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Jamie Morken

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi all,

I am looking for some common cathode TO-247/TO-3P package schottky diodes
rated at 80V or so and at least 20Amps with as small voltage drop as
possible. After doing some searching at fairchildsemi.com and irf.com the
best I've found is the IRF "63cpq100" but this is $8.840 at digikey. Is
this about what I should expect to pay or are there other better diodes out
there possibly? Would it be possible to use the diodes out of old atx
powersupplies for this? I doubt they could handle the voltage but they
would be cheaper! :)

cheers,
Jamie Morken
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
Hi all,

I am looking for some common cathode TO-247/TO-3P package schottky diodes
rated at 80V or so and at least 20Amps with as small voltage drop as
possible. After doing some searching at fairchildsemi.com and irf.com the
best I've found is the IRF "63cpq100" but this is $8.840 at digikey. Is
this about what I should expect to pay or are there other better diodes out
there possibly? Would it be possible to use the diodes out of old atx
powersupplies for this? I doubt they could handle the voltage but they
would be cheaper! :)

cheers,
Jamie Morken

For SMPS, one wants fast recovery diodes, and it is also nice to have
low drop.
The diodes usually chosen for this are the Schottky diodes - but be
advised that they have a limited and low breakdown voltage rating.
 
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie Morken said:
Hi all,

I am looking for some common cathode TO-247/TO-3P package schottky diodes
rated at 80V or so and at least 20Amps with as small voltage drop as
possible.

I don't think you can *get* schottky diodes at 80 V PIV ratings - the
devices availble are likely to be multiple schottky chips in series within
the same package...schottky tends to max out at about 30 V!

You might well be much better off in terms of price, reliability and perhaps
even losses by using Fast, Soft-recovery Silicon Rectifiers with a rated
Avalance capability.
 
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Stefan Heinzmann

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
Hi all,

I am looking for some common cathode TO-247/TO-3P package schottky diodes
rated at 80V or so and at least 20Amps with as small voltage drop as
possible. After doing some searching at fairchildsemi.com and irf.com the
best I've found is the IRF "63cpq100" but this is $8.840 at digikey. Is
this about what I should expect to pay or are there other better diodes out
there possibly? Would it be possible to use the diodes out of old atx
powersupplies for this? I doubt they could handle the voltage but they
would be cheaper! :)

I don't understand. Do you need 80V or not? If so, using diodes from old
powersupplies with a lower rating won't help you.

In order to get the lowest price you don't specify higher ratings than
necessary. The example yo mentioned is a 60A/100V device. That's quite a
lot more than you need. No wonder the price is high.

Since you would be prepared to dig the diodes out of old dusty
powersupplies I assume you need very small quantities. Why's the price
so important then?
 
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Stefan Heinzmann

Jan 1, 1970
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Frithiof said:
I don't think you can *get* schottky diodes at 80 V PIV ratings - the
devices availble are likely to be multiple schottky chips in series within
the same package...schottky tends to max out at about 30 V!

Where did you get this wisdom from? The 63cpq100 mentioned by the OP
*is* a schottky double diode with 60A/100V rating. The forward voltage
rating makes it rather clear that it is not a series connection of two
or more diode chips. Why don't you check out the data sheet?
You might well be much better off in terms of price, reliability and perhaps
even losses by using Fast, Soft-recovery Silicon Rectifiers with a rated
Avalance capability.

The OP emphasized low forward drop as one of his main requirements. Do
you know anything about his application that I don't know that makes you
believe that higher forward voltage drop would actually be better?
 
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen

Jan 1, 1970
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Stefan Heinzmann said:
Frithiof Andreas Jensen schrieb:
Why don't you check out the data sheet?

Because I do not get paid to check up on other peoples work!
The OP emphasized low forward drop as one of his main requirements. Do
you know anything about his application that I don't know that makes you
believe that higher forward voltage drop would actually be better?

Do you actually believe that a silicon rectifier *always* have a higher
forward voltage than a schottky?

..... or do you rather think that this will depend on the forward current -
and the resulting losses will be very different for each rectifier type
depending on the shape of the forward current?

Do *you* know anything - about his application, that is?

When I see the poster saying: "are there other better diodes out there
possibly" after whining about being gouged $8.840 apiece the term
"better" - apparantly - applies to *price*, not forward voltage!!!

