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5963 (computer grade dual triode) production dates?

I'm trying to research the range of years over which 5963's were
produced.

5963's are computer-grade dual triodes, similar to 12AU7's but with
cathodes designed to not lose emission when the tube is held in cutoff.
They very often show up on the surplus market both NIB and in decade
counter assemblies used by military/telecom/test equipment.

The earliest databook entry I see for the 5963 is 1956 (Sylvania). The
earliest example I have with clear date code is 1959 production
Stromberg-Carlson. Some older usenet posts indicate that RCA continued
production up through the mid-late-Lasnerian 80's (this is roughly the
same time frame through which Philips etc. continued producing
12AU7's).

If you have tubes or tube boxes with date codes, I'm interested in
trying to match up manufacturer/brand with various production dates.
Like all tubes it's possible that sometimes the brand name the tube was
sold under is unrelated to the actual manufacturer (although I
generally associate this practice with crappy consumer tubes I'm sure
it also happened with some industrial types.)

If there are E. Europe/Russian/Chinese tubes being sold as 5963's
today, I am generally NOT interested in these.

Tim.
 
C

CBFalconer

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm trying to research the range of years over which 5963's were
produced.

5963's are computer-grade dual triodes, similar to 12AU7's but with
cathodes designed to not lose emission when the tube is held in cutoff.
They very often show up on the surplus market both NIB and in decade
counter assemblies used by military/telecom/test equipment.

I.E. the cure for "sleeping sickness". Inimical to flip-flops.
The earliest databook entry I see for the 5963 is 1956 (Sylvania). The
earliest example I have with clear date code is 1959 production
Stromberg-Carlson. Some older usenet posts indicate that RCA continued
production up through the mid-late-Lasnerian 80's (this is roughly the
same time frame through which Philips etc. continued producing
12AU7's).

I know I used them heavily in the '53 to '57 era. About 10 years
ago I discovered my wife had thrown out my vacuum tube collection,
along with a tube tester. I had plenty of them, in original
cartons, along with such things as the 224a and UV199, even 201A
with bayonet sockets!

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Stan Barr

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm trying to research the range of years over which 5963's were
produced.

5963's are computer-grade dual triodes, similar to 12AU7's but with
cathodes designed to not lose emission when the tube is held in cutoff.
They very often show up on the surplus market both NIB and in decade
counter assemblies used by military/telecom/test equipment.

The earliest databook entry I see for the 5963 is 1956 (Sylvania). The
earliest example I have with clear date code is 1959 production
Stromberg-Carlson. Some older usenet posts indicate that RCA continued
production up through the mid-late-Lasnerian 80's (this is roughly the
same time frame through which Philips etc. continued producing
12AU7's).

My valve (tube) data book from 1970 lists them as "Osbolete" by that
date. Also manufactured, or re-badged, in the UK by Brimar, apparently.

I have a couple of cds full of old valve/tube manufacturers data somewhere,
if I can lay my hands on them I'll take a look and let you know what I find.

--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb .at. dial .dot. pipex .dot. com
(Remove any digits from the addresses when mailing me.)

The future was never like this!
 
P

philo

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm trying to research the range of years over which 5963's were
produced.

5963's are computer-grade dual triodes, similar to 12AU7's but with
cathodes designed to not lose emission when the tube is held in cutoff.
They very often show up on the surplus market both NIB and in decade
counter assemblies used by military/telecom/test equipment.

<snip>

Though I don't know when they were first manufactured...
that tube sure brings up some good memories.
In the early to mid 1960's they were often avail used at very low prices
and we'd use them in our ham radio modulators as the first stage.
They worked great.
Supposedly they were pulled from IBM mainframes after so many hours...
but they still had plenty of life left in them. To this day I still have a
few of them left
 
The earliest databook entry I see for the 5963 is 1956 (Sylvania).

Poking around through the shelves last night, I also found it listed in
the 1951 ARRL handbook.

The highest-numbered 59xx series industrial tube in that edition was
5964, so assuming:

1. The 59xx numbers were assigned sequentially
2. The ARRL handbook lags a year or so behind product announcement

then the beginning of production for the 5963 might be 1949 or 1950.

I also found some HP-labeled 5963's that I probably stripped from HP
decimal counter modules 30 years ago. No apparent date codes. I'm
guessing that HP was relabeling somebody else's tubes.

