Extension Lead Test

[Phil Allison]

"David Eather"

No, but I buy a lot of stuff from China.

** Then the whole business of safety and compliance with standards is YOUR
PROBLEM - pal !!!

Cos YOU are the IMPORTER !!!!
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OTOH - my post involved a brand name mains extension lead, bought at a
major retail store here in Australia.

You comments are entirely SMARTARSE as they derive from a different
context where the LEGAL ONUS is on the IMPORTER to comply with electrical
safety laws.

The simplest way for a small time importer to comply, is to ditch any AC
leads that came with the item and source a fully approved example locally.


..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Tserkezis"

And this crap will STILL be imported regardless.

** By whom ??

Backyard Ebay sellers and a few similar gung ho types who have no idea what
the safety laws are ??

I challenge you to point to even one such dealer who is doing this.



..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"kreed"
"Phil Allison"

Yes, I remember cases of this type being exposed on this group going
back to at least 2002.
IEC leads.
I still remember a certain dickhead who despite the technical facts,
continued to argue the point.


** That poster was called "Miro".

A blow-in from "aus.photo" and "alt.satellite.tv.australasia".

Wot a lunatic.



..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"David Eather is off with the Fairies"

The legal obligation of the importer ends at making *reasonable* ..

** Fraid you are completely, 1000 % WRONG !!!!!!!

Appliance leads ( IEC, extension etc) are PRESCRIBED items under
Australian electrical safety laws.

You cannot LEGALLY import and sell them unless YOU have obtained the
appropriate certifications and have the required labelling printed or
embossed ON the items - or you can be prosecuted.

Seems you have not got the faintest clue what all this is even means.

Go have a GOOD look at an Australian supplied IEC lead sometime - pal.

There have labelling codes on them that identifies the IMPORTER - and that
is NOT on a foreign market one.

See all those funny 3 and 4 digit N, Q and V prefix numbers on the plugs and
the cable ?????

Got any idea what they mean ????

Obviously not.

THIS FACT is where your smug arrogance is letting you down.

Are you just making objections because it's fun for you?

** Not at all.

You are another know nothing, PITA dickhead.

Clue up or piss off.



..... Phil

 

[John Tserkezis]

** By whom ??

By everyone Phil. Don't you get it? It won't make a shit of
difference that every power cord that comes in needs to stamped,
C-Ticked and certified before it enters the country.

No wait, they already are. And how much of a difference has it made
Phil? Are we supposed to check every fucking authentically stamped
cable to make sure it isn't a fake?

Backyard Ebay sellers and a few similar gung ho types who have no idea what
the safety laws are ??

And the rest here.

I challenge you to point to even one such dealer who is doing this.

Here? Lots. Hop on the net and look for ANY yumcha compter parts
retailer here. Probably a 95% chance of finding a fake cable.

 

[John Tserkezis]

Clue up or piss off.

Phil, it appears you've been yanking so much you don't realise
yourself. What's stamped on the cable is meaningless, they're fakes.

At the end of the day, these fakes are making it in to the retailer
then consumer level, and the CONSUMER has no means to check the validity
of the cable, it isn't their job anyway.

Fine you say, it's the retailer. Prosecute them? Fine that fucking
means NEARLY ALL of them.

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Tserkezis = Lunatic "

Fine you say, it's the retailer.

** Where ever did I say that ?

Quite sure I referred only to IMPORTERS !!!!!!!!

Prosecute them?

** Easy to report any that you find - it aint hard to do, just a phone
call.

The authorities will investigate, issue recalls & public warnings and take
legal proceedings if need be.

Myself and Ross Herbert managed to get quite an investigation going in WA a
while back - dozens of street front retailers in the PC game were visited
& checked by the WA energy authority.

Boxes were opened and display items checked on.

Fraid not one illegal IEC lead was discovered.

Fine that fucking means NEARLY ALL of them.

** That is 100% paranoid CRAP !!!

Put up or shut up you lying wog ****.

My god you one evil wog pig.



..... Phil

 

[keithr]

It's all bullshit.

We did our own cable testing in-house at my last job, and I assure you,
the cable tester did not in the least care about current (or perhaps)
resistance testing. And as long as it got an OK from the tester box, we
signed the label, and the auditors were happy as pie.

We tested it with the chinese bullshit IEC power cables, and all of
them passed with flying colours. All they do is check to see each wire
goes to where it's supposed to, and there isn't high voltage leakage
between them.

Passed with flying colours and I routinely threw them out because I
could not, and would not trust them.

The supplier doesn't care. The most you'll do is legally *make* them
supply real cables and throw out the fake ones.
Per unit product price jumps by $10, and your supplier of $15 chinese
hard drive cases now charges $25 for the same thing.

And you're still paying $15 because you're now shopping from his next
door neighbour who still hasn't been nabbed yet, especially since your
first supplier has since gone out of business, and you're sourcing real
leads cheaper in quantity from elsewhere anyway.



*THAT* is reality, and how does this help *anyone*?.

A friend of mine in the UK had a business making cables. He made all
sorts, audio, video, and mains leads. He eventually gave it away because
imported Chinese cables, especially mains leads, were being retailed for
less than his cost of materials. Since he was buying his materials on
the same open market as they were, there was obviously some major
difference in the quality of the product being used.

 

[Phil Allison]

"David Eather is off with the Fairies"

I really am not being smug in the least.

** You are nothing but smug.

You imagine you understand something you do NOT.

You refuse to be corrected.

That is smug.


