Safe Room Door Lock

[Crash Gordon]

Gotta do a safe-room door lock...I'm thinking a 600lb mag lock? The door
will be semi hidden and swing towards the opening person/side. No other
hardware will be visible on the door...it's in a MBR closet and will have
shelves on it. Heavy wooden door.

I don't think a door strike will work as it will be visible.

Any other ideas before I rough it in tomorrow?

 

[Bob Worthy]

What about the hinges? It the door is swinging out, the hinges and pins will
be exposed to the outside. A pin at each hinge that recesses into the jamb
when the door is closed will prevent the door from opening, from the hinge
side, if the pins are popped. With no other hardware on the outside of the
door, a 600 lb. mag, with a battery back up power supply, should be
sufficient. It should also be a steel door with steel jamb. There is a
company that is selling these doors now called Masters Security Door. They
are a Italian company with a new operation in the States. They are starting
to sell these doors in Florida's Home Depots. Their website will be
available shortly. It is a great door.

 

[Crash Gordon]

This was a last minute decision (aren't they all). The door is wood, the
room is block, but the frame out is wood. I guess they'll hide the hinges
with the shelving - it's not gonna be 100% invisible obviously..it coulda
been if they had consulted with me 2 months ago instead of yesterday.

I'm thinking of hiding the control/pwr supply & backup outside the room
instead of inside since I want the lock to fail-secure...whaddya think? Of
course a rex button inside the room.


| What about the hinges? It the door is swinging out, the hinges and pins
will
| be exposed to the outside. A pin at each hinge that recesses into the jamb
| when the door is closed will prevent the door from opening, from the hinge
| side, if the pins are popped. With no other hardware on the outside of the
| door, a 600 lb. mag, with a battery back up power supply, should be
| sufficient. It should also be a steel door with steel jamb. There is a
| company that is selling these doors now called Masters Security Door. They
| are a Italian company with a new operation in the States. They are
starting
| to sell these doors in Florida's Home Depots. Their website will be
| available shortly. It is a great door.
| | > Gotta do a safe-room door lock...I'm thinking a 600lb mag lock? The door
| > will be semi hidden and swing towards the opening person/side. No other
| > hardware will be visible on the door...it's in a MBR closet and will
have
| > shelves on it. Heavy wooden door.
| >
| > I don't think a door strike will work as it will be visible.
| >
| > Any other ideas before I rough it in tomorrow?
| >
| >
| >
|
|
|

 

[Robert L Bass]

Gotta do a safe-room door lock...I'm thinking a 600lb mag lock? The door
will be semi hidden and swing towards the opening person/side. No other
hardware will be visible on the door...it's in a MBR closet and will have
shelves on it. Heavy wooden door.

Mag locks are fine for safe rooms as long as you provide lots of
backup power and a panic release for the magnet. Also, assuming
this is to protect the homeowners in the event of a break-in, I
would use a 1200 lb lock. A good size screwdriver can easily
deliver 600 lbs of leveraged force to pry the door open.
Recommend to the client that they leave a cell phone inside the
room at all times.

I had a client who used an old fallout shelter in his basement as
a safe room. Turns out nasties from the inner city were more of
a threat than the USSR. His room had a manually operated bar
lock across the door. Whoever built the place was really into
preparedness. There were shelves with provisions for something
like 90 days for two or three people, a toilet, a hand-pumped
well and stuff. When my customer bought the house the previous
owner left everything intact.

BTW, did you see the movie "Safe Room?"

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Crash Gordon]

Yes saw the movie.

It's really not intended to be a people safe-room although it could sorta be
one...more of an informal secured room in a snow-bird house for him to hide
large paintings and shit like that.

I doubt though that a screwdriver could pry opened (towards you) a 600lb mag
lock...I've tried blasting against one that opened away and couldn't do it
with my massive super strength


