ENERGY AUDIT

[George Ghio]

The TBFDU strikes again! You might as well get that "kick me" sign
tattooed on. See if you can get a sense of humor transplant while you're
at it.


Oh yeah, I'm sure to shut up after how many? dozens of your outrageous
accusations. If your plan is to keep writing until I shut up, then my
advice is for you to design and install a caffeine IV. You're my pet
project now, so get used to it.

Wayne

Thats nice. Trouble is your have to wait for the sun to come out while I
whit my pissy little system can post whenever I like.

Show us the numbers.

George

 

[George Ghio]

I found the design and building of this tower to be a real challenge.
Several people provided helpful insights during the process. Tim
O¹Flaherty of Nova Scotia, a tireless wind energy advocate and frequent
contributor to the Usenet group alt.energy. renewable, directed me to
the AWEA discussion group http://www.egroups.com/group/awea_wind_home.
From there I corresponded with Michael Klemen of North Dakota. Mike
operates several large wind generators, and his web site
http://www.ndsu.nodak.edu/ndsu/klemen/ has a detailed data history for
each. It also has an organized collection of links to AWEA discussion
posts. A very useful resource for anyone considering wind power. Bob
Pechie of Connecticut also provided much feedback. He has a site
http://www.northeastwindenergy.com/ which includes photos of some
impressive towers he has built. And

Eugene Maslov, an aircraft engineer from Russia who has some prior
experience building wind generators, put in a good deal of time making
calculations to proof my guess-and-by-golly tower material choices.
Occasionally, after finishing a day¹s work welding pieces together, I'd
e-mail Eugene the latest photos. By morning there were detailed
comments, drawings, and annotated photos awaiting me.


Very impressive, especially considering the distance. I would highly
recommend him to anyone needing his services. His web site
http://www.people.nnov.ru/maslov/index.html#accord201 has photos and
details of his very interesting amphibious aircraft designs.

Yep! Wayne designed his system. NOT.

Sad case really.

George

 

[George Ghio]

Wayne says:

For example - we¹re able to use nearly all of the energy the system
produces because we¹re generally home to take advantage of it. Likewise,
we¹re able to match our loads to the production. This isn¹t complicated,
it just means that if we¹re aware that if there¹s excess energy
available, then it¹s a good time to do laundry, baking, etc.

As you can see this snippit tells all. Work while the sun is out.


George

 

[George Ghio]

Wayne says:

The heart of an off-grid system is a battery bank. These come in various
shapes and types, but they are often little more than several golf-cart
batteries wired together. The object is to be able to store enough
energy so that the system will run overnight and when there's no sun, so
several days' storage capacity is best.

Well this is what he says. Sometimes.


George

 

[George Ghio]

Wayne says:

System monitors are electronic gauges used to evaluate system status,
such as how fully charged the batteries are, and how much power is being
generated or consumed.

Still can't show the numbers though.

George

 

[George Ghio]

Wayne says:

practical days autonomy, reduced demand, zero PV or wind output - 2

Reduced how much. Wayne can't tell you cause he doesn't know what Days
Of Autonomy means


George

 

[George Ghio]

Oh yeah. almost forgot

SHOW US THE NUMBERS!

George

 

[wmbjk]

Thats nice. Trouble is your have to wait for the sun to come out while I
whit my pissy little system can post whenever I like.

Yup, I see you're trying to prove that you can indeed post at night.
Seven posts to a single thread in one night no less! I love it. But
George, if you don't write 8 posts the next night, then someone might
think your batteries are low. I suggest you post every few minutes all
night every night just in case.

Wayne

 

[wmbjk]

Yep! Wayne designed his system. NOT.

Sad case really.

Yes George, I sought help to verify my plans for the tower. I even did
some things differently based on that advice. Plus I admitted that if I
had it to do over, I'd change yet some more things. Since you spend so
much time at my web site, why don't you use the link there to drop
Eugene a line and ask him whether he would say that most of the tower
design was my work or his? He's a very approachable fellow, and it's
fine by me if you post his response right here.

I see that you left out the part about me welding that tower almost
entirely using my home power setup. How many hours would your generator
have to run to do the same thing? And since you seem to believe that
seeking help on the tower proves that another designed everything else,
it's time for you to post a few tower engineering calculations to prove
that a solar "consultant" should know how to do structural engineering.
Or you could just put up some photos of projects of similar difficulty
that *you've* "designed". I'm thinking that's not as likely as a few
more dozen irrational posts instead.

One more thing... would you say that excerpts from my site, or from your
book, are the most widely published? LOL

Wayne

 

[George Ghio]

Show us the numbers.

But then you can't can you.

But then you don't even have enough energy to answer your own statements.


Sonny you have not come close to the welding I have done.
George

 

[George Ghio]

Yup, I see you're trying to prove that you can indeed post at night.
Seven posts to a single thread in one night no less! I love it. But
George, if you don't write 8 posts the next night, then someone might
think your batteries are low. I suggest you post every few minutes all
night every night just in case.

