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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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I have some

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/FQ/FQN1N60C.pdf

and would like to make a simple mosfet audio voltage amplifier(common
source). Possibly using drain feedback bias and/or source degeneration. The
power supply is around 500V. Is there any difference I should be worried
about from a similar low voltage case? I'm looking for a gain of around 20
with an input swing of about 1V max.
 
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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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George Herold said:
I'm confused, the supply is 500V, and the input is 1V with a gain of
20?
Sounds like you need more gain.
Can you post a pic of a schematic?
What are you driving?

Sure I would like more than a gain of 20. 100 Ideally. If I use drain
feedback bias there is no way to get past 30 since this would easily put me
over the max V_GS of 30V.
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Jeff Johnson"
Sure I would like more than a gain of 20. 100 Ideally. If I use drain
feedback bias there is no way to get past 30 since this would easily put
me over the max V_GS of 30V.


** That would be funny if he was not serious.



...... Phil
 
I have some

http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/FQ/FQN1N60C.pdf

and would like to make a simple mosfet audio voltage amplifier(common
source). Possibly using drain feedback bias and/or source degeneration. The
power supply is around 500V. Is there any difference I should be worried
about from a similar low voltage case? I'm looking for a gain of around 20
with an input swing of about 1V max.

Are you trying to reinvent the Fetron, a high voltage FET with the
same pinout as some well known triodes ?
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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Are you trying to reinvent the Fetron, a high voltage FET with the
same pinout as some well known triodes ?


* Nope, the wanker trying to re-invent the wheel.

He wants to make a square version.

BTW:

Fetrons used high voltage j-fets in a metal pack that typically simulated a
9 pin dual triode.



...... Phil
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Bill Slowman is a Dope"


He's probably trying to drive an electrostatic speaker.

** ROTFLMAO !!

Da Slow Man is an utter IDIOT !!



Back in the 1960's there were a bunch of articles about building your
own electrostatic speakers, and the high voltage amplifiers to drive
them. Quad just used step-up transformers, which made a load that many
audio-amplifiers didn't like driving.


** Bollocks.

The original Quad ESL 57 could be driven satisfactorily by any good audio
amplifier that was stable and able to drive a 16 ohm load.

The later (1982) Quad ESL63 had a very benign impedance characteristic that
any hi-fi amp worthy of the name could drive easily up to full output at any
audio frequency.

Facts baffle bullshitters.



..... Phil
 
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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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Are you trying to reinvent the Fetron, a high voltage FET with the
same pinout as some well known triodes ?

Possibly...
 
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Jeff Johnson

Jan 1, 1970
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You're not expect linearity with DMOS I hope. You might want to see
who is left making fets with lateral current flow.

Well, I don't mind a little bit of non-linearity... The datasheet shows it
might be pretty bad though ;/
 
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Jon Kirwan

Jan 1, 1970
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<snip>
Go argue with the late W. Ralph Knowles.

http://www.oregonlive.com/obituaries/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/obits/121417890693840.xml&coll=7

He was anything but an idiot - quite a lot smarter than most of the
people in his line of work, Which is why he ended up as director of
research and development for North America for FEI Co.
<snip>

Interesting. I worked at FEI for a while and then afterwards
helped develop a product, self-employed, to help extend the
average life expectancy of their electron emitters hidden
behind the wehnelt.

Jon
 
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Jon Kirwan

Jan 1, 1970
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Presumably by controlling the heat dissipated in getting the electron
emitter up to the temperature where it would emit electrons.

IIRR - and I was never directly involved with that part of the
electron microscope - that wasn't normally directly controlled. The
circuit would be floating at an anything up to -30kV, which would make
it more than a little interesting.

