Herd instincts?

[Jim Thompson]

[snip]

Hate to even admit Slowman exists, but...

Slowman:

"Jim is - as usual - out of touch with reality - which probably
helps him present his (admittedly above average) design skills as if
he was another Bob Widlar, Hans Camenzind or Barry Gilbert.

Truth: Probably why I was asked to sub for an ill Barrie Gilbert at
the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology in 1986 for a week-long
seminar presentation... my own material by the way.

Guys
like that do get hired, but they don't last - and Jim did leave
Motorola because they didn't want to keep on using his team."

Truth: Motorola asked for an across-the-board 20% lay-off. I refused
to lay-off any of my department. Motorola pushed... I responded by
laying myself off. ALL of my team quit and joined me at Dickson
Electronics... verifiable FACT.


John Fields:

First, the presumption is that since you purport to be a judge of
who's in touch with reality and who isn't, then in order to be
qualified to make that judgment _you_ must be in touch with reality.

Second, I suggest that if Jim does have the presentation skills you
mention, then he is very much _in_ touch with reality in that he
knows what to do to in order to sell himself and his stuff in the
real world.

Finally, since it follows naturally that Jim is _clearly_ in touch
with reality and you claim that he isn't, that means that your
statement that he isn't is untrue, ergo a lie, which makes _you_ a
liar. Either that or _you're_ the one who's out of touch with
reality and believes the statement that Jim isn't, to be true.

This actually happened this past summer at Honeywell, Plymouth, MN...

I was presenting a simplification to Honeywell's circuit
implementation while contending with a young buck constantly
interrupting... clearly not understanding.

Finally a manager told the young buck to sit down and shut up, "...so
we can hear how an old master would solve our problem" ;-)

Then a tornado went zooming by the building... I kid you not :-(

...Jim Thompson

 

[John Larkin]

This actually happened this past summer at Honeywell, Plymouth, MN...

I was presenting a simplification to Honeywell's circuit
implementation while contending with a young buck constantly
interrupting... clearly not understanding.

Finally a manager told the young buck to sit down and shut up, "...so
we can hear how an old master would solve our problem" ;-)

Then a tornado went zooming by the building... I kid you not :-(

...Jim Thompson

I usually call down lightning bolts, for a more traditional effect.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

I usually call down lightning bolts, for a more traditional effect.

John

My style also, but I was off my pace that day... those time zone
changes really screw me up ;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

[Tom Del Rosso]

It may have escaped your notice, but politicians have been known to
lie from time to time.

My comment wasn't limited to politicians. It's been true of all the grass
root revolutionaries.

 

[John Larkin]

My style also, but I was off my pace that day... those time zone
changes really screw me up ;-)

...Jim Thompson

Dontcha just hate it when you fly and drive all day, barely get any
sleep, drink bad coffee, get lost trying to find the customer's
meeting place, and walk into a room full of engineers and managers who
expect a performance? A few years ago, I did this with *20* people in
the room. I had some hand-scribbled sketches I'd done on the plane,
bumpy ride no less, so they grabbed them from me and stuck them in the
overhead projector. Whew. I think we've just sold the 400th resulting
VME module.

That performance was worth roughly a million dollars per hour. I
should join the actor's union.

John

 

[John Larkin]

Much better to join the herd over there on the right.

The French situation is interesting. Pretty soon, everybody in the
country will be on strike against themselves. That's a logical
consequence of a society where collectivism becomes dominant.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

The French situation is interesting. Pretty soon, everybody in the
country will be on strike against themselves. That's a logical
consequence of a society where collectivism becomes dominant.

John

Interesting place, France, a "sécurité sociale" office on every corner
;-)

...Jim Thompson

 

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[snip]

Hate to even admit Slowman exists, but...

Slowman:

"Jim is - as usual - out of touch with reality - which probably
helps him present his (admittedly above average) design skills as if
he was another Bob Widlar, Hans Camenzind or Barry Gilbert.

Truth: Probably why I was asked to sub for an ill Barrie Gilbert at
the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology in 1986 for a week-long
seminar presentation... my own material by the way.

Oddly enough, I do know the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology -
when I was getting my Ph.D. at Melbourne University, RMIT was the
local technical school where they trained electronics apprentices.
Then some politician waved his magic wand over the place and it became
a degree-granting tertiary institution.