|
| > Gotta do a safe-room door lock...I'm thinking a 600lb mag lock? The door
| > will be semi hidden and swing towards the opening person/side. No other
| > hardware will be visible on the door...it's in a MBR closet and will
have
| > shelves on it. Heavy wooden door.
|
| Mag locks are fine for safe rooms as long as you provide lots of
| backup power and a panic release for the magnet. Also, assuming
| this is to protect the homeowners in the event of a break-in, I
| would use a 1200 lb lock. A good size screwdriver can easily
| deliver 600 lbs of leveraged force to pry the door open.
| Recommend to the client that they leave a cell phone inside the
| room at all times.
|
| I had a client who used an old fallout shelter in his basement as
| a safe room. Turns out nasties from the inner city were more of
| a threat than the USSR. His room had a manually operated bar
| lock across the door. Whoever built the place was really into
| preparedness. There were shelves with provisions for something
| like 90 days for two or three people, a toilet, a hand-pumped
| well and stuff. When my customer bought the house the previous
| owner left everything intact.
|
| BTW, did you see the movie "Safe Room?"
|
| --
|
| Regards,
| Robert L Bass
|
| Bass Burglar Alarms
| The Online DIY Store
| http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
|
| > I don't think a door strike will work as it will be visible.
| >
| > Any other ideas before I rough it in tomorrow?
|

 

[Robert L Bass]

Yes saw the movie.

It's really not intended to be a people safe-room although it could sorta be
one...more of an informal secured room in a snow-bird house for him to hide
large paintings and shit like that.

I doubt though that a screwdriver could pry opened (towards you) a 600lb mag
lock...I've tried blasting against one that opened away and couldn't do it
with my massive super strength

I forced a 600-lb lock open with my shoulder once and I'm only of
average strength -- not exactly a weight lifter. :^) It really
wasn't all that tough. They're not intended to keep bad guys out
-- more for limiting movement of personnel. If there's a wall or
other rigid, parallel structure nearby, a strong man could open
the door using leg pressure. It's surprising the amount of
pressure even an average adult can deliver in a leg press.

Consider the leverage of a 12" long screwdriver with 1/2"
inserted into the space between the door and the frame. There's
a 23/1 mechanical advantage. The thief only has to apply about
30-35 lbs of force. Note: If it were linear motion the figure
would be just over 26 pounds, but the screwdriver is describing a
circular arc so the required force in a tangential direction
increases somewhat.

If the door opens away from the lock it's even easier -- take a
run and hit it with your shoulder. I weigh just over 200 pounds.
At a 15 mph sprint that's more than enough force to pop a 600-lb
lock. With a 1200 pound lock it would be significantly harder to
pop. If you use an 1800 pound lock the required force would
destroy the door before the magnet would give way. :^)

The difference in cost between a 600 and a 1200 or 1800 pound
lock isn't all that much. You might want to explain the options
and let the client decide what he wants to spend. Most folks
will part with a few extra dollars if they can see a significant
advantage in the hardware.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Bob Worthy]

it coulda

been if they had consulted with me 2 months ago instead of yesterday.

Don't ya luv it..

I'm thinking of hiding the control/pwr supply & backup outside the room
instead of inside since I want the lock to fail-secure...whaddya think?

Your call... but, if the door fails secure, which it should, and the perp
has access to the control, you need to consider a mechanical type rex button
(pneumatic type possibly) and not an electronic type rex device and that
connection needs to stay within the protected area and not the control/pwr
supply. I usually add an emergency button and if budget allows a dedicated
phone line, which I also use for the alarm panel. I put a wall phone in as
well. Safe rooms can be used for storm protection as well as personnal
protection during a crime. A phone is handy as long as there is service. I
know someone here mentioned a cellphone, but in a bunker you don't alway
have cell signal, so I would be leary of limiting it to this suggestion
alone. Have electrical outlet for TV/Radio and an exhaust fan. Put the light
on a dimmer switch. Total light or total darkness can get to a person if
they spend an extended amount of time in there. Any wall that is not block
or concrete, line with 3/4" plywood before drywall. Makes the door jamb a
little tricky but that is why they have split jambs or extention jambs. But
then again you said this one is to late...Oh well...there is always next
time.

 

[Bob Worthy]

"Robert L Bass" wrote in message >

Mag locks are fine for safe rooms as long as you provide lots of
backup power and a panic release for the magnet. Also, assuming
this is to protect the homeowners in the event of a break-in, I
would use a 1200 lb lock.

OK, your judgement call

A good size screwdriver can easily
deliver 600 lbs of leveraged force to pry the door open.

Nice sales pitch but not likely. A properly installed door does not leave
enough room between the door and the jamb to get a **good sized**
screwdriver in for the leverage you are referring to

Recommend to the client that they leave a cell phone inside the
room at all times.

Right...and leave it charging and make sure it has continuos signal in a
bunker and make sure the kids don't take it and when they change providers,
remember that phone which has been hidden in the basement for the last 10
years. Your expecting alot Robert.

