Drill Now for oil

[JosephKK]

donald wrote:
How about we:
[...]
get public transportation working,

Bwahahahahahaha! [...]
Most public transportation is a political boondoggle.

Typical Republican:
Won't look beyond the top layer on public mechanisms. 8-|
(Think: more person-miles/gallon==cleaner air
and--for the folks who insist on a 2-ton chunk of stuff
to transport a single person--less road congestion.)

That's a great _theory_, provided you somehow create significant
rider-ship. You clearly have no idea of the population density
distribution in Arizona... we're now above 100 miles west-to-east in
the Phoenix metro area... mostly single-family housing.

Maybe it's just a stopped-clock-right-twice-a-day thing
but last year somebody at Orange County Transit
decided to NOT get rid of the buses they normally retire.
Now, they have a reserve that they put to work at peak hours
--and the ridership numbers are definitely up.

It's a dense area that I feel is unfit to live in.

One model _does_not_fit_all_!
Agreed.

You can't even crank up your car for $3--much less ride all day.

I can now drive cheaper than I can fly. AND be comfortable.

They even had a give-us-a-try-for-free program.
http://www.google.com/search?q=cach...x+June.16.to.20+free-one-day-*-passes&strip=1

Japanese-manufactured. 8-(

In Tennessee ;-)

Yup. Why can't 'murcan manufacturers make this change? Unions?
Regulations? What??

truck and SUV plants are closing?

..and people are parking their ridiculous vehicles.

get the air breathable again,

You know not of what you speak.
Air quality is _dramatically_ better than it was in the '50's.
[. . .]

In some big cities and some other places, not everywhere.

As usual you have your leftist weenie head up your ass. '50's
education WAS better, air quality was NOT.

Cars WERE more powerful ;-)

Were they? I remember car average power was about 100 BHP in the
1960's. It seems to be about 200 BHP now. But i know my memory to
be somewhat faulty. Could someone check it out?

 

[krw]

Never mind that The Left's *Tax and spend*
is preferable to The New Right's *Borrow and spend*.

While neither is a good thing, tax and spend drives the economy to
zero, reducing the ability to pay equally. When the economy turns
down, the weenies simply spend more. That doesn't make the
Republicans.

It's been mentioned here before that Progressives spend their terms
cleaning up the economic messes that NeoCons leave behind
--only to have the NEXT Republican screw it up again.
http://www.bartcop.com/natl-debt_Chart-2004.jpg

Hogwash. What about the economic and other messes the progressives
hero FDR made? They're the granddaddy of all messes!

The Righties should just call their party what it is:
The Subsidize the Trans-Nationals and Send Jobs Overseas Party.

Funny. I didn't know Bill Clinton was a Republican.

For every one of the engineering jobs that the corps outsource,
there are lots of *other* jobs that go offshore.
...and don't try to say that this hasn't INCREASED on Dubya's watch
(with no new jobs to replace them).

There seem to be a lot of jobs around. In fact there aren't enough
skilled workers to fill them.

Let me know when you see job growth under a Republican
even keep pace with population growth.

For the last 6 years there has been a lot of job growth.

 

[Jim Yanik]

Vote Democrat... it's good for the consulting biz.

and for lawyers.

 

[JeffM]

While neither is a good thing,
Amen.

tax and spend drives the economy to zero,
reducing the ability to pay equally.

At least it's an honest approach.
Piling your debt onto your grandchildren is fundamentally dishonest.
It's a Ponzi scheme.

When the economy turns down, the weenies simply spend more.

It doesn't seem to slow down the Borrow-and-spenders.

That doesn't make the Republicans. [NO CARRIER]

It's been mentioned here before that Progressives spend their terms
cleaning up the economic messes that NeoCons leave behind
--only to have the NEXT Republican screw it up again.
http://www.bartcop.com/natl-debt_Chart-2004.jpg

Hogwash. What about the economic and other messes
the progressives hero FDR made?
They're the granddaddy of all messes!

Yeah. That
getting-the-nation-through-the-Coolidge/Hoover-Great-Depression
thing was a real bad legacy. 8-|

....though I'l concede that Social Security was a Ponzi scheme.

Funny. I didn't know Bill Clinton was a Republican.

....and George H.W. Bush said, "No new taxes".
Politics breeds policy aberations.

For the last 6 years there has been a lot of job growth.

