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Nehmo Sergheyev

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm thinking of making a trash can/bag transporter robot, something for
residential use, where trash is picked up once a week by the curb. This
device would be a low flat container that would hold garbage bags and
cans. When trash day comes, the robot would open a gate (gate has
electrical power opener), then drive itself down the driveway to the
curb. The trash gets picked up, and then the robot returns to its
primary duty station, where it's connected to a recharger.

Any suggestions?
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Nehmo said:
I'm thinking of making a trash can/bag transporter robot, something for
residential use, where trash is picked up once a week by the curb. This
device would be a low flat container that would hold garbage bags and
cans. When trash day comes, the robot would open a gate (gate has
electrical power opener), then drive itself down the driveway to the
curb. The trash gets picked up, and then the robot returns to its
primary duty station, where it's connected to a recharger.

Any suggestions?

Is this so that Americans can get fatter still by taking even less exercise
?

My suggestion is that your idea's stupid.

Graham
 
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Mitch Berkson

Jan 1, 1970
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Mike said:
All these are common problems to robots you
send away on errands and expect to come back.

Plus snow, ice, rain, ambient temperature.

Mitch
 
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Mike Ross

Jan 1, 1970
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Pooh Bear said:
Is this so that Americans can get fatter still by taking even less
exercise
?

My suggestion is that your idea's stupid.

Not all us Americans are fat... some are disabled and can't walk, so this
device could be quite useful. The problems are that you need a buried wire
or some means of guiding it, or an expensive differential GPS system. The
thing has got to know where it is, and you can't do it by dead reckoning.
Another problem is that the unit might get thrown away with the trash, or
that someone would steal it. Also, if a baby is lying on the ground in
front if it, and its litigious mother is nearby watching, are you confident
you'll remain financially solvent? All these are common problems to robots
you send away on errands and expect to come back.

Mike Ross
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Mike said:
Not all us Americans are fat...

It is however home to the 400 pound human.
some are disabled and can't walk, so this
device could be quite useful.

No - it's a joke. In fact I suspect it's a troll really. Makes you wonder how
ppl manage to live without machines to do everything for them doesn't it ?

How about a breathing machine to take away the effort of using your own lungs
too ?

Graham
 
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Paul Burke

Jan 1, 1970
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Pooh said:
How about a breathing machine to take away the effort of using your own lungs
too ?

My next design is a device that emits bursts of H2S heavily diluted with
CH3 and CO2, and triggers an MP3 player at the same time, playing God
Save the Queen on a bassoon.
 
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Mochuelo

Jan 1, 1970
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How about a breathing machine to take away the effort of using your own lungs
too ?

Graham

That actually exists, too, for people that can't breathe by
themselves, and I'm sure it was a good invention.

Best,
 
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Anthony Fremont

Jan 1, 1970
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Pooh Bear said:
Mike Ross wrote:

It is however home to the 400 pound human.

Bite your tongue, obesity in Britain is growing at a much faster rate
than in the US. Not that most British look the picture of health
anyway. ;-)

http://www.beefusa.org/NEWSSharpriseinobesityinUSBritainAustraliaOECD13705.aspx

"Obesity levels have risen sharply in the past 20 years in many
countries with the number of overweight people growing fastest in
Britain, the United States and Australia, an OECD report warned."

"The report by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development
said in two decades obesity had doubled in the United States and
Australia, while in Britain the rate had tripled."

"Twenty percent of the adult population in both Australia and Britain is
now regarded as officially overweight, the same percentage of US
citizens considered obese at the beginning of the 1990s."

Looks like Britain is the most obese country in Europe.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2000/apr2000/obes-a29.shtml
 
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Bill Kearney

Jan 1, 1970
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My suggestion is that your idea's stupid.

Or more that your posting is stupid. I mean, really, why be such an ass
about it?
Not all us Americans are fat... some are disabled and can't walk, so this
device could be quite useful. The problems are that you need a buried wire
or some means of guiding it, or an expensive differential GPS system. The
thing has got to know where it is, and you can't do it by dead reckoning.
Another problem is that the unit might get thrown away with the trash, or
that someone would steal it. Also, if a baby is lying on the ground in
front if it, and its litigious mother is nearby watching, are you confident
you'll remain financially solvent? All these are common problems to robots
you send away on errands and expect to come back.