 

[Bob Worthy]

in message

I forced a 600-lb lock open with my shoulder once and I'm only of
average strength -- not exactly a weight lifter.

I think everyone here has already made that assumption

If there's a wall or
other rigid, parallel structure nearby, a strong man could open
the door using leg pressure.

Not when the door swings outward. Please read and understand the OP post
before you grace us with your vast knowledge.

It's surprising the amount of
pressure even an average adult can deliver in a leg press.

This coming from not exactly a weight lifter by his own admission.

Consider the leverage of a 12" long screwdriver with 1/2"

You sure like that fraction. Didn't we hear the same thing about a drill bit
just recently.

inserted into the space between the door and the frame. There's
a 23/1 mechanical advantage.

The force would be downward, not outward, with only a 1/2" insertion on 1
3/4" door. The best the perp could expect is to take a chunk out of the door
and only if the shank of the screwdriver didn't bend upward first.

The thief only has to apply about
30-35 lbs of force. Note: If it were linear motion the figure
would be just over 26 pounds, but the screwdriver is describing a
circular arc so the required force in a tangential direction
increases somewhat.

Have to break out the old slide rule for that line of BS there, Robert?

If the door opens away from the lock it's even easier

Have you ever seen a door open into the lock? BAHAHAHAHAHA....Do you know
how to spell Door Stop?? Stop Robert...I can't take it any more...I am LOL
until my side hurts. Why don't you drop the 4 online stores and do Stand Up?
I don't think people would pay but you are hilarious.

-- take a

run and hit it with your shoulder. I weigh just over 200 pounds.
BAHAHAHAHAHA....just?......just?

At a 15 mph sprint that's more than enough force to pop a 600-lb
lock.

Lets think about this for kicks and giggles. A safe room is probably... what
6'X8'? Maybe 8'X10'? and you want someone to get to a 15mph sprint in that
distance. Riiiightttt! And why should they do this? To get out? Remember the
door swings out. All they have to do is hit the rex button. Why take a
chance on injuring their shoulder? Next, a perp could take a 15mph run,
which is questionable inside any structure, at it and if the door is
installed properly, with or without a mag of any size most likely will
bounce off the door and land on his ass. Why, because, again Robert, the
door swings outward.
Your propensity to quickly jump in and cast your opinions vastly outweights
your understanding of what you read. Your so easy, but keep it coming, if
for nothing more than kicks and giggles.

With a 1200 pound lock it would be significantly harder to

pop.

Astute observation

If you use an 1800 pound lock the required force would
destroy the door before the magnet would give way.
Brilliant

Most folks
will part with a few extra dollars if they can see a significant
advantage in the hardware.

As presented by RLB.

 

[Crash Gordon]

All block except the roof.
Yep, gonna do a phone and low voltage backup lighting.

Still undecided about putting power in or out of room.


|
| | it coulda
| > been if they had consulted with me 2 months ago instead of yesterday.
|
| Don't ya luv it..
|
| >
| > I'm thinking of hiding the control/pwr supply & backup outside the room
| > instead of inside since I want the lock to fail-secure...whaddya think?
|
| Your call... but, if the door fails secure, which it should, and the perp
| has access to the control, you need to consider a mechanical type rex
button
| (pneumatic type possibly) and not an electronic type rex device and that
| connection needs to stay within the protected area and not the control/pwr
| supply. I usually add an emergency button and if budget allows a dedicated
| phone line, which I also use for the alarm panel. I put a wall phone in as
| well. Safe rooms can be used for storm protection as well as personnal
| protection during a crime. A phone is handy as long as there is service. I
| know someone here mentioned a cellphone, but in a bunker you don't alway
| have cell signal, so I would be leary of limiting it to this suggestion
| alone. Have electrical outlet for TV/Radio and an exhaust fan. Put the
light
| on a dimmer switch. Total light or total darkness can get to a person if
| they spend an extended amount of time in there. Any wall that is not block
| or concrete, line with 3/4" plywood before drywall. Makes the door jamb a
| little tricky but that is why they have split jambs or extention jambs.
But
| then again you said this one is to late...Oh well...there is always next
| time.
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

It's 8" block wall with fully grouted cells and rebar. The door will be
mostly concealed including the hinges (dunno how but the guy is loaded so if
there is such a thing he will buy it). There won't be any visible door knob
or hardware so I think prying th door outward, even with only a 600lb mag
lock will be pretty darn difficult. Also, the perp will have to pass at
least 3 layers of an ADT alarm system to get to where the room is.