Wayne

Still waiting for those numbers. Wayne.

Can't do can you?

You don't even have answers for your own statements.

George

 

[George Ghio]

One more thing... would you say that excerpts from my site, or from your
book, are the most widely published? LOL

LOL is certainly what your site generates.

George

PS Show us the numbers.

 

[wmbjk]

PS Show us the numbers.

Up all night again eh George? Amazing that you keep criticizing my site
when *yours* is so cheesy http://users.rraz.net/wmbjk/tbfdu.htm What a
turkey! Good likeness of you though. BTW, I don't remember seeing the
fuel for that pipe in any of your "audits".

Wayne

 

[George Ghio]

The Oooh - Aaaah Factor.
This is a ruse used by braggerts and shysters
to divert you from asking questions they can not answer.
The oooh - aaaah factor works like this.
This fellow has a solar power system. He uses it to run his house. Now
this fellow took a design from a book and said to himself Œthis should
work¹. As it turns out he had to add more panels because the system
design was for a house that used less energy. He is also a braggert and
would never admit to this.

Anyway this fellow subscribes to the oooh - aaaah factor. So when people
see his system and ask him about it he can¹t resist the urge to bragg
about it.

After all he loves the attention it brings. The fellow offers to show
the visitor the system and says let¹s start with the batteries. ŒHere is
the battery set¹, he says continuing with, Œthese batteries weigh as
much as your car¹.

ŒOooh. How much can you run from them¹?, the visitor asks.

The braggert counters with Œum well it¹s like this each cell weighs one
twelfth as much as your car¹.

ŒAaaah¹, says the visitor.

You can see how it works. The braggert never really answers the question
but always throws in some impressive but totally useless fact to divert
the visitor from learning that the braggert really knows nothing at all.

The braggert sees that the visitor is impressed and says Œthese are the
inverters, they run the house¹.

ŒHow much can you run from them?, the visitor asks.

ŒWell, quite a lot really. After all they weigh 130 pounds each¹.

ŒOooh, really that¹s amazing¹.

ŒOver here is my big welder. See the wheels that is because it is really
heavy¹.

Aaah.

ŒYes, I welded the tower for the wind generators with it¹.

ŒOoooh¹.

ŒAnd we even have a dishwasher¹.

ŒHow much energy does that use¹?

ŒIt will wash a full twelve piece dinner service, including the gravy
boat¹.

ŒAaaah¹



Wayne cannot give you the numbers to make sense of his claims as posted
on his site.

So you lot who have been following this thred have been relegated to the
position of Ooooh Aaaah spectators by Wayne. He seems to think that you
are stupid enough to fall for the ooooh aaaah ploy.

If you have followed this group for any time at all then you should be
able to work out at least some of the scant numbers on his site.

I suggest that you have a close look at the site. It is an interesting
system. No real information as to load but still of interest to those
who are looking at alterntive energy systems.

As for me. Well I can see past Waynes bluster. When Wayne can present
the numbers that have meaning for his system in a coherent manner then I
might find time to respond. Until then this thread is a deadend.

George L Ghio

 

[wmbjk]

When Wayne can present the numbers that have meaning for his system in

a coherent manner

Weasels have no business using words like "coherent".

Until then this thread is a deadend.

George Ghio has run out of harebrained assertions?!! :-( Guess I
need to go see if it's raining frogs as well.

Here's my advice George - get caught up on your sleep and take a day off
to go outdoors and enjoy the scenery. No one doubts that once you're
rested and refreshed you'll be pumping out outrageous nonsense again
with renewed vigor.

Wayne

 

[Jeff]

The motor is belt driving a car alternator (24V nominal DC output), so
RPM can be whatever I want. Which is one of the reasons I built the
thing instead of just plumbing 120 into the inverter-chargers as I had
previously. At 70 Amps, even at the reduced revs it only drops a little
when the field is turned on. It isn't nearly as quiet as as one of those
Honda EU2000s, but it's a lot quieter than most any standard generator.
The engine has pressure lube, a balance shaft, and is lightly loaded.

Which is a great combination for long life, and possibly for good
efficiency, however, the belt drive does waste some energy.

I'm really happy with the way it turned out. Field control is by a
crummy rheostat, I need to do something about that some day. A timer
would be nice too.

I think I have a schematic of a field control in PDF format around here
that's easy to build, and requires only a handful of parts (under 10 IIRC).
All that would be required is a slight change in a refernce voltage or a few
resistors for 24V. Would you like a copy? Electronic field control is very
simple, due to the stored magnetic energy in the rotor, along with a free
wheeling diode will provide magnetism after the field current is turned off
for a fraction of a second. This means that the field can be turned off when
the voltage gets too high, and then turned on when it gets too low. If done
really fast by electronic means, the voltage remains very stable. This is
how almost all automotive alternator regulators work.