Robert Proctor on ignorance (O.T.)

[Charles]

The following is a direct quote from Discover Magazine, Jan. 2009, p. 12

Q: How common is the active creation of ignorance?

A: It's pretty common. I mean, in terms of sowing doubt, certainly global
warming is a famous one. You know, the global warming denialists who for
years have managed to say, "Well, the case is not proven. We need more
research." And what's interesting is that a lot of the people working on
that were also the people working for Big Tobacco.

 

[Charles]

The following is a direct quote from Discover Magazine, Jan. 2009, p. 12

Q: How common is the active creation of ignorance?

A: It's pretty common. I mean, in terms of sowing doubt, certainly
global warming is a famous one. You know, the global warming denialists
who for years have managed to say, "Well, the case is not proven. We need
more research." And what's interesting is that a lot of the people
working on that were also the people working for Big Tobacco.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/oct/01_10_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif

It's an extremely isolated and thus meaningless metric (based on the context
into which it was foisted).

Big Tobacco used the same techniques.

Most of us know better.

 

[Martin Riddle]

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| On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:07:38 -0500, "Charles"
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| >
| >| >> The following is a direct quote from Discover Magazine, Jan. 2009,
p. 12
| >>
| >> Q: How common is the active creation of ignorance?
| >>
| >> A: It's pretty common. I mean, in terms of sowing doubt,
certainly
| >> global warming is a famous one. You know, the global warming
denialists
| >> who for years have managed to say, "Well, the case is not proven.
We need
| >> more research." And what's interesting is that a lot of the people
| >> working on that were also the people working for Big Tobacco.
| >
| >
|

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/img/climate/research/2008/oct/01_10_2008_DvTempRank_pg.gif

| >
| >It's an extremely isolated and thus meaningless metric (based on the
context
| >into which it was foisted).
| >
| >Big Tobacco used the same techniques.
| >
| >Most of us know better.
| >
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| MOST of us don't. The BS just keeps getter deeper. Sheeesh!
|
| The Pacific Ocean temperature is at a 5 year record low (just reported
| today). The sea creatures are reproducing like crazy.
|
| ...Jim Thompson

We just had our normal 1st week of December 3" of snow. I see no signs
of global warming.

Cheers

 

[krw]

North Central Florida has broken records for cold temperatures
several times already this season. Marion County has had multiple
nights of 30 degrees or colder so far.

We've been getting into the high 20s every night. It's amazing how
much water there is in the air to squeeze out into frost on my
windshield every morning. It's usually sunny and in the 50s by
noon. Compared to VT, this is wonderful! (let me count the ways -
4000 of them in property taxes alone).

 

[krw]

Both of you have mis-spelled 'septic'.

The obviously weren't talking to you.

 

[mpm]

The following is a direct quote from Discover Magazine, Jan. 2009, p. 12

Q:  How common is the active creation of ignorance?

A:  It's pretty common.  I mean, in terms of sowing doubt, certainly global
warming is a famous one.  You know, the global warming denialists who for
years have managed to say, "Well, the case is not proven.  We need more
research."  And what's interesting is that a lot of the people working on
that were also the people working for Big Tobacco.

It's still a part-to-whole comparison flaw, since not all people
working on Global Warming were formerlly associated with Big Tobacco.

-mpm

 

[krw]

How are you doing with that Nichtlachen-Keinwortz syndrome?

Don't you have something to do that you're qualified for, like
delivering a sandwich?

It was a joke (OK, a lame one). But its not necessary for the 'straight
man' to realize that a punch line has been delivered. Sometimes it works
out better if they don't catch it at all.

You're the only joke in this threadlet.

Worse yet, I've spent all this time trying to get onto Thompson's kill
file. But if you insist on replying to my posts, he'll have to read my
stuff.

You obviously are incapable of reading, too.

Unless he kill files you too.

Try again. Think about it a while. It'll come to you.

 

[Charles]

The following is a direct quote from Discover Magazine, Jan. 2009, p. 12

Q: How common is the active creation of ignorance?

A: It's pretty common. I mean, in terms of sowing doubt, certainly
global warming is a famous one. You know, the global warming denialists
who for years have managed to say, "Well, the case is not proven. We need
more research." And what's interesting is that a lot of the people
working on that were also the people working for Big Tobacco.

As expected and, as usual, the point has been missed.

Has nothing to do with the messengers (here, the defined cretins ...
Discover Magazine and Charles, the current persona non grata).

I hoped "Sci" (the prefix for this newsgroup) might refer to science. A
human methodology where all ideas are scrutinized and openly questioned and
reasonably considered and then ultimately leads to refutation of denialists,
and other forms of idiocy.

 

[krw]

My property taxes are $671.83 this year.

Mine are about $1600 for a 2600sq.ft. 3 BR, 3-1/2 bath house with
granite countertops everywhere. They were almost $6000 for a
1700sq.ft. 3BR, 2-1/2 bath house, in VT. The value of the houses is
equal.

BTW, Joerg, it's 70F here again today. ;-)