Tim.
 
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Michael A. Terrell

Jan 1, 1970
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Poking around through the shelves last night, I also found it listed in
the 1951 ARRL handbook.

The highest-numbered 59xx series industrial tube in that edition was
5964, so assuming:

1. The 59xx numbers were assigned sequentially
2. The ARRL handbook lags a year or so behind product announcement

then the beginning of production for the 5963 might be 1949 or 1950.

I also found some HP-labeled 5963's that I probably stripped from HP
decimal counter modules 30 years ago. No apparent date codes. I'm
guessing that HP was relabeling somebody else's tubes.

Tim.


When you used as many tubes as HP was at the time the manufacturers
were more than happy to put the HP logo on the tubes at the factory.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida
 
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philo

Jan 1, 1970
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Poking around through the shelves last night, I also found it listed in
the 1951 ARRL handbook.

The highest-numbered 59xx series industrial tube in that edition was
5964, so assuming:

1. The 59xx numbers were assigned sequentially
2. The ARRL handbook lags a year or so behind product announcement

then the beginning of production for the 5963 might be 1949 or 1950.


FWIW: I found no listing for the 5963 in my 1949 ARRL handbook


5693 was the last "5000" series listing that year
 
C

CBFalconer

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael A. Terrell said:
When you used as many tubes as HP was at the time the manufacturers
were more than happy to put the HP logo on the tubes at the factory.

I seem to recall that 5963s and the ilk cost us about 10 cents each
in the late '50s.

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KR Williams

Jan 1, 1970
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When you used as many tubes as HP was at the time the manufacturers
were more than happy to put the HP logo on the tubes at the factory.
In the '60s, so the folklore goes, a woman in Poughkeepsie NY
called TJ Jr's office demanding that someone come out and fix her
TV set. She had just paid big bucks to have it fixed and it was
out again. No explanation would convince her that IBM didn't make
TV sets nor service them. Finally they sent someone out just as a
PR measure. Yep, the service guy had used IBM branded tubes to fix
her set. She was adamant that IBM fix their problem. They did,
then went looking for the moonlighting service tech. ;-)
 
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NudoKiller

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm trying to research the range of years over which 5963's were
produced.

5963's are computer-grade dual triodes, similar to 12AU7's but with
cathodes designed to not lose emission when the tube is held in cutoff. <snip>

"Sleeping sickness," which also happens when B+ is applied with no
filament.

I used a ton of 5963s in various applications, wherever there was a
need for long period hold-off. I had an Exact waveform synthesizer
that had 156 of 'em in the box! My own tests showed that a 5963 would
survive in that application well, while any analog circuit tube
variant of the 12AU7 would die off in short order if exposed to long
period cut-off.

The first time I saw the 5963 in an RCA catalog was 1956, and they
were marketed for VT digital computers, mostly, such as the UNIVAC.
NORAD used these by the boxcar full in their early UNIVACs that were
used in the NORAD system in the '50s through the '70s. Many of the
used 5963s on the market now are probably part-outs from the old NORAD
machines, which would occupy large buildings and need 100s of tons of
refrigeration to cool.

5963s are NOT good tubes for audio or RF, I've found. Their curve,
while good for switch and flip-flop applications, is curiously
non-linear in the middle.
 
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NudoKiller

Jan 1, 1970
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I also found some HP-labeled 5963's that I probably stripped from HP
decimal counter modules 30 years ago. No apparent date codes. I'm
guessing that HP was relabeling somebody else's tubes. <snip>

H-P usually used OEM branded RCAs, although some Sylvania "red tops"
have shown up in H-P dress here and there.
 
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Warren W. Gay

Jan 1, 1970
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NudoKiller said:
....
5963s are NOT good tubes for audio or RF, I've found. Their curve,
while good for switch and flip-flop applications, is curiously
non-linear in the middle.

Cool.. sounds like an ideal candidate for a guitar amp
stage to add some color to the sound! Warren.
 
J

John Byrns

Jan 1, 1970
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"Sleeping sickness," which also happens when B+ is applied with no
filament.