When one further reads: "Would it be possible to use the diodes out of old
atx powersupplies for this? I doubt they could handle the voltage but they
would be cheaper!" the term *cheaper* clearly takes precedence over even
*any functional requirement*.

The O.P. will know what he wants - I merely offered a viable alternative in
the assumption that the O.P. will know his application well enough to decide
for himself!
 
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Stefan Heinzmann

Jan 1, 1970
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote:

[...]
Do you actually believe that a silicon rectifier *always* have a higher
forward voltage than a schottky?

.... or do you rather think that this will depend on the forward current -
and the resulting losses will be very different for each rectifier type
depending on the shape of the forward current?

Clearly, forward voltage drop depends on the forward current for both
rectifier types. But I think in order to compare apples with apples we
have to compare similarly rated diodes at similar currents. Just as a
sanity check I looked at 3A/50V rectifiers for which I have some data
handy. The FUF5400 is an ultrafast silicon rectifier, whilst the SB350
is a similarly rated schottky diode. They come in the same package. The
Vf/If plot does not show a single place where the forward voltage of the
schottky rectifier even comes close to the silicon rectifier, even for
high peak currents. So, yes, while this is not an exhaustive proof, I do
assume that for all practical purposes the schottky diode has a lower
voltage drop than a similarly rated silicon diode under similar
operating conditions. If you know of exceptions to this please let me
know, as I would find it quite instructive to study them.

This does not touch subjects like switching speed, capacitance,
ruggedness etc. which may favor the silicon diode over the schottky.
Do *you* know anything - about his application, that is?

No. That's why I asked.
When I see the poster saying: "are there other better diodes out there
possibly" after whining about being gouged $8.840 apiece the term
"better" - apparantly - applies to *price*, not forward voltage!!!

When one further reads: "Would it be possible to use the diodes out of old
atx powersupplies for this? I doubt they could handle the voltage but they
would be cheaper!" the term *cheaper* clearly takes precedence over even
*any functional requirement*.

The O.P. will know what he wants - I merely offered a viable alternative in
the assumption that the O.P. will know his application well enough to decide
for himself!

It wasn't quite as clear to me what had precedence over what. Maybe the
OP can enlighten us here. The fact that he chose a 60A diode when 20A
would have sufficed tells me that he really *is* looking for the
smallest forward voltage drop, even when the price is higher. I had
silently assumed that he knew that a 20A diode would be cheaper than a
60A diode. If it had looked like a higher volume product I would have
even been tempted to suggest exploring synchronous rectification to get
the voltage drop down even further.
 
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Fritz Schlunder

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie Morken said:
Hi all,

I am looking for some common cathode TO-247/TO-3P package schottky diodes
rated at 80V or so and at least 20Amps with as small voltage drop as
possible. After doing some searching at fairchildsemi.com and irf.com the
best I've found is the IRF "63cpq100" but this is $8.840 at digikey. Is
this about what I should expect to pay or are there other better diodes out
there possibly? Would it be possible to use the diodes out of old atx
powersupplies for this? I doubt they could handle the voltage but they
would be cheaper! :)

cheers,
Jamie Morken


Rather than searching forward from the manufacturer to the distributor, how
about searching through the distributor's catalog instead?

Take a look here from Digikey's catalog for instance:

http://dkc3.digikey.com/pdf/T041/0593-0596.pdf

If you are willing to use a TO-220 part your options get larger. Some items
listed on that page of interest to you might be:

MBR2090CT 90V 20A $1.86
43CTQ100 100V 40A $3.15
MBR20100CT 100V 20A $2.03

And for TO-247 parts:

30CPQ090 90V 30A $3.44
40CPQ100 100V 40A $4.85

All prices are for single unit quantities.
 
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Jamie Morken

Jan 1, 1970
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Stefan Heinzmann said:
I don't understand. Do you need 80V or not? If so, using diodes from old
powersupplies with a lower rating won't help you.

In order to get the lowest price you don't specify higher ratings than
necessary. The example yo mentioned is a 60A/100V device. That's quite a
lot more than you need. No wonder the price is high.

Since you would be prepared to dig the diodes out of old dusty
powersupplies I assume you need very small quantities. Why's the price
so important then?

