CE marking newbie

[Roy L. Fuchs]

Around here we're commonly referred to as "FREE"!

All that is mandated here is "safety" equipment... basically the
brakes and steering, head and tail lights (and smog stuff) can't be
arbitrarily modified... everything else is free for the playing...
even neon lighting under the body and suspension systems that hop up
and down on command ;-)

No longer legal in California. You can build them, but you can't
put them on the street any more here.

 

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| No longer legal in California. You can build them, but you can't
| put them on the street any more here.

What do you expect from a socialist state? They are working on banning
incandescent lights, too, because they don't want power plants around.

California needs to be divided up into at least 3 or 4 states.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

| No longer legal in California. You can build them, but you can't
| put them on the street any more here.

What do you expect from a socialist state? They are working on banning
incandescent lights, too, because they don't want power plants around.

California needs to be divided up into at least 3 or 4 states.

You're a goddamned idiot.

 

[Keith]

| No longer legal in California. You can build them, but you can't
| put them on the street any more here.

What do you expect from a socialist state? They are working on banning
incandescent lights, too, because they don't want power plants around.

California needs to be divided up into at least 3 or 4 states.

....or given back to Mexico. They're working on it.

 

[Roy L. Fuchs]

...or given back to Mexico. They're working on it.

Fucking idiot. We PAID Mexico for it. It is ours. The jack-off
that think we stole it are utter fucking retards.

What they should be doing is giving us the Baja peninsula.

 

[Keith]

Fucking idiot. We PAID Mexico for it. It is ours. The jack-off
that think we stole it are utter fucking retards.

We paid for Manhattan too, fuch-off and I'd prefer we give that back too.

What they should be doing is giving us the Baja peninsula.

No, they're _taking_ the whole SW whether you like it or not, fuch-off.

 

[RHRRC]

Hello Steve,



With this one you might have to be careful. If it becomes an integral
part of the vehicle, for example if mounted on the chassis and connected
to some vital parts of the vehicle, it might need a type certification
for that vehicle. Most European countries are stricter with this than
the regulations you find on other continents.

When I moved to the US I was amazed by the modifications people did to
their cars. In Europe they would have pulled me off the road for most of
that.

Regards, Joerg

I am afraid that it is a *lot* more serious than that Joerg.
Throughout the EU if *any* electrical apparatus is connected to the
electrical supply of a vehicle in any way it *must* be 'e' approved.
(eg if the charger of an electric toothbrush plugs into the cigarette
lighter socket it must be approved - the electrical apparatus does not
necessarily have to be fixed to the vehicle - just designed (or
promoted as being able) to be connectable to the vehicle supply).
The logic of this is to ensure that it cannot interfere with the
'normal' electrics/electronics (such as corrupting the EMU or disabling
the ABS etc etc)

It is not possible to self certify.
Approval awards the product an 'e' number issued by the certifying
authority.
This is a small 'e' confering compatability - not to be confused with a
capital 'E' approval which is a performance standard approval
applicable to certain automotive components/equipments.

Having said that the approval system and technical requirements are not
that onerous or expensive - so do not be put off.

 

[Steve Sousa]

Hi Steve,
Hi:

For electrical items used in vehicles there is separate approval
called the e-mark, I believe this applies only to items that are
'installed' into the vehicle, either during manufacture or after
market.

I came across this on my search, and from what i gathered it definitely
has to be e-marked.

Hope I've not added to the confusion,

Your help is apreciated

Best Regards

Steve Sousa

 

[Steve Sousa]

If the product operates at below 50VAC or 75VDC it is outside the
scope of
the Low Voltage Directive.
If this is the case it must meet the requirements of the General
Product
Safety Directive.
The product will in both cases have to meet the requirements of the
EMC
Directive.

For more information on the directives please have a look at the
guidance
booklets on http://www.dti.gov.uk/strd/strdpubs.html

Regards

BillB

Thank you, that a very good link.

Best Regards

Steve Sousa

 

[charlieB]

One is to install on car/motorcicles/trucks that includes a gps receiver

and bluetooth transceiver, housed on an entirelly metalic case.

going in a car -as others have said - this will have to be e-marked,
which is a non-trival exercise

The other is a fixed instalation powered by the mains thru an
off-the-shelf power suply, meant to be installed on houses or on
factories, that has a keyboard, an lcd, bluetooth, and optionally a
serial port, and/or a video camera input, housed on a plastic case.
Does the LVD apply? the supply input is specified as 10~40 VDC, which is
bellow the 75V mentioned on the Low Voltage Directive.

there is bluetooth in the device - therefore is falls under the R&TTE
directive - this covers requirements for:
EMC emissions and immunity
Radio spectrum usage - the fact that you are using a 3rd party
bluetooth device will save you from bluetooth qualification testing,
but not spectrum performance radio testing
Safety - the R&TTE directive applies the LVD without the lower voltage
limit.

Also "fixed installation" is ringing some alarm bells - various CE
marking directives have slightly differing requirements on fixed
installations, and the requirements are different to units placed onto
the market to be installed by the user.

I do this for a living, so drop me an email if you'd like more info

Charlie