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Electronic cooling chip

I remember watching a tv show on extreme homes awhile ago. The house
in question was off the grid and the homeowner had rigged his own
refrigerator with some sort of solid state chip that when
powered...cooled on one side and heated on the other.

I'm fairly electronic deficient so could someone explain to me in
laymans terms what kind of "chip" is was and how it works?

Thanks,

Hoopy
 
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Ecnerwal

Jan 1, 1970
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I remember watching a tv show on extreme homes awhile ago. The house
in question was off the grid and the homeowner had rigged his own
refrigerator with some sort of solid state chip that when
powered...cooled on one side and heated on the other.

I'm fairly electronic deficient so could someone explain to me in
laymans terms what kind of "chip" is was and how it works?

Pelter Thermoelectric cooler. Said homeowner would be in the "not too
swift" category, as they are not very efficient, and thus a waste of
power in an off-grid house. But smart people make bad TV, I guess.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltier_cooler
 
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danny burstein

Jan 1, 1970
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Pelter Thermoelectric cooler. Said homeowner would be in the "not too
swift" category, as they are not very efficient, and thus a waste of
power in an off-grid house. But smart people make bad TV, I guess.

While they're less efficient, they do have some advantages
that might make up for it.

First, they're _silent_.
Second, they're pretty tolerant of voltage shifts
third, there's no startup surge demand

and finally.... if you design a refrigerator from
scratch, you can make it a well insulated _top load_,
"chest type" unit. This is much, much, more efficient
than a front door type, and significantly reduces
the amount of cooling you need to keep tings stable.

Building the cooling system for a homebrew is much
easier with a Peltier than with Freon tubes and compressors.

Note that you _won't_ have any "reserve cooling" capacity,
so if you put something warm in it, it's going to take
quite awhile to cool off.
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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danny burstein said:
While they're less efficient, they do have some advantages
that might make up for it.

First, they're _silent_.
Second, they're pretty tolerant of voltage shifts
third, there's no startup surge demand

and finally.... if you design a refrigerator from
scratch, you can make it a well insulated _top load_,
"chest type" unit. This is much, much, more efficient
than a front door type, and significantly reduces
the amount of cooling you need to keep tings stable.

Building the cooling system for a homebrew is much
easier with a Peltier than with Freon tubes and compressors.

If you were going to use a mechanical system why use freon? (And
presumably a rankin cycle) when you can use air and a stirling cycle
driven by all sorts of means.


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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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danny said:
In <[email protected]> Ecnerwal



While they're less efficient, they do have some advantages
that might make up for it.

How much less efficient?
First, they're _silent_.
Second, they're pretty tolerant of voltage shifts
third, there's no startup surge demand

not to mention, cheap.
Note that you _won't_ have any "reserve cooling" capacity,
so if you put something warm in it, it's going to take
quite awhile to cool off.

Even with my current propane fridge, that's an issue - so everything cools
to room temperature before going in the fridge.
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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Kent Hoult said:
Compressor coolers are in the 45% efficiency area.
I presume that is a Rankin cycle system. Do you know the numbers for a
Stirling cycle refrigirator?



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Benedict White

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Derek Broughton

Jan 1, 1970
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Benedict said:
I presume that is a Rankin cycle system. Do you know the numbers for a
Stirling cycle refrigirator?

Or my propane absorption refrigerator, for that matter.
 
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Benedict White

Jan 1, 1970
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Derek Broughton said:
Or my propane absorption refrigerator, for that matter.

Propane absorption? How does that work then?




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RamRodOz Sword of Baal

Jan 1, 1970
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Benedict White said:
Propane absorption? How does that work then?


Icy Ball



The best and simplest way to explain the workings of an absorption
refrigerator, is to explain how an icy ball works.



It is the for runner of an absorption refrigerator (kero, porta gas,
electric element) .



There are two steel balls, connected at the top by a steel pipe.



Inside the balls is a mixture of ammonia and water.



The balls are turned up so all the liquid runs into one ball, and then that
ball is heated, while the other is placed in a container of water to keep it
cool.



The ammonia is driven from the liquid, into the second water cooled ball
where it condenses into liquid ammonia.



After a period, you have water in one ball, and liquid ammonia in the
second.



The ball containing the liquid ammonia is placed in a specially build 'ice
chest' and the ball with the water in is located outside the 'ice chest'



Then the ammonia starts to evaporate, causing that ball to get quite cold,
the ammonia gas produced travels through the steel pipe into the ball with
the water. There it gets absorbed into the water.



The refrigeration effect will continue until all the ammonia has been
absorbed.



Then it is necessary to re do the heat and water in the container trick.



Absorption refrigerators work on the same principle, but are continuous in
operation, which is much more complicated, but in essence the same idea of
ammonia being absorbed by the water.



Some have some hydrogen in them to assist the flow.



Be aware that ammonia is nasty stuff, it burns, it explodes, it corrodes
copper etc hence the use of steel. Ammonia if it gets free creates extremely
strong alkaline solution when it gets into moisture, that will cause serious
injury, lungs and eyes are prime targets.



In places where ammonia is used there is special safety gear for the
protection of workers, one cannot speak to harshly of the effects of
ammonia. IE do not muck about with it.



Because of its toxic nature ammonia is NOT suitable for use as an air
conditioning refrigerant.

In air conditioning the absorption plants have water as the refrigerant, and
ammonia is not used.



In general the absorption system is very inefficient, and when used as an
air conditioning system, is usually heated by 'waste heat' from some other
process.



The absorption air conditioning units are temperamental and can 'stick'
causing problems.



They are fairly involved types of systems.



From memory a commercial system I was looking at years ago required twice
the heat input and to equal the cooling. IE 2.to 1 not att all efficient.
 
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m Ransley

Jan 1, 1970
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They have limited use, ive seen them in motorcycle helmets, portable
coolers, but cost and inneficiency are drawbacks.
 
Neon John said:
Even when there isn't a complete electrical circuit, the pile itself
is quite thermally conductive so heat rushes right back in. It's like
trying to move flood water with a broom - it kinda works as long as
you're operating the broom but stop for an instant and the flood is back.

Then again, we have Skutterites on the horizon, with an electrical/thermal
conductivity ratio close to 20, vs 1.

Nick
 
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JSF

Jan 1, 1970
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Then again, we have Skutterites on the horizon, with an electrical/thermal
conductivity ratio close to 20, vs 1.

Nick

Like Fusion power has been on the horizon for 50 years,
still wating.
 
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