Bob, are you sure "Sleeping sickness" also occurs when B+ is applied
without "filament" power? I never heard of that before, although that
clearly doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Considering that this effect is
not often spoken about, a reference explaining the mechanism would be nice
to have? There has been plenty written about the garden variety of
"Sleeping sickness", it is strange that little has apparently been written
about this problem. If the effect does actually exist, does it affect the
cathode in the same way as the "Sleeping sickness" caused by extended
cutoff, or might it be related to the so called "cathode striping" non
problem that audiophools worry so much about?
I used a ton of 5963s in various applications, wherever there was a
need for long period hold-off. I had an Exact waveform synthesizer
that had 156 of 'em in the box! My own tests showed that a 5963 would
survive in that application well, while any analog circuit tube
variant of the 12AU7 would die off in short order if exposed to long
period cut-off.

The first time I saw the 5963 in an RCA catalog was 1956,

Interesting, you must have been a precocious reader, I thought you were
just born some time around 1956?
and they
were marketed for VT digital computers, mostly, such as the UNIVAC.
NORAD used these by the boxcar full in their early UNIVACs that were
used in the NORAD system in the '50s through the '70s.

Are you sure the NORAD computers were built by UNIVAC, I thought IBM built
the large building sized NORAD computers?
Many of the
used 5963s on the market now are probably part-outs from the old NORAD
machines, which would occupy large buildings and need 100s of tons of
refrigeration to cool.

5963s are NOT good tubes for audio or RF, I've found. Their curve,
while good for switch and flip-flop applications, is curiously
non-linear in the middle.

That's good to know, it's probably why audiophools like the computer tubes.


Regards,

John Byrns


Surf my web pages at, http://users.rcn.com/jbyrns/
 
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NudoKiller

Jan 1, 1970
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Cool.. sounds like an ideal candidate for a guitar amp
stage to add some color to the sound! Warren. <snip>

It doesn't quite work that way. The non-linearity causes some pretty
awful third harmonic garbage. I use 5963 as relay drivers in Leslie
organ speakers, where they work forever. Changing one over to the
voltage stage driving the 6550s creates aural havoc. Since most
gee-tawr fans are deaf, maybe it'd sound good to them! I've also
noted a tendency toward low Gm on 5963s vis à vis 12AU7s and their
industrial AF/RF counterparts, like the 5814 and 6003.
 
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DeserTBoB

Jan 1, 1970
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Bob, are you sure "Sleeping sickness" also occurs when B+ is applied
without "filament" power? I never heard of that before, although that
clearly doesn't mean it doesn't happen. <snip>

Yes, it does! I witnessed this happen one time which resulted in an
supervisor earning a little unpaid vacation time.

Old multiplex equipment associated with Types J, K and L carrier
systems used by AT&T's various companies built in the '40s and '50s
used basically two tubes...the 311B triode, and the 310A sharp cutoff
pentode, essentially a five prong, 5 V filament 6C6, for anything
below the mastergroup MUX level. Above that, the 404A (basically a 5V
6AK5) and the 417A single triode were used for mastergroup gain and
stacking. One day, a migration to IC-based equipment on another floor
occurred in our office, the largest carrier office in the US,
rendering an entire floor's worth of antique channel modems, group
demods, supergroup demods and all associated equipment such as carrier
supplies to be relegated to "spare" status. A transmission man
working that floor, trying to earn a few "brownie" points,
disconnected all the -24V filament battery at the BDFB to all this
gear. Laziness and timidity precluded him from removing the +130 and
+315 plate supplies. Thus, over 750 311B and 310A tubes were left in
situ with their usual B+ on the plates and cold filaments.

About three months later, a surge in traffic demand prompted the
circuit provision bureau to reassign new multiplex facilities to this
equipment, and within a short lead time. When such work happens, the
"circuit order" worker tests the gear both directions, sets levels as
appropriate and checks for basic transmission impediments. In this
case, the equipment didn't pass tone anywhere and wouldn't mod or
demod anything at all, and a trip to the BDFB found boxes of 1 1/3 amp
grasshopper fuses all placed neatly on the floor in front of the fuse
bay. After replacing all the filament supply fuses, the equipment
still failed, but some of it would pass modulated/demodulated signal,
but at bad levels and with not nearly enough gain to meet
specifications. After some checking, they called me down to try to
figure what happened.