I'm not surprised they hired you to do a seminar presentation - the
surprise is that Barrie Gilbert could ever have been conned into
consenting to waste his time there. He presumably got sick when he
found out a bit more about the place. Analog Devices do spread him
around a little - they brought him to Cambridge Instruments once in
the late 1980's. Interesting guy, but we weren''t really going to be
interested in using the integrated circuits he was working on at the
time.

Truth: Motorola asked for an across-the-board 20% lay-off. I refused
to lay-off any of my department. Motorola pushed... I responded by
laying myself off. ALL of my team quit and joined me at Dickson
Electronics... verifiable FACT.

And how does that differ from what I wrote? Your version does make you
sound more noble than mine does, but your comment on my employment
situation also ignores stuff that I happen to consider to be relevant.

Presentation skills involve filleting reality to create the desired
impression - there are two examples earlier in this thread. In effect
it is an exercise shedding inconvenient bits of reality.

John Fields is putting a lot of weight on that pathetic "_clearly_".

This actually happened this past summer at Honeywell, Plymouth, MN...

I was presenting a simplification to Honeywell's circuit
implementation while contending with a young buck constantly
interrupting... clearly not understanding.

Finally a manager told the young buck to sit down and shut up, "...so
we can hear how an old master would solve our problem" ;-)

Then a tornado went zooming by the building... I kid you not :-(

Seems right. There's obviously a bag of wind involved in the story
somewhere.

 

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I usually call down lightning bolts, for a more traditional effect.

Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part I.

Glendower, trying to impress the Prince, says, "I can call spirits
from the vasty deep."

And Hotspur replies, "Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they
come when you do call for them?"

 

[Richard the Dreaded Libertarian]

The French situation is interesting. Pretty soon, everybody in the
country will be on strike against themselves. That's a logical
consequence of a society where collectivism becomes dominant.

The US isn't all that far from pretty much the same situation - have
you been watching the antics in Holly-weird?

Cheers!
Rich

 

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My comment wasn't limited to politicians. It's been true of all the grass
root revolutionaries.

And modern Fabian-style socialists are not revolutionaries. They join
perfectly respectable political parties and work via the ballot box.
If I had a vote in the Netherlands I'd have a choice of two - De
Partij van de Arbeit (The Labour Party) and the Socialist Partij. The
Socialist Partij is a bit too far left for my taste.

 

[[email protected]]

Invective? Diatribe is in the eye of the beholder, but if you want
invective you need Phil Alison or Richard Steven Walz.

I suppose that makes you a wannabe politician who's too
lazy to campaign for office.

I was membership secretary for my local Labour Party ward in England
for a couple of years around 1990, mainly because I had a home
computer that would run the membership software, and I got to see
political people in action - I don't have those skills.

Kind of in the same way that keeps you
from looking for work, huh?

I do look for work - it is a condition of my unemployment benefit that
I apply for a least one job a week, and I don't have any trouble
finding jobs to apply for. It's been more than a year since I even got
an interview, which is rather frustrating - there is a real shortage
of electronic engineers in the Netherlands at moment, and jobs that I
could do keep on getting readvertised. I reapply for them every few
months, though it is obviously a waste of time.

Yeah, yeah, I know...

I've heard it a thousand times before; it's not your fault, the
Dutch don't like to hire old men
---

Or women. The current administration talks up a storm about keeping
the elderly in th work force, but they don't do a thing about removing
any of the bureaucratic barriers. At the moment, the employer pays an
employee's sick leave. They can get insurance cover for this for
employees under 65 - but the insurance companies don't offer any
policies for employers over 65 - no demand ...

---
That's not true.
---



---
OK.

From:

30e2483c-af01-4255-83a4-c7de2a15a...@c29g2000hsa.googlegroups.com

"Jim is - as usual - out of touch with reality - which probably
helps him present his (admittedly above average) design skills as if
he was another Bob Widlar, Hans Camenzind or Barry Gilbert. Guys
like that do get hired, but they don't last - and Jim did leave
Motorola because they didn't want to keep on using his team."

First, the presumption is that since you purport to be a judge of
who's in touch with reality and who isn't, then in order to be
qualified to make that judgment _you_ must be in touch with reality.

Correct. But in order to make a useful judgement about this, you must
be able to demonstrate that _you_ are in touch with reality.

Second, I suggest that if Jim does have the presentation skills you
mention, then he is very much _in_ touch with reality in that he
knows what to do to in order to sell himself and his stuff in the
real world.

Wrong. The very essence of presentation skills lies in the presenter
creating the illusion that they are not only in touch with reality,
but also on control of it. This is always a lie - reality has a way of
sneaking around the best expert, and the real measure of expertise is
that experts know how little they know.