"The Bush *job growth* record" is an oxymoron.
To repeat:
The rate of job creation hasn't even kept up with population growth.

 

[krw]

At least it's an honest approach.

No, it's really not.

Piling your debt onto your grandchildren is fundamentally dishonest.
It's a Ponzi scheme.

How does piling on more entitlements help "my grandchildren"?

It doesn't seem to slow down the Borrow-and-spenders.

It does slow down the tax-n-spenders. At least there is an economy
left to *hope* to be able to pay the bills.

That doesn't make the Republicans. [NO CARRIER]

It's been mentioned here before that Progressives spend their terms
cleaning up the economic messes that NeoCons leave behind
--only to have the NEXT Republican screw it up again.
http://www.bartcop.com/natl-debt_Chart-2004.jpg

Hogwash. What about the economic and other messes
the progressives hero FDR made?
They're the granddaddy of all messes!

Yeah. That
getting-the-nation-through-the-Coolidge/Hoover-Great-Depression
thing was a real bad legacy. 8-|

Complete nonsense.

...though I'l concede that Social Security was a Ponzi scheme.

...and George H.W. Bush said, "No new taxes".
Politics breeds policy aberations.

Silly statement. Even sillier to knuckle under to the DemonRATS and
go back on a silly statement.

"The Bush *job growth* record" is an oxymoron.

Only to a flaming weenie.

To repeat:
The rate of job creation hasn't even kept up with population growth.

Nonsense.

 

[Martin Griffith]

Doesn't it bother you any that the country, already over-run by
Mexicans, will be dominated by Mexican _voters_ once the DemocRATs get
in power?


...Jim Thompson

A bit like this then?

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4488/indianmk2.jpg



martin

 

[JeffM]

Doesn't it bother you any that the country,
already over-run by Mexicans,

Your racist prejudice is showing.
The brown-skinned people that I see
work their butts off and represent what's best about the USA.
Most don't affect the job numbers (1:1 warm-body/job ratio)
because most came here to WORK.
Many of them skew the job numbers IN THE POSITIVE DIRECTION
by having MULTIPLE jobs
because working 40 hours a week won't get them a living wage.

will be dominated by Mexican _voters_

That would be people who have jumped thru multiple hoops,
WORKED for their US citizenship,
and gotten off their butts to go to the polls.

Doesn't bother me a bit. If YOU feel threatened,
you should muster your clique of similarly-prejudiced tight-asses
and make sure THEY get to the polls in maximum numbers.

once the DemocRATs get in power?

A whole bunch of the brown-skinned people you despise
got here on Dubya's watch. Do I really have to tell you
about the border states that are trying to sue Washington
to get back the *state* money they have had to spend
to enforce the **Federal** immigration statutes?

 

[mpm]

Doesn't it bother you any that the country, already over-run by
Mexicans, will be dominated by Mexican _voters_ once the DemocRATs get
in power?

Luckily, the two words: "Immigration" and "Invasion" share many of
the same letters.
Sort of like: "Al Queda" and "Iraq"

Shouldn't be too difficult to re-write the history books.

-mpm

 

[MooseFET]

...just more bullshit from the DemocRATS talking points.

No this time it is election year BS from the Republicans. They are
acting as though leasing more land to the oil companies will lower gas
prices when the oil companies have said that they can't drill it.

 

[MooseFET]

Gosh, just recently i was reading that the oil companies cannot drill
all the leases that they have due to lack of equipment. Kind of
pointless to lease more just now.

Did you hear all the howling about the provision that takes the
undrilled leases back?

It seems that some of the smarter folks in Washington came up with the
idea that undrilled leases and unrecovered oil should time out after a
while. This prevents the oil companies from just holding the oil on
the books to drive up the stock price.

From the noises from the oil companies and their operatives, you'd
think this was the end of the world.

 

[Paul E. Schoen]

Did you hear all the howling about the provision that takes the
undrilled leases back?

It seems that some of the smarter folks in Washington came up with the
idea that undrilled leases and unrecovered oil should time out after a
while. This prevents the oil companies from just holding the oil on
the books to drive up the stock price.

From the noises from the oil companies and their operatives, you'd
think this was the end of the world.