Western Electric gear from that era used an "in service" tube test
regimen that looked basically at plate and filament current and
"filament activity" (an old term that really meant "cathode activity"
in anything other than direct heated tubes.) The in service tests
showed acceptable filament current, but the plate current was either
gone or very weak. In cases where there was at least some plate
current, dropping the filament current 10% wouldn't cause a dip in the
plate current...odd. A trip to the Hickok Cardmatic (KS version, of
course) showed all the tubes on the entire floor to be "dead" for Gm.
That's when the "brownie" said, "Oh...well, I took all the filament
fuses out of everything to save power. I reported it to my boss, and
he put an attaboy in my folder." A little investigation proved this
to be true, and the supervisor was given some time off for being an
idiot. A look at the Bell System Practices relating to vacuum tubes
specifically stated that at no time should any tube of any
configuration, except for cold cathode tubes, be allowed to stand with
B+ on any element without the filament being hot.

Some further investigation with the folks at the Littleton, CO WECO
tube plant confirmed that running any tube with the plates energized
and no filament will cause the same, or worse, symptoms as "sleeping
sickness" generally attributed to having a tube run in cutoff for long
periods of time. In short, what happens in either case of "sleeping
sickness" is that the plate winds up acting as a getter, thus becoming
unreceptive to electron reception from the cathode after being plated
with contaminents within the envelope. That explained immediately why
the tubes, while testing bad for Gm, tested good for cathode activity.
This was further confirmed by the fact that newer tubes were still at
least conducting something, while tubes that were some 30-40 years old
were completely dead on test, although the records showed their last
"in service" current test to be well within specs. Conversations with
retiring engineers at the tube plant confirmed that no "real life"
vacuum tube had a very good vacuum in it, and even if it had one, it
would be partially destroyed during the initial aging process by
gasification of the tungsten on the filament and thorium from the hot
plates. That's why tubes have getters in them, after all. As the
fellow told me, "You cut off electron flow, and that plate makes a
really attractive getter...the higher the B+, the more it "gets!" Add
to this that the cathode, grids and filaments are all at or near
ground potential, and you see how this can happen to the plates.

In the final tally for this goof, over 350 310A tubes, at $150 a pop,
and 200 some odd 311Bs, at $75 a pop, had to be replaced on an
emergency basis. At the time, Western Electric was getting out of
tube manufacturing altogether, and the assembly and aging lines for
the old ST envelope tubes were out of commission while the equipment
was being sold to Richardson Electronics. As it turned out, a canvass
of toll offices across the country had to be done to mine every
available 310A and 311B, even old "pulls" from retired equipment, to
get the MUX gear back into service. As it was, the due date for the
facility additions was jeopardized by over two months, and the carrier
group responsible for the gear (ours) had to buy all new Richardson
tubes for the offices which gave up their spares. Total cost of the
fiasco: over $130,000. There was little solace in the fact that the
removal of the filament battery saved about $500 in power costs. To
add insult to injury, the equipment only carried the service for
another six months before being finally retired and scrapped.

"Audiophools" worrying about "cathode stripping" has nothing whatever
to do with "sleeping sickness." I've yet to see any "audiophool" who
actually knows how a tube works, anyway. You have to expect this from
people who refer to audio phenomina as "air," "stage," "detail,"
"crispness" and other assorted laughable terms.

dB

Sidebar: On that particular floor resided many old pieces of gear
from the 1930s, including bays of voice order wire equipment
associated with long gone J and K carrier systems. In them were rows
of bayonet based 101D triodes and 201As, most dating from the 1930s,
some from the '40s. All tested good when pulled after 45+ years of
continuous service. I shudder to think what these old things would've
brought today on fraudBay. The secret to long tube life at the phone
company? Running filaments 10% below rated voltage and excellent
quality elements. The Richardson replacements which came later were
nowhere near the quality of any old WECO tube, and WECO tubes made in
the early '80s were almost as bad.
 
J

John Stewart

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm trying to research the range of years over which 5963's were
produced.

5963's are computer-grade dual triodes, similar to 12AU7's but with
cathodes designed to not lose emission when the tube is held in cutoff.
They very often show up on the surplus market both NIB and in decade
counter assemblies used by military/telecom/test equipment.

The earliest databook entry I see for the 5963 is 1956 (Sylvania). The
earliest example I have with clear date code is 1959 production
Stromberg-Carlson. Some older usenet posts indicate that RCA continued
production up through the mid-late-Lasnerian 80's (this is roughly the
same time frame through which Philips etc. continued producing
12AU7's).