Lower temperatures produce far too few electrons (as you
already know very well, the electrons are produced both from
thermal emission _and_ field effect), lessens the beam
intensity, and reduces the rate at which work can get done
(beam sweeping rate.) Which impacts productivity. By quite
a lot with even small changes. Higher temperatures works
great for beam intensity, but quickly destroys the emitter.
(Which is also treated with Lanthanum hexaboride, memory
serving.) The trick is to accurately temperature over time
without drift. And we are talking on the order of tenths of
a Kelvin to perhaps one Kelvin, where possible. Now think
about the local (dI/I)/(dT/T) problem at those temperatures
T, if done pyrometrically, even assuming emissivity doesn't
change over time.

Early solutions were to use inordinately expensive current
drive power supplies (better than 0.1%.) They may drift a
little and need recalibration but that's less important
because the tips themselves age faster still. But the
reality is that the temperature at the tip is the thing to be
controlled, not the current driving it. The tip temperature
needs to be closed up within the control loop. Periodic
adjustment using disappearing filament methods and calibrated
(expensive) tungsten standards achieves bringing temperature
into the loop, if done manually and frequently. The problem
is... well, all the problem in doing that. It means other
specialized power supplies for the standard lamp, careful
logging of lamp usage and recalibration as needed, regular
procedures done frequently, etc.

Variations in lifetime might be as much as a factor of 50X
for the exact same system, depending on customer procedures.
And at the high expense of replacement, it becomes urgent to
find an easier way to achieve more uniform experiences.

Jon
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Bill Slowman is a Fucking Dope"
He's probably trying to drive an electrostatic speaker.

** ROTFLMAO !!

You disagrre with the propositon that the OP might be trying to drive
an electrostatic speaker?

** Errr - yes.

Da Slow Man is an utter IDIOT !!

Not actually true.

** Fraid its is - you fucking fuckwit.

Back in the 1960's there were a bunch of articles about building your
own electrostatic speakers, and the high voltage amplifiers to drive
them. Quad just used step-up transformers, which made a load that many
audio-amplifiers didn't like driving.

** Bollocks.

The original Quad ESL 57 could be driven satisfactorily by any good audio
amplifier that was stable and able to drive a 16 ohm load.

Go argue with the late W. Ralph Knowles.

** How absurd.

Go **** yourself - you pathetic old twat.

The later (1982) Quad ESL63 had a very benign impedance characteristic
that
any hi-fi amp worthy of the name could drive easily up to full output at
any
audio frequency.

Facts baffle bullshitters.

I wasn't talking about the Quad ESL63 - I was working for Ralph
Knowles in the early 1980's, when he was worrying about driving his
ESL 57, which he'd had for years.


** Read the fucking post - shit head.


None of the facts you've adduced contradict anything I wrote,


** Shame how you have been utterly contradicted.
and none of what I've written is bullshit.


** All of it was.

All you did was present myths as fact.

Cos you don't have anything better.



...... Phil
 
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Phil Allison

Jan 1, 1970
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"Bill Sloman is so Full of Bullshit "

Back in the 1960's there were a bunch of articles about building your
own electrostatic speakers, and the high voltage amplifiers to drive
them. Quad just used step-up transformers, which made a load that many
audio-amplifiers didn't like driving.

** Bollocks.

The original Quad ESL 57 could be driven satisfactorily by any good audio
amplifier that was stable and able to drive a 16 ohm load.

The later (1982) Quad ESL63 had a very benign impedance characteristic
that
any hi-fi amp worthy of the name could drive easily up to full output at
any
audio frequency.

The Quad ESL63 had rather more than a transformer to drive the
electrostatic moving parts

http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/416


** Yeah, yeah - I know all that.

Got nothing to do with you mad assertions re the ESL57.

FYI:

The impedance presented to an amplifier by the ESL57 is at or above 8 ohms
from 25Hz to 7kHz - which easily covers the entire power band in recorded
music.

From 50 Hz to 5 kHz, the impedance is 15 ohms or higher.

Any hi-fi audio amp (valve or SS) worth the title can drive such a load with
recorded music signals.

You have no case.

**** off.


...... Phil
 
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Jon Kirwan

Jan 1, 1970
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<snip of discussion about LaB6 crystal>

It was sputtered material on tungsten, not a crystal. It's
possible I remember wrong about the material, though.

Jon
 
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