I would not be surprised to find that oil companies have been doing things
to keep the cost of oil rising until it becomes profitable to drill in low
yield areas before these options run out. Once they are depleted, they will
have made their profits, and by then maybe we will lower our consumption or
foreign production will increase so prices can drop (at least a little).
But things may be happening faster and with more unintended consequences
than they predicted.

At the very least, it seems that the domestic auto/truck industry is
suddenly caught with present and future inventories of gas guzzlers they
can't sell, while more agile and farsighted companies are cranking out
economy vehicles as fast as they can. I don't feel sorry at all for
Detroit. Any of their layed off workers who are willing and able to work
hard for reasonable wages should be able to find jobs with companies that
make reasonable cars.

Paul

 

[krw]

No this time it is election year BS from the Republicans. They are
acting as though leasing more land to the oil companies will lower gas
prices when the oil companies have said that they can't drill it.

Classic weenie following the DemocRAT talking points, to the end.

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

<snip>
This guy wants to make it a crime to doubt man-made global warming.

It appears he isn't doing what you say he's doing. As the article
points out, he is "accusing them of actively spreading doubt about
global warming" when they were also "fully aware of the disinformation
about climate change they are spreading." And I believe he wants to
target CEOs (folks who are "in that kind of position") Horse of a
different color.

You won't be jailed unless you get into that kind of position in
control of the lives of others and then play an active role in
intentionally misinforming the public about a serious public health
issue.

I could be wrong, though. Perhaps he's got you in his sights.

Jon

 

[JeffM]

Some leftist weenie, here in AZ, sent a letter-to-the-editor
of our local neighborhood rag,
demanding they not print anything I have to say.

In _my_ letter I had even taunted them with a place to E-mail me...
JimsFanMail@... ;-)
8-D

Not a single response, and it's been a month now.

Not worth the effort?
About those we consider beyond saving, back home we would say
"Bless his heart" and just move on.

 

[Jonathan Kirwan]

We don't need no stinkin' Amendments!

I think the quote was,

"When you are in that kind of position, as the CEO of one the
primary players who have been putting out misinformation even
via organisations that affect what gets into school textbooks,
then I think that's a crime," he said in an interview with the
Guardian.

The use of 'crime' in the above is colloquial, I think. Nothing to go
rabid over. ... yet.

How about this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jun/19/climatechange.biofuels

Is killing a hundred million people also a crime against humanity?

That part of the EU's environmental strategy was, from the outset,
ill-conceived. Just as is corn production for ethanol here in the US.
Doomed silliness, from the get-go. It's the political equivalent of
re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Perhaps dogma *is* more important than childrens' lives.

Still applying unsound logic and false premises, I see, to form your
conclusions.

Jon

 

[Benj]

Socialists refuse to recognize that the US is not built in a manner to make
public mass transit practical for most people. It's just too big and spread
out.
Instead,they want to force a massive change upon the US people,at
unbelieveable costs.

Yep, you got it Jim. And the reasons are POLITICAL! Your CAR is your
FREEDOM! That's what has socialist panties in a bunch. When you are
riding light rail those in power get to control where and how you go
and keep track of you while you are doing it! In you car you could
leave right now telling nobody where you went (until you used your
credit or debit card at a pump to fill up) In the socialist view that
is an unpardonable "loophole".

So our Democrat Mayor in Columbus Ohio has got this great two hundred
million dollar socialist idea! STREET CARS for the city! Nothing like
a nice return to the 19th century to "modernize" a city, eh? Maybe
while we are at it we can bring back separate black and white drinking
fountains as well. (The mayor is black so that means the White
fountains have to be the scroungy ones!).

I'll tell you how stupid this all is. The first time I came to town
there WERE streetcars here! Dangerous, unsightly, and noisy. Those
eventually changed to electric trolley buses which morphed into
standard buses which in time had so low a ridership that they couldn't
stay in business. One guess as to the socialist (read that Democrat in
this case) solution? That's right get all the people NOT riding the
buses to pay for the few who do because, well, those few are POOR and
you are not!

Hey I rode the bus to work for some years. It was the biggest time
waster around. Slow. Schedules inconvenient. nasty bus drivers. lack
of service. and expensive even with taxpayer subsidies. (costs always
expand to fit the money). Now it's just one HUGE money waster and the
mayor wants to step even further back in time!

