social cost.
The main reason Republicans hate and fear Obama is that he has inspired
many poor people to vote for the first time.
 
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John Devereux

Jan 1, 1970
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That's funny, in a way. The congress is stuffed with politicians who
take money from corporations to get re-elected, and in return do the
bidding of these corporate interests. One of the most lucrative
activities for a politician is therefore opposing regulations, and
opposing expenditures in the common good. In this case the
beneficiaries are mostly poor people - these are the easiest and
safest to deny help to, since they tend not to vote. Failing first to
ban lead paint for years, then failing to rectify the health problem
that had been created, is not just immoral, it carries an enormous
social cost. The main reason Republicans hate and fear Obama is that
he has inspired many poor people to vote for the first time.

And I agree, but I didn't actually write what you quoted above.
 
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Robert Macy

Jan 1, 1970
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Just an Obama payoff to some contributor who can't compete with this
product.

Just like how they descended on Aspirin as dangerous and touted
Tylenol as "better for you".

Most people now understand that Tylenol is bad for your liver.

I happen to be terribly allergic to the stuff... I go into shock :-(

                                        ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

NO one mentioned the change over of milk cartons? Years ago the milk
cartons had a flat top and a small attached 'plug' that one pulled out
to open it. The milk industry liked those flat top cartons because the
cartons stacked easily, and shippings costs were ok. Then pure-pak
invented the creased/folded/sealed top that looked like a sloped roof
and instantly got not just approval but a dictate from the government
that ALL milk cartons had to use this new SANITARY seal. Giving the
logic that children drink milk and drink from the carton and this new
top was more sanitary if you drink from the carton since the fold was
tucked under, and the govt MUST jbe to keep foods for children
sanitary. Yet, have you seen the muck that can get all over the top
of a soda can? The word hypocrite comes to mind.
 
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Robert Macy

Jan 1, 1970
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Slowman can't resist going out of his way to display his ignorance....
that's a new one on me, "... the people who own the country - in this
case the paint factories... " >:-}

BTW, lead-based paint is far more durable and longer-lasting than the
"approved" substitutes.

Families no longer have the brains to tell their children, "Don't chew
on the wood-work!"

                                        ...Jim Thompson
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I love to cook with wine.     Sometimes I even put it in the food.

Surprised no one is touting the 'conspiracy' theory that lead paint
blocks house scanning and viewing the occupants, so it HAD to be
banned.
 
It might well be a sensible move. A too sterile environment appears to
have triggered all sorts of crazy autoimmune diseases these days. If you
kill off all the good bacteria you leave openings for the bad guys.


The dose makes the poison. In the ROW it is known more often by its
chemically related name of Paracetamol or Acetaminophen.

Tylenol just has some caffeine added and a USian brandname.

By comparison Aspirin is more likely to cause stomach problems so you
pay your money and take your choice. Paracetamol is banned in Japan.
They have a propensity to overdose themselves.


Only if you overdose on it (and there is a trivial compositional change
to the formulation that would fix it, but they don't do it).



It is in a lot of over the counter cold remedies...

Acetaminophen is the leading cause of liver failure in the US, a
particularly nasty way to go. The problem is exactly what you say--
it's in so many different formulas and remedies that people overdose
for long periods without realizing it.
 
  The government is making us all criminals, and if you haven't broke a
law, wait untill tomorrow.
                  Mikek

At some point people just ignore the laws. Obama, for example. And
Congress.
 
That's funny, in a way.  The congress is stuffed with politicians who
take money from corporations to get re-elected, and in return do the
bidding of these corporate interests.

That's the direct, inevitable result of your bigger and bigger,
centralized government as a solution. The more intrusive they are,
the more they impact people and business' daily lives, the more people
and businesses have to get involved just to survive. Otherwise, the
lawyers in Congress--who have no idea have to do anything--make quite
a muddle of running all the rest of us.
 One of the most lucrative
activities for a politician is therefore opposing regulations, and
opposing expenditures in the common good.

Complete bollocks--the easiest thing for a politician is to spend
money, common good or not. Then spend more, and more, and more.
In this case the
beneficiaries are mostly poor people - these are the easiest and safest
to deny help to, since they tend not to vote.

Your victim here was a high school honors student, now a 21-year-old
single mom with her own apartment. How did that happen? A clever
young woman, how was she able to do that, and why did she think she
should/could?
Failing first to ban lead
paint for years, then failing to rectify the health problem that had
been created, is not just immoral, it carries an enormous social cost.

Creating the entitlement network that financially and socially
encourages bright young women in these ways--the nanny state--is what
created the enormous social cost.
The main reason Republicans hate and fear Obama is that he has inspired
many poor people to vote for the first time.

I'm independent, not Republican, but my complaints about Obama stem
from how he's hurting the poor, wiping out jobs and their road up out
of poverty to the middle incomes; creating and encouraging dependence
over work, constantly race-baiting and denigrating when he could be
uniting and uplifting. "Obama's" society is one founded on creating
dependent self-victims like this one en masse, and telling them
they're entitled, there's nothing they can do, and it's not their
fault.

That's *dis*-empowering. That's telling people they're helpless
victims of other people's decisions, and, implicitly, that they should
be.

Ignoring the fact that he's economically incompetent, never having had
a real job, he's easily the most divisive, radical president in my
life time, an uncompromising, inflexible, dogmatic, mean-spirited
demagogue. For example, he recently had Medicare denying cancer
patients treatment, so that he could blame the sequester (that he
himself invented).
 
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Greegor

Jan 1, 1970
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No, it's duck-witted to think Congress can solve it, as evidenced by
your own article and the giant cluster they've made of it.

It's duck-witted to think the solution to a 21-year-old single slum
mom who lets her kid from eat lead is Congress, the same people who
made her, the apartment, and her ignorance possible and profitable.

It's particularly duck-witted to think draconian measures against me--
who already does the right thing--will do duck-all to improve her
lot.  In fact, the duck-witted non-solutions from Congress make it
more attractive to leave lead in place, since the removal is now so
costly, cumbersome, and complicated.  Oh, and legally dangerous.

Yes We Can't!

There are huge federal grants for lead abatement.
They scrape paint off and paint to "encapsulate" it.
Old window casements are replaced with vinyl
because sliding the old windows up and down
grinds the old paint or varnish in the tracks
into fine dust.
Old "slate" siding that is more like thin concrete
contains asbestos in the mix.
Instead of removing it they just put siding
over it, actually breaking it open in the process.

An 80K house can get a 30K+ grant, as long as
the owner doesn't sell the house within 5 years.

I know of at least 6 houses that got lead and
asbestos abatement grants like that just
two summers ago.

Our government just defecates money for stuff like that.

And keep in mind that the asbestos and the
lead paint threats are reduced but not removed.

The contractors hire mostly ex-cons so
dumb that they mix an entire 30 Lb bag
of concrete to fill a 3 Lb hole.

I hate the nanny state and their saccharine
spending of everybody's money too, but we
were using pthalate esters everywhere, even
in baby bottle nipples, before we realized
they were reprotoxins, reproductive toxins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phthalate

From the OP article about triclosan in soaps:
"To me it looks like the risks outweigh any benefit associated with
these products right now," said Allison Aiello, professor at the
University of Michigan's School of Public Health. "At this point, it's
just looking like a superfluous chemical."
 
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