If you have tubes or tube boxes with date codes, I'm interested in
trying to match up manufacturer/brand with various production dates.
Like all tubes it's possible that sometimes the brand name the tube was
sold under is unrelated to the actual manufacturer (although I
generally associate this practice with crappy consumer tubes I'm sure
it also happened with some industrial types.)

If there are E. Europe/Russian/Chinese tubes being sold as 5963's
today, I am generally NOT interested in these.

Tim.

Here is a link to cathode interface on a Tektronix related site. I recall
the problem well since it occured at times even in tubes that were kept on.
Showed up in the Tek 540 Series.

Cheers, John Stewart

http://www.reprise.com/host/tektronix/reference/cathode.asp
 
C

Charlie Gibbs

Jan 1, 1970
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It doesn't quite work that way. The non-linearity causes some pretty
awful third harmonic garbage.

IMHO a lot of electronic music is full of awful third-harmonic garbage.
Perhaps Warren is on to something. Either that, or my old-fashioned
analog ears are acting up again.
 
The earliest databook entry I see for the 5963 is 1956 (Sylvania). The
earliest example I have with clear date code is 1959 production
Stromberg-Carlson. Some older usenet posts indicate that RCA continued
production up through the mid-late-Lasnerian 80's (this is roughly the
same time frame through which Philips etc. continued producing
12AU7's).

Shame on you for not owning a copy of Tube Lore.

5963 was registered on 7-5-1950.

Like many early "computer" tubes, the original application was in IFF
gear, mostly for the SIF encoders and decoders.

Will
 
F

Ft.peoplepc.com

Jan 1, 1970
0
DeserTBoB said:
Yes, it does! I witnessed this happen one time which resulted in an
supervisor earning a little unpaid vacation time.

Old multiplex equipment associated with Types J, K and L carrier
systems used by AT&T's various companies built in the '40s and '50s
used basically two tubes...the 311B triode, and the 310A sharp cutoff
pentode, essentially a five prong, 5 V filament 6C6, for anything
below the mastergroup MUX level. Above that, the 404A (basically a 5V
6AK5) and the 417A single triode were used for mastergroup gain and
stacking. One day, a migration to IC-based equipment on another floor
occurred in our office, the largest carrier office in the US,
rendering an entire floor's worth of antique channel modems, group
demods, supergroup demods and all associated equipment such as carrier
supplies to be relegated to "spare" status. A transmission man
working that floor, trying to earn a few "brownie" points,
disconnected all the -24V filament battery at the BDFB to all this
gear. Laziness and timidity precluded him from removing the +130 and
+315 plate supplies. Thus, over 750 311B and 310A tubes were left in
situ with their usual B+ on the plates and cold filaments.

About three months later, a surge in traffic demand prompted the
circuit provision bureau to reassign new multiplex facilities to this
equipment, and within a short lead time. When such work happens, the
"circuit order" worker tests the gear both directions, sets levels as
appropriate and checks for basic transmission impediments. In this
case, the equipment didn't pass tone anywhere and wouldn't mod or
demod anything at all, and a trip to the BDFB found boxes of 1 1/3 amp
grasshopper fuses all placed neatly on the floor in front of the fuse
bay. After replacing all the filament supply fuses, the equipment
still failed, but some of it would pass modulated/demodulated signal,
but at bad levels and with not nearly enough gain to meet
specifications. After some checking, they called me down to try to
figure what happened.

Western Electric gear from that era used an "in service" tube test
regimen that looked basically at plate and filament current and
"filament activity" (an old term that really meant "cathode activity"
in anything other than direct heated tubes.) The in service tests
showed acceptable filament current, but the plate current was either
gone or very weak. In cases where there was at least some plate
current, dropping the filament current 10% wouldn't cause a dip in the
plate current...odd. A trip to the Hickok Cardmatic (KS version, of
course) showed all the tubes on the entire floor to be "dead" for Gm.
That's when the "brownie" said, "Oh...well, I took all the filament
fuses out of everything to save power. I reported it to my boss, and
he put an attaboy in my folder." A little investigation proved this
to be true, and the supervisor was given some time off for being an
idiot. A look at the Bell System Practices relating to vacuum tubes
specifically stated that at no time should any tube of any
configuration, except for cold cathode tubes, be allowed to stand with
B+ on any element without the filament being hot.