They are all gleeful over the idea of "light rail" between Cleveland,
Columbus and Cincinnati. DUH! In the 19th century such a system,
called the "inter-urban" was in use. The automobile killed if off
forever! (we hope). Would I ride "light rail" to Cleveland if say it
cost $25 for the trip (slightly more than the cost of gas in a small
car) Sure. No driving. Relax and enjoy the ride! But you know it would
never be that cheap and now ask the HUGE question: What do I do when I
get there? How do I get to where I want to go out in the suburbs of
the city? Taxi at huge fee? More buses? More light rail? How much does
it all cost? How long would it take me to make the REAL trip (which is
to my destination, not to downtown Cleveland)? Can you see how utterly
moronic this "light rail" thing is?

Then why are all socialists all in love with "light rail"? Because it
"smashes" your freedom. They HATE freedom! They want government to do
and "control" all! So long as the people still have a choice, they say
the law still has "loopholes"!

Do you get it yet?

 

[JosephKK]

At least it's an honest approach.

No, it's really not.

Piling your debt onto your grandchildren is fundamentally dishonest.
It's a Ponzi scheme.

How does piling on more entitlements help "my grandchildren"?

It doesn't seem to slow down the Borrow-and-spenders.

It does slow down the tax-n-spenders. At least there is an economy
left to *hope* to be able to pay the bills.

That doesn't make the Republicans. [NO CARRIER]

It's been mentioned here before that Progressives spend their terms
cleaning up the economic messes that NeoCons leave behind
--only to have the NEXT Republican screw it up again.
http://www.bartcop.com/natl-debt_Chart-2004.jpg

Hogwash. What about the economic and other messes
the progressives hero FDR made?
They're the granddaddy of all messes!

Yeah. That
getting-the-nation-through-the-Coolidge/Hoover-Great-Depression
thing was a real bad legacy. 8-|

Complete nonsense.

...though I'l concede that Social Security was a Ponzi scheme.

...and George H.W. Bush said, "No new taxes".
Politics breeds policy aberations.

Silly statement. Even sillier to knuckle under to the DemonRATS and
go back on a silly statement.

"The Bush *job growth* record" is an oxymoron.

Only to a flaming weenie.

To repeat:
The rate of job creation hasn't even kept up with population growth.

Nonsense.

Yo, Jeff, Keith. Don't argue, post links to quality data.

 

[MooseFET]

I would not be surprised to find that oil companies have been doing things
to keep the cost of oil rising until it becomes profitable to drill in low
yield areas before these options run out. Once they are depleted, they will
have made their profits, and by then maybe we will lower our consumption or
foreign production will increase so prices can drop (at least a little).
But things may be happening faster and with more unintended consequences
than they predicted.

It may be a little much to assume intent but you can be sure that they
are happy about the higher gas prices and won't do things to push the
price down. They are more powerful than many countries but no smarter
governments. They can't predict the future. China and India are
developing a thirst for oil so I don't expect the oil prices to go
down very far.

At the very least, it seems that the domestic auto/truck industry is
suddenly caught with present and future inventories of gas guzzlers they
can't sell, while more agile and farsighted companies are cranking out
economy vehicles as fast as they can.

The countries that piled a lot of the tax burden on imported oil
caused their car companies to make cars with good fuel economy. I
think that this is a lot of what caused Honda Toyota etc to make the
small high milage cars. The companies responded to the market
forces. They didn't have to be smart to now have the advantage.

I don't feel sorry at all for
Detroit. Any of their layed off workers who are willing and able to work
hard for reasonable wages should be able to find jobs with companies that
make reasonable cars.

A lot of Toyota and Honda cars are made in the US using american
labor. These cars are well built and produced at reasonable costs
proving that the reliability problems with the american brand cars is
not the workers fault.

 

[MooseFET]

I haven't bought a Detroit product since 1977. (And I used to do a
lot of chip design work for all the American car companies.)

You designed the chips and you won't buy the product with it in it.
Is this a little like the Microsoft engineers who said they would
never fly on an airplane that was run by windows CE?

 

[MooseFET]

I think the quote was,

"When you are in that kind of position, as the CEO of one the
primary players who have been putting out misinformation even
via organisations that affect what gets into school textbooks,
then I think that's a crime," he said in an interview with the
Guardian.

The use of 'crime' in the above is colloquial, I think. Nothing to go
rabid over. ... yet.

Even if it really is about making a new law it still wouldn't impact
the scientists who disagree etc.