Yah ADT beat me to the remodel...but given they've already had 3 false
alarms since we've been there so dunno how long that relationship will last.
I met with the sheriff today and I asked him what zone ADT dispatched on and
he said they didn't give him any info...just the alarm dispatch...weird...we
always dispatch with a zone description. Ah well.

I hate prewiring for another company, but I am anyway. I know my prices are
more reasonable then their's would be.


|
| "Robert L Bass" wrote in message
|
| > > I doubt though that a screwdriver could pry opened (towards you) a
600lb
| mag
| > > lock...I've tried blasting against one that opened away and couldn't
do
| it
| > > with my massive super strength
| >
| > I forced a 600-lb lock open with my shoulder once and I'm only of
| > average strength -- not exactly a weight lifter.
|
| I think everyone here has already made that assumption
|
| > If there's a wall or
| > other rigid, parallel structure nearby, a strong man could open
| > the door using leg pressure.
|
| Not when the door swings outward. Please read and understand the OP post
| before you grace us with your vast knowledge.
|
| >It's surprising the amount of
| > pressure even an average adult can deliver in a leg press.
|
| This coming from not exactly a weight lifter by his own admission.
|
| > Consider the leverage of a 12" long screwdriver with 1/2"
|
| You sure like that fraction. Didn't we hear the same thing about a drill
bit
| just recently.
|
| > inserted into the space between the door and the frame. There's
| > a 23/1 mechanical advantage.
|
| The force would be downward, not outward, with only a 1/2" insertion on 1
| 3/4" door. The best the perp could expect is to take a chunk out of the
door
| and only if the shank of the screwdriver didn't bend upward first.
|
| > The thief only has to apply about
| > 30-35 lbs of force. Note: If it were linear motion the figure
| > would be just over 26 pounds, but the screwdriver is describing a
| > circular arc so the required force in a tangential direction
| > increases somewhat.
|
| Have to break out the old slide rule for that line of BS there, Robert?
| >
| > If the door opens away from the lock it's even easier
|
| Have you ever seen a door open into the lock? BAHAHAHAHAHA....Do you know
| how to spell Door Stop?? Stop Robert...I can't take it any more...I am LOL
| until my side hurts. Why don't you drop the 4 online stores and do Stand
Up?
| I don't think people would pay but you are hilarious.
|
| -- take a
| > run and hit it with your shoulder. I weigh just over 200 pounds.
|
| BAHAHAHAHAHA....just?......just?
|
| > At a 15 mph sprint that's more than enough force to pop a 600-lb
| > lock.
|
| Lets think about this for kicks and giggles. A safe room is probably...
what
| 6'X8'? Maybe 8'X10'? and you want someone to get to a 15mph sprint in that
| distance. Riiiightttt! And why should they do this? To get out? Remember
the
| door swings out. All they have to do is hit the rex button. Why take a
| chance on injuring their shoulder? Next, a perp could take a 15mph run,
| which is questionable inside any structure, at it and if the door is
| installed properly, with or without a mag of any size most likely will
| bounce off the door and land on his ass. Why, because, again Robert, the
| door swings outward.
| Your propensity to quickly jump in and cast your opinions vastly
outweights
| your understanding of what you read. Your so easy, but keep it coming, if
| for nothing more than kicks and giggles.
|
| With a 1200 pound lock it would be significantly harder to
| > pop.
|
| Astute observation
|
| > If you use an 1800 pound lock the required force would
| > destroy the door before the magnet would give way.
|
| Brilliant
|
| >Most folks
| > will part with a few extra dollars if they can see a significant
| > advantage in the hardware.
|
| As presented by RLB.
|
|
|

 

[Stanley Barthfarkle]

Yah ADT beat me to the remodel...but given they've already had 3 false
alarms since we've been there so dunno how long that relationship will
last.
I met with the sheriff today and I asked him what zone ADT dispatched on
and
he said they didn't give him any info...just the alarm
dispatch...weird...we
always dispatch with a zone description. Ah well.

The guy is 'loaded' and he went with an ADT resi system?!? Holy false
alarms, Batman. Tell him to part with a few bucks and have a real alarm
installed. He might also be interested to know that over 24,000 people have
access to MasterMind, and thus, his password and other vital info.