The board I am making has multiple 250watt atx transformers on it and uses
other components from atx powersupplies, such as the input filtering caps,
input series cap, output filtering caps, output coils, heatsinks and even
the cap discharging resistors! The point I hope I am getting across is that
it is worth my time to take apart dead atx powersupplies that I get from
computer stores for free. I guess they figure its me or the dumpster :)

I've taken apart 2 atx 250watt transformers and they are both wired
identically:
http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/pics/ATX/atx_primary_secondary.jpg

and also the 5 transformers I've checked all have the exact footprint:
http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/pics/ATX/atx dimensions.jpg

I am making the board using a fullbridge driver with 4 fets or igbt's (same
TO-247/TO-3P footprints) - ie. FDH44N50 or similiar. I drive the
transformer primaries in parallel and put the secondaries in series. Since
the fullbridge effectively gives twice the voltage range compared to the
halfbridge I'm not using an input voltage doubler.

My goal is to have a SMPS with voltage and current controlled digitally
using an AVR uC to control the bridge drivers and sense the output voltage
and shunt current. I am done the schematic and am working on the layout
now, thanks for the diode suggestions, I am using them! It is possible to
use 4 of those common cathode packages (using 1 diode per package pins 2,3)
for fullbridge rectification and still have the option of doing synchronous
rectification by dropping in a fet or igbt (pin1 gate, pin2 drain, pin3
source) so I am working on the control circuitry for that now.

not sure if I can use standard bridge drivers to control something like
this:
http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/pics/ATX/synchronous rectification.jpg

Thanks,

cheers,
Jamie Morken
 
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Stefan Heinzmann

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
The board I am making has multiple 250watt atx transformers on it and uses
other components from atx powersupplies, such as the input filtering caps,
input series cap, output filtering caps, output coils, heatsinks and even
the cap discharging resistors! The point I hope I am getting across is that
it is worth my time to take apart dead atx powersupplies that I get from
computer stores for free. I guess they figure its me or the dumpster :)

I've taken apart 2 atx 250watt transformers and they are both wired
identically:
http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/pics/ATX/atx_primary_secondary.jpg

and also the 5 transformers I've checked all have the exact footprint:
http://www.rocketresearch.org/new/pics/ATX/atx dimensions.jpg

I am making the board using a fullbridge driver with 4 fets or igbt's (same
TO-247/TO-3P footprints) - ie. FDH44N50 or similiar. I drive the
transformer primaries in parallel and put the secondaries in series. Since
the fullbridge effectively gives twice the voltage range compared to the
halfbridge I'm not using an input voltage doubler.

Ok, just to ensure I understand you right: You are trying to get higher
output voltages than in an ordinary ATX supply, therefore you operate
the primaries in full-bridge and the secondaries in series connection.
Specifically, you are trying to get 4 times the normal output voltage,
i.e. 20V.

That begs the question why you are so much interested in low forward
voltage drop in the schottky diode. Even a normal silicon diode would
cause less than 5% drop, so I would have thought that 100mV more or less
would not figure much in the grand scheme of things.

Another point: The transformer wiring scheme indicates that the original
power supply was probably using a push-pull topology. This would mean
that a full-bridge will not double the voltages. Do you know what the
original topology was?
My goal is to have a SMPS with voltage and current controlled digitally
using an AVR uC to control the bridge drivers and sense the output voltage
and shunt current. I am done the schematic and am working on the layout
now, thanks for the diode suggestions, I am using them! It is possible to
use 4 of those common cathode packages (using 1 diode per package pins 2,3)
for fullbridge rectification and still have the option of doing synchronous
rectification by dropping in a fet or igbt (pin1 gate, pin2 drain, pin3
source) so I am working on the control circuitry for that now.

Well, good luck! Although I don't know what the point in synchronous
rectification would be in your case.

Just out of curiosity: How do you power the AVR? And how is isolation
between primary and secondary side achieved in the control loop? What is
the switching frequency, is the AVR going to be fast enough?
 
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Jamie Morken

Jan 1, 1970
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Stefan Heinzmann said:
Ok, just to ensure I understand you right: You are trying to get higher
output voltages than in an ordinary ATX supply, therefore you operate
the primaries in full-bridge and the secondaries in series connection.
Specifically, you are trying to get 4 times the normal output voltage,
i.e. 20V.

Yes but I'd even like to hit at least 24Volts at 20Amps! :) The reason I
said 80V in the original post is partly because to get 24+ Volts out that
requires 48V peak coming from the transformer - assuming a 50% duty cycle.

