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- Jan 1, 1970
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Don Klipstein said:Ï "Victor Roberts" <[email protected]> Ýãñáøå óôï ìÞíõìá
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I've lost track of the design features of this other lamp.
If it has an inductive ballast, it is always possible for a
turn-to-turn short to develop, but those are unusual. If the
output of an inductive ballast becomes shorted, it will draw
more current than when it is operating a lamp and that could
cause overheating.
The circuit we were discussing earlier in this thread uses a
capacitor ballast if I remember correctly. It is possible
for a capacitor to develop an internal short, but that is
unlikely with a new capacitor. If the output of the
capacitor ballast is shorted the capacitor should not
overheat.
There were also a few resistors in the power circuit posted.
Any of them could have overheated.
The problem with low cost electronics is often not the
components but the construction. Poor solder joints that can
overheat, thin circuit board traces that can overheat, or
traces placed too close to each other on the circuit board
that can cause flash-over shorts which can cause other parts
to overheat.
Ok, thanks. But on the circuit we are discussing, this is still a low
pressure mercury vapor lamp, which still has a negative resistance
characteristic. So, if, just if, for some obscure reason, the circuit gets
mangled (due to a short or some other reason) and the lamp faces the full
voltage of the wall outlet (because of a short in the circuit), then it
will
probably blow up.
I think that the lamp will survive faults well enough to force faulty
ballasts to act as fuses unless the short is severe enough to blow an
actual fuse or trip a breaker.
And if the fault causes the lamp current to be a few times what it
should be, I expect that in many cases the lamp will survive long enough
to cause the malfunctioning ballast to overheat enough to further fail and
maybe do so quite spectacularly (and possibly pouring or spitting drops of
molten copper, of temperature a little under 1100 degrees C).
High pressure sodium may usually be either more forgiving or drag things
out farther, by having an overpowered lamp vaporize excessive sodium, and
once the arc voltage reaches about 76-80% or so of the ballast output open
circuit voltage, the "negative resistance" of the arc typically outweighs
the output impedance of the ballast in some way to make the arc unstable
upon decrease of current - and the next downward fluctuation of arc
current during the next half-cycle puts the arc in a decreasing-current
tailspin, and the lamp goes out. You get something similar to
"end-of-life cycling", only you hope the lamp spends enough time being
"off" or gets worse fast enough to not let the ballast overheat enough to
make things worse.
This particular tube has no safety molybdenum end seals which could
prevent
the more dire consequences of a direct short, so giving it a 220V
unrestricted, will most likely cause it to "flash" causing its end points
to
at least melt in the best possible case, or explode in the worst possible
case.
Am I not right?
I think that some few ballast failures resulting in lamp current a few
times that of "normal" could result in lamp current that does not make the
lamp "act as a fuse", but merely ages the lamp badly, and the lamp may
"keep on ticking" long enough for the ballast to get worse - and maybe in
especially bad cases put on a fireworks show or put out molten copper.
I do admit that this is an extreme case, but falling a little short of
this is still an obvious fire hazard. If the ballast windings overheat
enough to produce a flammable concentration of vapors of insulating
materials and then a wire shorts or breaks with a spark, at that point you
could have a fire. This is still a very rare event, but this is something
that I think should be planned around (for adequate avoidance and/or
survival) in order to receive a UL or CSA or CE sticker.
- Don Klipstein ([email protected])
The National Electric Code requirement to use Arc Fault Current Interrupter
(AFCI) devices to protect residential bedroom circuits is a step in the
direction that Don describes. An electric arc generates a "signature" which
is sensed by the device whch then shuts the circuit off. The trick is to
design the AFCI so that it shuts off when needed but not when a ceiling fan
is switched or an incandescent lamp arcs as the filament comes apart. We'll
know later this year if there are proposals to require the use of AFCIs on
other household circuits.
Terry McGowan