 

[Chub]

Frank, you might have to add this one to your classic Doug L post for future
reference.

 

[Robert L Bass]

Crash,

I have Worthless filtered so I don't usually read his drivel.
What I shared with you was for your benefit since you asked for
opinions on the plan -- not some sort of contest to show who
knows best.

If you believe a 600 pound lock will hold, go for it. I'd try to
get the client to spring for a stronger lock if he's keeping
valuable paintings and such in there. However, you know the
client and you probably have a good handle on what he wants.

--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[alarman]

I have Worthless filtered so I don't usually read his drivel.

snip


in message

I forced a 600-lb lock open with my shoulder once and I'm only of
average strength -- not exactly a weight lifter.

I think everyone here has already made that assumption

If there's a wall or
other rigid, parallel structure nearby, a strong man could open
the door using leg pressure.

Not when the door swings outward. Please read and understand the OP post
before you grace us with your vast knowledge.

It's surprising the amount of
pressure even an average adult can deliver in a leg press.

This coming from not exactly a weight lifter by his own admission.

Consider the leverage of a 12" long screwdriver with 1/2"

You sure like that fraction. Didn't we hear the same thing about a drill bit
just recently.

inserted into the space between the door and the frame. There's
a 23/1 mechanical advantage.

The force would be downward, not outward, with only a 1/2" insertion on 1
3/4" door. The best the perp could expect is to take a chunk out of the door
and only if the shank of the screwdriver didn't bend upward first.

The thief only has to apply about
30-35 lbs of force. Note: If it were linear motion the figure
would be just over 26 pounds, but the screwdriver is describing a
circular arc so the required force in a tangential direction
increases somewhat.

Have to break out the old slide rule for that line of BS there, Robert?

If the door opens away from the lock it's even easier

Have you ever seen a door open into the lock? BAHAHAHAHAHA....Do you know
how to spell Door Stop?? Stop Robert...I can't take it any more...I am LOL
until my side hurts. Why don't you drop the 4 online stores and do Stand Up?
I don't think people would pay but you are hilarious.

-- take a

run and hit it with your shoulder. I weigh just over 200 pounds.
BAHAHAHAHAHA....just?......just?

At a 15 mph sprint that's more than enough force to pop a 600-lb
lock.

Lets think about this for kicks and giggles. A safe room is probably... what
6'X8'? Maybe 8'X10'? and you want someone to get to a 15mph sprint in that
distance. Riiiightttt! And why should they do this? To get out? Remember the
door swings out. All they have to do is hit the rex button. Why take a
chance on injuring their shoulder? Next, a perp could take a 15mph run,
which is questionable inside any structure, at it and if the door is
installed properly, with or without a mag of any size most likely will
bounce off the door and land on his ass. Why, because, again Robert, the
door swings outward.
Your propensity to quickly jump in and cast your opinions vastly outweights
your understanding of what you read. Your so easy, but keep it coming, if
for nothing more than kicks and giggles.

With a 1200 pound lock it would be significantly harder to

pop.

Astute observation

If you use an 1800 pound lock the required force would
destroy the door before the magnet would give way.
Brilliant

Most folks
will part with a few extra dollars if they can see a significant
advantage in the hardware.

As presented by RLB.

 

[Crash Gordon]

Loaded aint the werd man. Originally it looks like a Pro 1 abortion, that
ADT tried to clean up a bit. Safewatch Pro 3000 but what a rat's nest of
wired and wireless. Holes cut in walls that aren't patched. A 5 buck surge
protector strip from Home Depot with the transformers plugged into it
laying on a shelf. Why do people bend the antenna on 5881's at right angles
to the wall instead of positioning the receiver so they lay flat and
vertical? (rhetorically asked).

I missed getting it by a week or two, so now he's locked in for a while.

One thing I'd not seen before is these little intercom looking things next
to each keypad (like the DSC thingies) the seem to connect into the back of
the keypads I know this because they notched the drywall and didn't spackle
the notch. Did I mention this is a million+ dollar home? Looks like krap. Is
there an intercom feature for the 3000? The homeowner doesn't seem to know
what they are for either!...wierd cause he just had all this work done
recently.