You could hack the brains out of one of those robotic lawn mowers. I don't
recall them needing buried wire. Likewise a radar sensor could deal with
unexpected obstructions. Even machine vision would work. Since it's
following a regular track it'd be simple comparison against a known-clear
path, not actual pattern recognition.

Dealing with someone stealing it isn't technological, but some sort of "I'm
too far from my base station, scream like a banshee" feature might be
entertaining. Heh, have it scream "help, help, I've been stolen from..."
and start frantically running it's drive wheels.

Hmmm, if they're cheap enough one of those robo-mowers might indeed be a
cool starting point. Teach it to traverse a fake lawn path and then hack it
onto something with enough drive motor horsepower to move the weight.

You could start the experiment by building the cart and using a radio
controlled car circuit to operate it manually. Prove that the drive
hardware works and then cobble up the brain for doing it automagically.
Hmm, an R/C car design using a gas motor and some sort of battery operated
starter would probably get around the rather hefty battery requirements that
moving several cans of trash might require.

-Bill Kearney
 
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Pooh Bear

Jan 1, 1970
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Mochuelo said:
That actually exists, too, for people that can't breathe by
themselves, and I'm sure it was a good invention.

Indeed. Maybe the OP would like to use one ?

Graham
 
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Richard Henry

Jan 1, 1970
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Paul Burke said:
My next design is a device that emits bursts of H2S heavily diluted with
CH3 and CO2, and triggers an MP3 player at the same time, playing God
Save the Queen on a bassoon.

What is CH3?
 
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Steve Moulding

Jan 1, 1970
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Bill Kearney said:
Or more that your posting is stupid. I mean, really, why be such an ass
about it?


You could hack the brains out of one of those robotic lawn mowers. I
don't
recall them needing buried wire. Likewise a radar sensor could deal with
unexpected obstructions. Even machine vision would work. Since it's
following a regular track it'd be simple comparison against a known-clear
path, not actual pattern recognition.

Dealing with someone stealing it isn't technological, but some sort of
"I'm
too far from my base station, scream like a banshee" feature might be
entertaining. Heh, have it scream "help, help, I've been stolen from..."
and start frantically running it's drive wheels.

Hmmm, if they're cheap enough one of those robo-mowers might indeed be a
cool starting point. Teach it to traverse a fake lawn path and then hack
it
onto something with enough drive motor horsepower to move the weight.

You could start the experiment by building the cart and using a radio
controlled car circuit to operate it manually. Prove that the drive
hardware works and then cobble up the brain for doing it automagically.
Hmm, an R/C car design using a gas motor and some sort of battery operated
starter would probably get around the rather hefty battery requirements
that
moving several cans of trash might require.

-Bill Kearney

"....scream like a banshee...." reminds me of a problem we once had in a
medical
center setting. The facility consisted of multiple buildings spread over a
wide
campus area, and were essentially freely open to the public. Thieves kept
stealing
tv sets from various locations, and security was unable to patrol open areas
effectively (this was before the advent of camera surveillance and other tv
security devices). We decided to install a sonalert in series with a 9v
battery,
a tilt switch, and a key-operated switch to arm the system and allow the
technicians
to install the sets without activating the sonalert. For the next six
months or so we
would almost daily find squawking tv sets in hallways or classrooms, but we
didn't
lose a single tv after that.

Steve
 
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Steve Moulding

Jan 1, 1970
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Steve said:
"....scream like a banshee...." reminds me of a problem we once had
in a medical
center setting. The facility consisted of multiple buildings spread
over a wide
campus area, and were essentially freely open to the public. Thieves
kept stealing
tv sets from various locations, and security was unable to patrol
open areas effectively (this was before the advent of camera
surveillance and other tv security devices). We decided to install a
sonalert in series with a 9v battery,
a tilt switch, and a key-operated switch to arm the system and allow
the technicians
to install the sets without activating the sonalert. For the next six
months or so we
would almost daily find squawking tv sets in hallways or classrooms,
but we didn't
lose a single tv after that.