The voltage across the +-5V taps on an atx transformer is really 20Volts I
think, and then that gets buck converted down to 10Volts from the LC output
filter.

That begs the question why you are so much interested in low forward
voltage drop in the schottky diode. Even a normal silicon diode would
cause less than 5% drop, so I would have thought that 100mV more or less
would not figure much in the grand scheme of things.

Well I could maybe avoid using a heatsink if I use lower voltage drop
diodes, but you are right, since this is AC powered it doesn't matter much I
guess. It is good to learn this stuff!
Another point: The transformer wiring scheme indicates that the original
power supply was probably using a push-pull topology. This would mean
that a full-bridge will not double the voltages. Do you know what the
original topology was?

Push-pull has +v going to the center tap and then fets grounding the sides I
think? All of the atx transformers that I've seen have the center tap not
connected to anything, and one end of the transformer primary goes to the
center of the two input caps and the other end of the primary goes to the
halfbridge.

Here is a schematic of an atx transformer I found:
http://pavouk.comp.cz/hw/en_atxps.html

Well, good luck! Although I don't know what the point in synchronous
rectification would be in your case.

Thanks, I will post details/schematic/layout if/when it works! :) I would
like to try synchronous rectification but am not sure if I can use normal
bridge driver IC's to control the fets and also the best way to determine
when to turn the fets on?
Just out of curiosity: How do you power the AVR? And how is isolation
between primary and secondary side achieved in the control loop? What is
the switching frequency, is the AVR going to be fast enough?

The AVR is on the secondary side and I power the secondary side from a DC-DC
isolated converter IC "DCR021205P"
Digikey part#: 296-9458-5-ND that is on the hotside, and that converter is
powered from a non-isolated 141VDC to 12VDC buck stepdown module: EHD-RD3326
Digikey part#: P11454-ND

The two bridge drivers (IR21844's) are on the primary side and I drive their
logic inputs from the secondary side through a 4 signal digital isolation IC
"IL715-3" Digikey part#: 390-1012-ND

Regarding the switching frequency, that is the nice thing about using a uC,
I can change it in software, and the AVR is plenty fast! :) I have used it
for DC brushed motor control (50kHz PWM) and I had lots of extra processor
time (atmega32 running at 14.7MHz)

cheers,
Jamie Morken
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Frithiof Andreas Jensen wrote...
Jamie Morken wrote ...

I don't think you can *get* schottky diodes at 80 V PIV ratings - the
devices availble are likely to be multiple schottky chips in series
within the same package...schottky tends to max out at about 30 V!

I was going to answer you, pointing out there're hosts of 80, 90
and 100V Schottky diodes available. In fact there're even 135, 150
and 200V power Schottky diodes. Like Sensitron's 40cpq200, which is
just one die, not two in series! Or IR's monster 86cnq200. Not to
be outdone, Sensitron has the 406nq200. Yes, that's 406A. Sheesh!

One thing we can see about these 100V and up high-voltage Schottkys,
at high currents the high series resistance of their wider depletion
gaps makes itself known, and their forward voltage drop approaches
or even passes ordinary silicon rectifier diodes. E.g., Sensitron's
40CPQxxx series has 550mV forward drop at 20A for the 35V part vs.
800mV for the 200V part (at 25C). The forward voltage drop climbs
gradually for each higher-voltage part in their series. It's easy
to find 200V silicon diodes that better Sensitron's 200V Schottky-
diode forward-voltage drop.

But high-voltage Schottkys still have the all-important benefit of
no reverse-recovery-time problem.

BTW, yo'se guys, remember that the word Schottky is capitalized.
Don'cha go forgettin' old man Schottky, now, ya know.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com
 
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Stefan Heinzmann

Jan 1, 1970
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Jamie said:
Yes but I'd even like to hit at least 24Volts at 20Amps! :) The reason I
said 80V in the original post is partly because to get 24+ Volts out that
requires 48V peak coming from the transformer - assuming a 50% duty cycle.

The voltage across the +-5V taps on an atx transformer is really 20Volts I
think, and then that gets buck converted down to 10Volts from the LC output
filter.

?!?

Sounds very dubious to me. The 24V secondary produces 48V peak reverse
voltage for the rectifier, but what has that got to do with the duty
cycle? That will have to be 50% anyhow or you would saturate your
transformer, or am I misunderstanding anything? And are you telling me
that you have a buck regulator on the output going down to 10V again?
What's the point of the whole exercise then?