Finally, since if follows naturally that Jim is _clearly_ in touch
with reality and you claim that he isn't, that means that your
statement that he isn't is untrue, ergo a lie, which makes _you_ a
liar. Either that or _you're_ the one who's out of touch with
reality and believes the statement that Jim isn't, to be true.

The catch in this specious argument is the claim that Jim is _clearly_
in touch with reality. Jim knows enough about integrated circuit
design to get by. He isn't great, but he's adequate. Outside that area
he's depressively ignorant. You probably don't appreciate this, as you
don't seem to read anything except your local newspaper. but that's
not my problem.

 

[[email protected]]

The French situation is interesting. Pretty soon, everybody in the
country will be on strike against themselves. That's a logical
consequence of a society where collectivism becomes dominant.

Collectivism isn't exactly dominant in France. They just elected a
confrontational right-wing nit-wit whose idea of solving social
problems is to pay the workers less and degrade their conditions of
service. The workers affected are not impressed, and are making their
disaffection known.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071018/D8SBJO4G1.html

 

[[email protected]]

Interesting place, France, a "sécurité sociale" office on every corner
;-)

And their health care is better than yours, and it costs them less. If
you were interested enough, you might even learn something. I'm not
holding my breath.

 

[krw]

You can be a bit of a fucking ****, considering you are a so called
christian, all that church stuff, etc. Just bullshit/tax goodies

At least until you leftists get control of the world, it's a free
country to believe what one wants.

If JC did exist , he would disown you.

It's nice that you know JC so well, yet know he doesn't exist. OTOH,
I don't know about Michael, but I'd rather not be owned.

Fortunately there is no god, and you will just go to oblivion, like
the rest of us

I always wanted to know what it's like in oblivion. Trip report
please.

martin

What I do to electronics is what
Chuck Norris does to acting

Break shit?

 

[John Larkin]

The US isn't all that far from pretty much the same situation - have
you been watching the antics in Holly-weird?

Really, they could start re-running Kukla Fran and Ollie 24/7 and the
quality of TV would improve. The writers crank out garbage and want to
be called "creative." They need a union precisely because they are
*not* creative.

They're not train drivers. If they stay on strike forever, the US will
be better off.

John

 

[Jim Thompson]

Really, they could start re-running Kukla Fran and Ollie 24/7 and the
quality of TV would improve. The writers crank out garbage and want to
be called "creative." They need a union precisely because they are
*not* creative.

They're not train drivers. If they stay on strike forever, the US will
be better off.

John

Amen! I could do with a re-run of Kukla, Fran and Ollie... at least
it was funny, and you didn't have to worry if the kids watched it.

...Jim Thompson

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

You can be a bit of a fucking ****, considering you are a so called
christian, all that church stuff, etc. Just bullshit/tax goodies

What's wrong, martin? Did you run out of anti America, anti Bush,
anti Free speech BS today?

If JC did exist , he would disown you.

Really? Where did Jesus state that it was OK to lay around and live
off your wife's income? In fact, where does he state that its ok for
any able bodied man not to work? Quote the Book, Chapter and Verse, for
all of please.

Fortunately there is no god, and you will just go to oblivion, like
the rest of us

If there is no God,, why are your panties in such a knot?

What I do to electronics is what
Chuck Norris does to acting

Screw up ?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

This actually happened this past summer at Honeywell, Plymouth, MN...

I was presenting a simplification to Honeywell's circuit
implementation while contending with a young buck constantly
interrupting... clearly not understanding.

Finally a manager told the young buck to sit down and shut up, "...so
we can hear how an old master would solve our problem" ;-)

Then a tornado went zooming by the building... I kid you not :-(

See what happens when you do your 'sloman' impersonation?


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

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Martin Griffith wrote:


Really? Where did Jesus state that it was OK to lay around and live
off your wife's income? In fact, where does he state that its ok for
any able bodied man not to work?

Well, if JC could contrive the miracle that would seem to be necessary
to get me a job, I might have to review my opinion of the spin the
Christian churchs have put on his brief but spectacular career.

As far as the scriptures have anything to say about able-bodied men
not working, they all seem to think that is okay if the able-bodied
man concerned is doing his duty by his religion - and I'm occupying
myself criticising nonsensical statements published on
sci.electroncs.design, which would seem to me to be close enough.

Technically speaking, I'm not living off my wife's income, but my
unemployment benefit - we live rather more comfortably than I would if
I were paying my own way, but my wife isn't going to stint herself to
make some cranky Yank happy.