So when I'm leaving there today and yakking with the sheriff's deputy I turn
and look up the hill at the retaining wall that holds this house from
sliding down the mountain and theres: a ADT sign, then a few feet over a Pro
1 sign, and just enough room for me to install my sign in a few years
)))) - only I usually remove everyone else's sign.




|
| > Yah ADT beat me to the remodel...but given they've already had 3 false
| > alarms since we've been there so dunno how long that relationship will
| > last.
| > I met with the sheriff today and I asked him what zone ADT dispatched on
| > and
| > he said they didn't give him any info...just the alarm
| > dispatch...weird...we
| > always dispatch with a zone description. Ah well.
|
|
| The guy is 'loaded' and he went with an ADT resi system?!? Holy false
| alarms, Batman. Tell him to part with a few bucks and have a real alarm
| installed. He might also be interested to know that over 24,000 people
have
| access to MasterMind, and thus, his password and other vital info.
|
|

 

[Crash Gordon]

Money aint a big concern, so maybe I'll go higher poundage, doesnt cost that
much more...size may be an issue though.


| Crash,
|
| I have Worthless filtered so I don't usually read his drivel.
| What I shared with you was for your benefit since you asked for
| opinions on the plan -- not some sort of contest to show who
| knows best.
|
| If you believe a 600 pound lock will hold, go for it. I'd try to
| get the client to spring for a stronger lock if he's keeping
| valuable paintings and such in there. However, you know the
| client and you probably have a good handle on what he wants.
|
| --
|
| Regards,
| Robert L Bass
|
| Bass Burglar Alarms
| The Online DIY Store
| http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com
|
|
|

 

[Robert L Bass]

Money aint a big concern, so maybe I'll

go higher poundage, doesnt cost that
much more...size may be an issue though.

This being a PG rated newsgroup, I'll let that one go by. :^)


--

Regards,
Robert L Bass

Bass Burglar Alarms
The Online DIY Store
http://www.BassBurglarAlarms.com

 

[Bob Worthy]

All block except the roof.
Yep, gonna do a phone and low voltage backup lighting.

Still undecided about putting power in or out of room.

Then error to the side of safety. Go inside.

 

[Norm Mugford]

Mr. BAss wrote:

"I have Worthless filtered so I don't usually read his drivel".

Congradulations Bob! Welcome to the "The Fat BAss Filtered List"
You're in great company.......It's so nice to be Fat BAss Filtered.

Mr. BAss wrote:

"Just over 200 pounds"

Sure Mr. BAss...70 ain't just over.......
It would be fair to say you're just under 300 pounds.....

You're lieing again Mr. BAss.

Let's see ..... was that 30 pounds under 300, or 29 pounds,
or 28 pounds, or 27 pounds, or 26 pounds, or 25 pounds.......

Sounds like another lie you write about.
How many years have you been in the business?

You lie Mr. BAss..... You Lie.......

Norm Mugford

in message


I think everyone here has already made that assumption


Not when the door swings outward. Please read and understand the OP post
before you grace us with your vast knowledge.


This coming from not exactly a weight lifter by his own admission.


You sure like that fraction. Didn't we hear the same thing about a drill
bit
just recently.


The force would be downward, not outward, with only a 1/2" insertion on 1
3/4" door. The best the perp could expect is to take a chunk out of the
door
and only if the shank of the screwdriver didn't bend upward first.


Have to break out the old slide rule for that line of BS there, Robert?

Have you ever seen a door open into the lock? BAHAHAHAHAHA....Do you know
how to spell Door Stop?? Stop Robert...I can't take it any more...I am LOL
until my side hurts. Why don't you drop the 4 online stores and do Stand
Up?
I don't think people would pay but you are hilarious.

-- take a

Lets think about this for kicks and giggles. A safe room is probably...
what
6'X8'? Maybe 8'X10'? and you want someone to get to a 15mph sprint in that
distance. Riiiightttt! And why should they do this? To get out? Remember
the
door swings out. All they have to do is hit the rex button. Why take a
chance on injuring their shoulder? Next, a perp could take a 15mph run,
which is questionable inside any structure, at it and if the door is
installed properly, with or without a mag of any size most likely will
bounce off the door and land on his ass. Why, because, again Robert, the
door swings outward.
Your propensity to quickly jump in and cast your opinions vastly
outweights
your understanding of what you read. Your so easy, but keep it coming, if
for nothing more than kicks and giggles.

With a 1200 pound lock it would be significantly harder to

Astute observation


As presented by RLB.

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