And what I just realized now: The FDH44N50 is a 44A transistor. Are you
just slapping in the largest transistor you can find or are you actually
attempting to come up with a half-way reasonable setup?
Well I could maybe avoid using a heatsink if I use lower voltage drop
diodes, but you are right, since this is AC powered it doesn't matter much I
guess. It is good to learn this stuff!

Uhm, I start to get the impression that you try to learn from the wrong
end...
Push-pull has +v going to the center tap and then fets grounding the sides I
think? All of the atx transformers that I've seen have the center tap not
connected to anything, and one end of the transformer primary goes to the
center of the two input caps and the other end of the primary goes to the
halfbridge.

Here is a schematic of an atx transformer I found:
http://pavouk.comp.cz/hw/en_atxps.html

That's a half-bridge topology, you're right. Have you spotted the T2
wiring mistake in that schematic diagram?
Thanks, I will post details/schematic/layout if/when it works! :) I would
like to try synchronous rectification but am not sure if I can use normal
bridge driver IC's to control the fets and also the best way to determine
when to turn the fets on?

If you're controlling everything from the AVR, why not use it to control
the synchronous rectifiers, too?
The AVR is on the secondary side and I power the secondary side from a DC-DC
isolated converter IC "DCR021205P"
Digikey part#: 296-9458-5-ND that is on the hotside, and that converter is
powered from a non-isolated 141VDC to 12VDC buck stepdown module: EHD-RD3326
Digikey part#: P11454-ND

Isn't that rather silly? Why not use the standby power stuff from your
old ATX supply?
The two bridge drivers (IR21844's) are on the primary side and I drive their
logic inputs from the secondary side through a 4 signal digital isolation IC
"IL715-3" Digikey part#: 390-1012-ND

You have a knack for grossly overrated parts, haven't you? The IL715 is
for 100MBaud data transmission...
Regarding the switching frequency, that is the nice thing about using a uC,
I can change it in software, and the AVR is plenty fast! :) I have used it
for DC brushed motor control (50kHz PWM) and I had lots of extra processor
time (atmega32 running at 14.7MHz)

To be honest, I have come to doubt your judgement. If you proceed with
this circuit, make sure you wear goggles and rubber gloves, have a fire
extinguisher handy, and make sure there's someone nearby who knows how
to quickly shut off the mains supply. And make sure you've got enough
spare transistors...

Do keep us updated on your progress...
 
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Fritz Schlunder

Jan 1, 1970
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I am making the board using a fullbridge driver with 4 fets or igbt's (same
TO-247/TO-3P footprints) - ie. FDH44N50 or similiar. I drive the
transformer primaries in parallel and put the secondaries in series. Since
the fullbridge effectively gives twice the voltage range compared to the
halfbridge I'm not using an input voltage doubler.


Stefan Heinzmann suggested this choice of MOSFET may not be the best. I
agree with his sentiment. Although it is tempting to believe that the
larger the MOSFET the lower the loss by punching in some basic I^2*R
calculations, but this is not always the case. Switching loss is quite
significant in switch mode power supplies. Larger MOSFETs switch slower and
have larger output capacitances. The output capacitance will produce
switching loss that is independent of the current the device is actually
switching. As such you cannot reduce this loss by merely using an extremely
beefy gate driver. Excessively fast switching is also bad from an EMI
standpoint. In order to get the EMI down often one must install big snubber
components which may in some cases introduce more loss than simply slowing
down the switching transition speed.

Your target output power is 20A*24V IIRC. That is 480W. Assuming 80%
efficiency then the input power would be 480W/0.8 = 600W. Since you are not
using a voltage doubler and this is a full bridge topology I assume the
input voltage will be about 160V DC. This is of course assuming you live in
North America or other location that uses about 120V AC. Presumably the
effective DC input current would then be something like 600W/160V = 3.8A.

In the full bridge topology the primary side MOSFETs need to be rated for a
minimum breakdown voltage at least as high as the input voltage. Since the
input voltage is around 160V DC, this would mean you need MOSFETs rated for
say 200V. Perhaps a little bit more margin is desirable in case of mains
transient events, but a 250V rated MOSFET should be adequate.

