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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
I understand that Australia is doing that insanity..

Australia isn't the EU.

Lead in car batteries is one of the few exceptions.

Lead is still available here in solder too you nitwit. I have no plans to stop
using it.

Graham
 
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GregS

Jan 1, 1970
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Simply not true.

one problem with CFL is start up time. I have some slow starters, and at zero degrees
is just a faint purple, with a slow warm up. When you need bright light in an
instant like stairways and outside sidewalk and emergency lighting, CFL's are not appropriate.
I turned on my outside sidewalk light 1.5 years ago. Still running. I have about 5-6
inside the house I never shut off.

greg
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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GregS said:
one problem with CFL is start up time.

Not any more it isn't. Nor was it ever a big problem if you bought a decent brand.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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GregS said:
When you need bright light in an instant like stairways and outside sidewalk and emergency
lighting, CFL's are not appropriate.

Let's see if I can make a vid of an instant turn-on one. Even the 'poor' ones only take ~ 0.5 secs.

Buy a new Philips one and see the difference.

Graham
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore = ASD Fucked Criminal IDIOT "
GregS wrote:

Not any more it isn't.


** It is at low temps.

Simple physics, no way around it.

Not anything a FUCKING LIAR like Graham Stevenson

would ever acknowledge.




......... Phil
 
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Meat Plow

Jan 1, 1970
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"Eeysore = ASD Fucked Criminal IDIOT "



** It is at low temps.

Simple physics, no way around it.

Not anything a FUCKING LIAR like Graham Stevenson

would ever acknowledge.




........ Phil

I fixed your typo in the Subject line.

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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Phil said:
"Eeysore = ASD Fucked Criminal IDIOT "


** It is at low temps.

That's not what he said ! They have no problem at room temps.

Graham
 
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GregS

Jan 1, 1970
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Not any more it isn't. Nor was it ever a big problem if you bought a decent
brand.

You tried it at zero degrees F ??

Now I understand common tube type 48 inch lamp fixtures have a problem with temperature,
and while shopping I think I saw some units that were rated for colder conditions.

When i first started using CFL's over 15 years ago, I noticed some lag with most.
Things got better, then lately I got some really slow ones.

I wish the dimming capable ones would come down from the $15 price.
I actually paid $20 at The Home Depot a few years ago for one. They
don't even carry them anymore. As soon as people start using them, I guess
the price will come don.


greg
 
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Richard The Dreaded Libertarian

Jan 1, 1970
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It's daft. Incandescent bulbs have entirely valid uses. The best way to
encourage use of CFLs would be to tax incandescents @ 400% or so, not
drive them underground.


Whaddaya, a commie? Another tax is your answer to everything?

Sheesh!
Rich
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Richard said:
Whaddaya, a commie? Another tax is your answer to everything?

In this case it is.

What do you prefer ? A tax to encourage ppl to make more sensible choices or prohibition to take their choice away ?

As it happens, GE and Philips are working on a halogen incandescent lamp design that will rival CFLs for efficiency. It would be more than stupid to ban incandescents.

http://www.lighting.philips.com/gl_...main=global&parent=4390&id=gl_en_news&lang=en
http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070224/BUSINESS/702240399


Graham
 
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James Arthur

Jan 1, 1970
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I have a collection of burnt out CFLs waiting for suitable e-waste
collection. The ones in the master bath made it about 18 months. I've
gone back to light bulbs again.

It is well known that the lifetime of fluorescent lights is related to
how often they are turned on and off. I worked in a old office
building where there were no light switches for the fluorescent lights
in order to maximize the life of the bulbs.

I recently examined my pile of dead CFLs. All failed due to open
heater filaments, and not all had much runtime, so it seems repeated
thermal shocks are a primary cause of failures.

That said, one of these lamps served in my main bathroom for many
years--five or six?--cycling many times a day, and another survived
similar high-cycling duty for a similar span.
I have one FL that lasted for years. It was a very low wattage one I
left on over the sink. After Kenny Boy Lay screwed California, I
started to switch it on and off and yeah, it croaked.

I lay that on the lawmakers' boneheaded "de"-regulation: outlawing
long-term supply agreements, forcing generators to buy daily at the
spot-market, and, further, requiring them to buy energy at market
price, but sell at a fixed price. The one makes the system unstable,
the other insulates consumers from the real cost of energy, and so
stems pressure / awareness / desire to conserve. That's "de"-
regulation? Sheesh.

Kenny took advantage of it, but the legislators made it possible.

Best,
James Arthur
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Robert Baer wrote:




Australia isn't the EU.





Lead is still available here in solder too you nitwit. I have no plans to stop
using it.

Graham
Just because it is "available" does not mean that manufacturers of
electronic (not medical) equipment can blithely use it in their
production lines - and expect to sell theur stuff in the EU.
Use that grey processor inside your skull...
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
Robert Baer wrote:




Simply not true.

Graham
Lemme see...all of those electronic parts in the ballast take ?zero?
energy to make, and the making, processing and addition of phosphor to
the inside of the glass takes ?zero? energy, not to mention the mercury
and extra filament?
Methinks the energy to make a CFL might be about FIVE TIMES that used
in the making of an incandescent.
Oh, and the "efficency" of the CFL is not much better thanthe
incandescent.
Use of LEDs might be a better "solution".
 
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Robert Baer

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
GregS wrote:




Not any more it isn't. Nor was it ever a big problem if you bought a decent brand.

Graham
Brand name controls temperature sensitivity???????????????
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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James said:
I recently examined my pile of dead CFLs. All failed due to open
heater filaments, and not all had much runtime, so it seems repeated
thermal shocks are a primary cause of failures.

All but two of mine were ultimately 'retired' for low light output after god
knows how many thousands of hours use. They still functioned.

Graham
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Robert said:
Just because it is "available" does not mean that manufacturers of
electronic (not medical) equipment can blithely use it in their
production lines - and expect to sell theur stuff in the EU.

Yes they can for a fairly wide range of products. Just not consumer stuff.

Use that grey processor inside your skull...

Examine the legislation.

Graham
 
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Rich Grise

Jan 1, 1970
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Lemme see...all of those electronic parts in the ballast take ?zero?
energy to make, and the making, processing and addition of phosphor to
the inside of the glass takes ?zero? energy, not to mention the mercury
and extra filament?
Methinks the energy to make a CFL might be about FIVE TIMES that used
in the making of an incandescent.
Oh, and the "efficency" of the CFL is not much better thanthe
incandescent.
Use of LEDs might be a better "solution".

Except for the energy it takes to make the wafer, saw it into LED
chips, make the leadframe, bond the chip to it, make the epoxy, and
encapsulate the LED in it...

Cheers!
Rich
 
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Richard The Dreaded Libertarian

Jan 1, 1970
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In this case it is.

What do you prefer ? A tax to encourage ppl to make more sensible
choices or prohibition to take their choice away ?

That's like asking would I rather be hung or shot!

Neither, of course. Freedom is better all around, otherwise, when
everyone is only following orders, who gives the orders? You?

Thanks,
Rich
 
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Eeyore

Jan 1, 1970
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Rich said:
Except for the energy it takes to make the wafer, saw it into LED
chips, make the leadframe, bond the chip to it, make the epoxy, and
encapsulate the LED in it...

Miniscule.

Graham
 
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