...... Phil

 

[Metro]

Does anyone know what electrical qualifications this idiot Allison has.? Or
any others for that matter. Maybe when he leaves school he may mature. It
would take a while though. Just a thought

 

[F Murtz]

Does anyone know what electrical qualifications this idiot Allison has.? Or
any others for that matter. Maybe when he leaves school he may mature. It
would take a while though. Just a thought

Phil has quite a bit of electrical knowledge,He is just extremely annoying.

 

[Mr.T]

Phil has quite a bit of electrical knowledge

Pity not as much as he thinks.

He is just extremely annoying.

In the running for understatement of the year!

MrT.

 

[John Tserkezis]

Does anyone know what electrical qualifications this idiot Allison has.? Or
any others for that matter. Maybe when he leaves school he may mature. It
would take a while though. Just a thought

At last count, Phil claims that fake IEC power leads do not even exist.
Regardless of the fact that I've initially offered one for him to test.
(No response yet as to his interest on this).

Feel free to use Google groups to gather evidence of your own.
I've spent some time in the loony bin. (also documented)
You're welcome to make up your own mind as to who the real loony is.

 

[Phil Allison]

"John Tserkezis"

At last count, Phil claims that fake IEC power leads do not even exist.

** I was the FIRST person to raise the matter of fake IEC leads here on
August 2, 2002 under the heading " IEC lead scam ?? "

Hi to all,

I have in my workshop a standard (black) IEC female to three pin lead
which arrived with a repair job. The 3 pin plug was damaged so I cut it off
and began to prepare the wires when I stopped dead.


On the IEC plug is printed "10 A / 250 V " and on the cable itself is
printed "18 AWG x 3C " - it is 6.5 mm in diameter.


The wire in fact consists of 18 strands of 0.11mm copper or about 0.17 sq
mm in total while 18 AWG is equal to 0.82 sq mm.


The very thin cable actually used equates to a rating of maybe 4 amps -
this is very dangerous.


I will try to discover where this lead came from.


Regards, Phil


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The above is post resulted in a 135 post long thread PLUS follow up
threads of 41 and 21 posts.

http://groups.google.com.au/group/a...up:aus.electronics+author:phil+author:allison

Regardless of the fact that I've initially offered one for him to test.

** No point in testing any lead when JT will not reveal where it came from.

Feel free to use Google groups to gather evidence of your own.

** Backs me up utterly and completely.

I've spent some time in the loony bin. (also documented)

** That is no surprise ........

You're welcome to make up your own mind as to who the real loony is.

** Think the game is all over - pal.



..... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"David Eather"

You are very selective in your memory of history, and you see enemies
where there are none. I'm done.

** Was never my intention to insult or make an enemy of you, David.

But rather to get your ATTENTION and make you realise that you have NOT
done your homework re what has long been the LAW relating to importing
electrical / electronic items into Australia for resale.

A few minutes on Google turned up the page listed below from Australian
state bodies that regulate the sale of electrical goods.

They all say the same thing - the sale of imported appliances appearing on
the " Prescribed Items " ( aka Declared Items) list is * ILLEGAL * without
the importer first obtaining the required approval certificate from the
relevant state body.

Detachable AC power leads that come with practically every item of mains
powered electronics these days ARE prescribed items - the whole lot of
them. In the regulations, they are generally called " Supply Flexible
Cords".

Here is some reading for you and others:

http://www.approvalsandcertification.com.au/Assets/prescribed articles.pdf

http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/energysafety/PDF/Factsheets/safety_electrical_ap.pdf

http://www.esv.vic.gov.au/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=hcWN4fpYYMM=&tabid=56&mid=416

http://www.saaapprovals.com.au/files/Declared_Electrical_Products_General_List.pdf

http://www.saaapprovals.com.au/frequently_asked_questions.html


Standard practice to avoid the absurd hassle of getting each and every AC
cord approved yourself - is to DITCH and destroy any non-Australian
approved AC supply cord that arrives packed with imported items and replace
it with one from a * known supplier* that has the required approvals and
markings applied already.

Eg; the Q1803 single channel CRO I bought from DSE a while back came
packed with an approved 1.8M long IEC lead - made in China but approved by
the Queensland authority.

The IEC female carries no: Q03584
The 3-core cable carries no: Q03403
The Aussie plug carries no: Q03586

The cable is further labelled as " 3 x 0.75 sq mm " and checks out OK on
that with 45 milliohms resistance per conductor.

A similar IEC that cord came packed with my Rigol CRO (direct from China)
has no such markings and it not legal to sell here despite it checking out
OK.


...... Phil

 

[Phil Allison]

"kreed"

While there, I noticed an black coloured extension cable of
approximately 15 metre, with moulded ends (ie: not home made) that
was clearly marked 0.75 mm sq on the cable.

It stood out because the writing on the black cable was in white. It
was connected to an urn. I would guess this would easily be a 10a
load.

The urn wasn't on so I don't know how hot it would get. I informed the
person in charge that the cord was illegal and should be destroyed and
replaced.

** Where did you get that idea from ???

The 1 sq mm conductor, 10 amp rated extension cable I tested reached its max
safe operating temp of 75C with 24 amps passing through it.

A simple calculation shows that a 0.75 sq mm version would dissipate the
same heat per metre if the current were 21 amps. ( 21 squared / 24 squared
= 0.76 )

So there is a big safety margin above nominal for both cables and the
difference in current handling is fairly small.

Most IEC leads use 0.75 sq mm and so do many extension leads.


...... Phil