As you have probably noticed as MOSFET breakdown voltage goes up, so does
their on resistance. Therefore it is usually most desirable to use the
minimum breakdown voltage rated MOSFET that is needed for any given job.
The 500V device you mention is a poor choice for this item alone. Besides
the potentially lower efficiency for using an oversized MOSFET, this beast
or similar is certain to be extremely expensive. When you need four of them
this can run into real money if you design your supply such that you explode
a great number of them.

I would strongly suggest using a MOSFET such as the IRF644N instead:

http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irf644n.pdf

This is a 250V 14A 0.24 Ohm Rds(on) TO-220 part that sells for US $0.84 in
ten unit quantities from Digikey. Using this device will likely yield
somewhat better or same efficiency compared with the FDH44N50 and be much
easier on the pocketbook. You will likely need heatsinks on your diodes and
your MOSFETs no matter what choice you make in this application.

If you persist at working on this project, and you make sure to do lots of
research (reading/searching the web/libraries) after every explosion event,
you will be an SMPS pro in relatively short order. If after every explosion
event you simply solder in new devices and try again without figuring out
what caused the failure and how to prevent similar events in the future, you
will likely never be very successful in this project. That said. Good
luck.
 
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Stefan Heinzmann

Jan 1, 1970
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Winfield said:
One thing we can see about these 100V and up high-voltage Schottkys,
at high currents the high series resistance of their wider depletion
gaps makes itself known, and their forward voltage drop approaches
or even passes ordinary silicon rectifier diodes. E.g., Sensitron's
40CPQxxx series has 550mV forward drop at 20A for the 35V part vs.
800mV for the 200V part (at 25C). The forward voltage drop climbs
gradually for each higher-voltage part in their series. It's easy
to find 200V silicon diodes that better Sensitron's 200V Schottky-
diode forward-voltage drop.

Maybe I'm looking at all the wrong places, but I haven't found any so
far. I already felt a little guilty for saying that the Schottkys
generally had lower forward voltage drop than silicon diodes and hearing
from you that this is not so, so I tried to find examples.

According to Sensitron's data sheet for the 40CPQ200 the forward voltage
drop at 20A and Tj = 125°C is 740mV max.

I found the BYV54V as a comparable silicon diode with "very low forward
losses" according to ST's datasheet. I deliberately chose a diode with
the same reverse voltage rating and a higher forward current rating in
order not to be accused of tilting the balance in favor of the Schottky.
The forward voltage drop of the BYV54V is 850mV at 50A, and 125°C, and
looking at the curve it seems to be between 750mV and 800mV at 20A.
Clearly they get close to each other, but I have yet to find a silicon
diode that actually beats the Schottky, in comparable circumstances.
Could you point me to one?
But high-voltage Schottkys still have the all-important benefit of
no reverse-recovery-time problem.

Which makes SiC Schottkys very interesting for higher voltages. BTW is
there a quick & simple explanation why their forward voltage has a
positive TC? I didn't research this yet, just found it remarkable.
BTW, yo'se guys, remember that the word Schottky is capitalized.
Don'cha go forgettin' old man Schottky, now, ya know.

Oh, sorry. Didn't want to diminish the old man in any way.
 
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Spehro Pefhany

Jan 1, 1970
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BTW, yo'se guys, remember that the word Schottky is capitalized.
Don'cha go forgettin' old man Schottky, now, ya know.

Win, I've been writing (for example) "Schottky diode" and "schottky"
(to refer to the device, not the man). Do you think this is wrong?

I have some MELF zeners. They are Zener diodes. Hmm..

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro Pefhany <Spehro Pefhany wrote...
Win, I've been writing (for example) "Schottky diode" and "schottky"
(to refer to the device, not the man). Do you think this is wrong?

What have you seen in the more carefully-written literature?
I have some MELF zeners. They are Zener diodes. Hmm..

Melf, Smelf. Mini-melf.

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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Stefan Heinzmann wrote...
Oh, sorry. Didn't want to diminish the old man in any way.

Actually, he was said to be a class-A jerk. :>)

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com
 
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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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Stefan Heinzmann wrote...

Actually, he was said to be a class-A jerk. :>)

Thanks,
- Win

whill_at_picovolt-dot-com

Aren't we all? I prefer that I be called "eccentric" ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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Keith R. Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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Spehro Pefhany <Spehro Pefhany wrote...

What have you seen in the more carefully-written literature?

SI does similarly with units named after people. They aren't
capitalized when written, but are when abbreviated.
 
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