Steve

I apologize to the group for the above quote mess - I am thoroughly
chastized and have added QuoteFix to my OE.

Steve
 
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martin griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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Is this so that Americans can get fatter still by taking even less exercise
?

My suggestion is that your idea's stupid.

Graham
aah, The dedication of the corporation to its customers

"three new McDonalds restaurants come on line every day, that
McDonalds corporate goal is to have no American more than four minutes
from one of its outlets."


martin
 
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Phil Hobbs

Jan 1, 1970
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Bill said:
You could hack the brains out of one of those robotic lawn mowers. I don't
recall them needing buried wire. Likewise a radar sensor could deal with
unexpected obstructions. Even machine vision would work. Since it's
following a regular track it'd be simple comparison against a known-clear
path, not actual pattern recognition.

Dealing with someone stealing it isn't technological, but some sort of "I'm
too far from my base station, scream like a banshee" feature might be
entertaining. Heh, have it scream "help, help, I've been stolen from..."
and start frantically running it's drive wheels.

Hmmm, if they're cheap enough one of those robo-mowers might indeed be a
cool starting point. Teach it to traverse a fake lawn path and then hack it
onto something with enough drive motor horsepower to move the weight.

You could start the experiment by building the cart and using a radio
controlled car circuit to operate it manually. Prove that the drive
hardware works and then cobble up the brain for doing it automagically.
Hmm, an R/C car design using a gas motor and some sort of battery operated
starter would probably get around the rather hefty battery requirements that
moving several cans of trash might require.

-Bill Kearney

C'mon, guys, all this stuff is _way_ too complicated. It's not the
_robot_ you need to place accurately, it's the _trash_. I recommend
using Kevlar-reinforced bags, an extra-heavy-duty trash can, a bit of
silicon carbide and water, and a spark plug--ta-daa! the Trash Cannon.
Measure the weight of the trash bag, and adjust the amount of carbide
with a PIC controlling a small motorized hopper. The metering curve
would have to be calibrated experimentally.

Alternatively, if local laws or jumpy neighbours render pyrotechnics
inappropriate, you could use a Trash Trebuchet. This would have the
advantage of a much more predictable trajectory, since the initial
velocity of the payload is more nearly constant than with a gun.

Either of these would solve the navigation problem, since the relative
positions of trash can and curb can be calibrated in advance, and both
would be a bit big and nasty to steal. (Control algorithm suggestions
welcomed.) A small CO2 laser (eye-safe!) could be used to shoo
pedestrians out of the line of fire.

Cheers,

Phil Hobbs
 
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BruceR

Jan 1, 1970
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I don't know about a breathing machine, but it's obvious that a great
number of Brits haven't taken up the electric toothbrush in droves - or
even the manual version for that matter! ...and then there's nothing
quite as healthy as warm beer and bangers to keep the ol' ticker
ticking.

From:pooh Bear
[email protected]
 
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BruceR

Jan 1, 1970
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I read that iRobot (www.irobot.com), makers of the Roomba line of
robotic floor care products (which Pooh Bear will certainly eschew) is
offering their platform as a base unit for robotic developers. It might
be what you're looking for in that it's the perfect size for holding a
trash can although I have no idea what the weight limitations would be.
Others have discouraged you because of potential problems with
pedestrians, theft, directional stability or traction in adverse weather
conditions. These are the very same objections raised at the turn of
the 20th century when automobiles were introduced. Given the 100+ year
success of the automobile perhaps those objections are not
insurmountable!
I think your idea has merit particularly for the elderly or infirm and
even for those just not wanting to dash out in the rain. While it
clearly won't be suitable for every geograhic variation, or affordable
for many initially, I think there are still many millions of homes that
would comprise a market for the product.


From:Nehmo Sergheyev
[email protected]
 
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Winfield Hill

Jan 1, 1970
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BruceR wrote...
there's nothing quite as healthy as warm beer and bangers
to keep the ol' ticker ticking.

Sorry, but what's a banger?
 
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