Some further investigation with the folks at the Littleton, CO WECO
tube plant confirmed that running any tube with the plates energized
and no filament will cause the same, or worse, symptoms as "sleeping
sickness" generally attributed to having a tube run in cutoff for long
periods of time. In short, what happens in either case of "sleeping
sickness" is that the plate winds up acting as a getter, thus becoming
unreceptive to electron reception from the cathode after being plated
with contaminents within the envelope. That explained immediately why
the tubes, while testing bad for Gm, tested good for cathode activity.
This was further confirmed by the fact that newer tubes were still at
least conducting something, while tubes that were some 30-40 years old
were completely dead on test, although the records showed their last
"in service" current test to be well within specs. Conversations with
retiring engineers at the tube plant confirmed that no "real life"
vacuum tube had a very good vacuum in it, and even if it had one, it
would be partially destroyed during the initial aging process by
gasification of the tungsten on the filament and thorium from the hot
plates. That's why tubes have getters in them, after all. As the
fellow told me, "You cut off electron flow, and that plate makes a
really attractive getter...the higher the B+, the more it "gets!" Add
to this that the cathode, grids and filaments are all at or near
ground potential, and you see how this can happen to the plates.

In the final tally for this goof, over 350 310A tubes, at $150 a pop,
and 200 some odd 311Bs, at $75 a pop, had to be replaced on an
emergency basis. At the time, Western Electric was getting out of
tube manufacturing altogether, and the assembly and aging lines for
the old ST envelope tubes were out of commission while the equipment
was being sold to Richardson Electronics. As it turned out, a canvass
of toll offices across the country had to be done to mine every
available 310A and 311B, even old "pulls" from retired equipment, to
get the MUX gear back into service. As it was, the due date for the
facility additions was jeopardized by over two months, and the carrier
group responsible for the gear (ours) had to buy all new Richardson
tubes for the offices which gave up their spares. Total cost of the
fiasco: over $130,000. There was little solace in the fact that the
removal of the filament battery saved about $500 in power costs. To
add insult to injury, the equipment only carried the service for
another six months before being finally retired and scrapped.

"Audiophools" worrying about "cathode stripping" has nothing whatever
to do with "sleeping sickness." I've yet to see any "audiophool" who
actually knows how a tube works, anyway. You have to expect this from
people who refer to audio phenomina as "air," "stage," "detail,"
"crispness" and other assorted laughable terms.

Thanks for relating the most persuasive example I've ever read of this
obscure phenomenon. I'm sure many of us envy your experience with the
real WE tubes and equipment (I certainly do).

But Gee, dB, I know how a tube works, and I also know the meaning of
"air", "stage", "detail", "crispness" and other assorted terms used by audio
professionals to describe what one hears when critically listening to a
sound system. They are more useful and descriptive than, "That sounds
good", or "That stinks".

If you find these audio terms laughable, how do you deal with the Latin
terms your doctors toss around? Does the term, "squamas cell carcinoma"
cause you to roll on the floor, laughing your ass off? I mean, that gibberish
couldn't possibly mean anything real, right?

<sigh>

Enjoy your life, dB. Get lots of "air" - air is good. And don't get "squamas
cell carcinoma" - carcinoma is bad, whether you understand the terminology
or not.

Fred
 
Shame on you for not owning a copy of Tube Lore.

5963 was registered on 7-5-1950.

Like many early "computer" tubes, the original application was in IFF
gear, mostly for the SIF encoders and decoders.

My only excuse is that my copy of Tube Lore is on order and hasn't
arrived yet :). If Ludwell Sibley's publications were available
electronically (e.g. indexed by Google) I would have a far easier time
searching out this stuff. As it is, my references consist largely of
50's and 60's era electronics books and catalogs, some of which I
haven't really looked through in 20 or 30 years (if ever!). I have a
very little bit of pre-war literature and books.

I'm guessing that the 5xxx industrial tubes were mostly registered in
numerical order. But does the book give much guidance on who produced
these tubes and when, who relabeled them, and when they stopped being
produced?

I'm 90% certain that my 1959-date-code Stromberg Carlsons were actually
made by Sylvania, just by physical comparison. And I'm pretty sure that
my un-date-coded HP 5963's were made by RCA, probably in the very late
50's or very early 60's. Does Mr. Sibley's book provide any guidance in
this area?

Tim.
 
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