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Sonny Maou

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi there. I think this is a good place for this question...

I'd like to get a measuring device that I can attach a cable to two ends
and have it measure how much force is being applied as the cable is pulled.

I've done some research and have found load cells and tensionmeters,
etc., but I don't know which one is for me or where I should go to get
one cheap! :)

Thanks for your help.
 
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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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sci.electronics.components and sci.engr.control would also be good places to
look.

I don't know what you mean by "cheap", but if your price goal is less that a
couple of hundred bucks you may have to make your own. "Cheap" to a plant
operator means "never needs maintenance", because plant shutdowns can cost
hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a day, so $500 for
something that lasts forever is "cheap".

You may also want to check out sporting goods stores -- I hear that there
are fish scales these days with RS-232 readouts.
 
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Don Pearce

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi there. I think this is a good place for this question...

I'd like to get a measuring device that I can attach a cable to two ends
and have it measure how much force is being applied as the cable is pulled.

I've done some research and have found load cells and tensionmeters,
etc., but I don't know which one is for me or where I should go to get
one cheap! :)

Thanks for your help.

A spring balance from any camping shop (fishermen use them lie about
how heavy their fish were!). Just get one with a scale suited to the
kinds of force your cable will allow.

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Sonny Maou

Jan 1, 1970
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Don said:
A spring balance from any camping shop (fishermen use them lie about
how heavy their fish were!). Just get one with a scale suited to the
kinds of force your cable will allow.

Thank you Don and Tim for your help.

I need to measure a range from about 10lbs to 3000lbs, in 1lb
increments. Do fish scales still apply to that range?

What's the device actually called? Is it a transducer? pull-test load
cell? what?
 
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Sonny Maou

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim said:
I don't know what you mean by "cheap", but if your price goal is less that a
couple of hundred bucks you may have to make your own. "Cheap" to a plant
operator means "never needs maintenance", because plant shutdowns can cost
hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars a day, so $500 for
something that lasts forever is "cheap".

I'm looking at a consumer end-user product... I would prefer it be down
in the $200 range and include a digital readout. :)

Are there instructions for making a load measuring device at a bookstore
or on the web somewhere?
 
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Pat Ford

Jan 1, 1970
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10lbs to 3000lbs, big range!

What about mounting the winch on a slide, with a hydraulic cylinder and a
pressure gauge. By choosing the right gauge you get what ever resolution
you want. You could even have different cylinders for different ranges.
You could even use the cylinders to apply the force
Pat
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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Sonny said:
I need to measure a range from about 10lbs to 3000lbs, in 1lb
increments. Do fish scales still apply to that range?

What's the device actually called? Is it a transducer? pull-test load
cell? what?

A load cell should do the job , I guess.
I have no idea whether they come with >12bit of resolution.

Rene
 
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Don Pearce

Jan 1, 1970
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Thank you Don and Tim for your help.

I need to measure a range from about 10lbs to 3000lbs, in 1lb
increments. Do fish scales still apply to that range?

What's the device actually called? Is it a transducer? pull-test load
cell? what?

The more normal way of doing this for such loads is to use the cable
itself. It will have an elasticity spec (Young's modulus) that relates
stretch to load. Attach a strain gauge to the cable (non-invasive - it
just glues onto the cable anywhere), and measure a voltage
proportional to load. You can either rely on the numbers or calibrate
with a known load. You should be able to pick up an entire strain
gauge and PC interface from mechanical engineering suppliers.

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Tim Wescott

Jan 1, 1970
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The part that converts one quantity (tension) into another (volts, whatever)
is the transducer. If you put a readout on it it's a meter. "Pull-Test
Load Cell" sounds like a good name.

1-1/2 tons is a large fish, so the fish scale idea is probably out. 3000
pounds sounds impressive but in 11-pound increments you're only asking for
slightly more than 8 bits of resolution. This should be doable.

Is this single-use or are you trying to make a product? If you're just want
to buy something check McMaster-Carr (www.mcmaster.com) -- they may have
something with the resolution you want. You should also check Omega
(www.omega.com). They tend to specialize in the "beginning industrial"
segment, their stuff is slightly more expensive than others but they hold
your hand when you go to use it, which can be very nice.

If there isn't something that exists then this is as much a problem of
mechanical design as it is electrical. You should be able to take a
compression load cell and wrap it in such a manner that tension on your
cable equals compression on the cell, then you can read it out. If you want
to start entirely from scratch you should be able to apply the load cell
idea to tension -- I see no reason why a proof ring or a strain gauge can't
work in tension as well as compression.

If you want help designing a product email me and I can round up a crew for
you & get the job done. No guarantees on hitting price/performance points
until we've looked at the problem, though.

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Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com
Phone: (503) 631-7815
Cell: (503) 349-8432
 
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Sonny Maou

Jan 1, 1970
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Tim said:
1-1/2 tons is a large fish, so the fish scale idea is probably out. 3000
pounds sounds impressive but in 11-pound increments you're only asking for
slightly more than 8 bits of resolution. This should be doable.

Actually, I asked for one-pound (1lb) increments.
Is this single-use or are you trying to make a product?

Trying to make a product.

Thanks Tim!
 
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Keith Wootten

Jan 1, 1970
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I need to measure a range from about 10lbs to 3000lbs, in 1lb
increments. Do fish scales still apply to that range?

What's the device actually called? Is it a transducer? pull-test load
cell? what?
Google for "load shackle". That's what you need, and loads (har har) of
companies make them. One part in 3000 is ok, but rather better than
you'll manage with a home-made lashup.

Cheers
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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Hi there. I think this is a good place for this question...

I'd like to get a measuring device that I can attach a cable to two ends
and have it measure how much force is being applied as the cable is pulled.

I've done some research and have found load cells and tensionmeters,
etc., but I don't know which one is for me or where I should go to get
one cheap! :)

Thanks for your help.
I can't quote ranges off the top of my head, but for pulling cable
and fiber optic line, there's dial guage type and strain guage to
chart recorder type tensiometers. The latter is the more expensive
and is an aluminum block with a machined out area where the strain
gauge mounts.

Have you checked the competition? Can you compete?
 
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Active8

Jan 1, 1970
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I'd like to get a measuring device that I can attach a cable to two ends
and have it measure how much force is being applied as the cable is pulled.

A spring balance from any camping shop (fishermen use them lie about
how heavy their fish were!). Just get one with a scale suited to the
kinds of force your cable will allow.

Thank you Don and Tim for your help.

I need to measure a range from about 10lbs to 3000lbs, in 1lb
increments. Do fish scales still apply to that range?

What's the device actually called? Is it a transducer? pull-test load
cell? what?[/QUOTE]

The more normal way of doing this for such loads is to use the cable
itself. It will have an elasticity spec (Young's modulus) that relates
stretch to load. Attach a strain gauge to the cable (non-invasive - it
just glues onto the cable anywhere), and measure a voltage
proportional to load. You can either rely on the numbers or calibrate
with a known load. You should be able to pick up an entire strain
gauge and PC interface from mechanical engineering suppliers.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com
[/QUOTE]
The cable (some cables) will need to be pretensioned. Once it's
stretched in, this method may be repeatable, but temperature
changes are going to foul things up.
 
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N. Thornton

Jan 1, 1970
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Sonny Maou said:
Actually, I asked for one-pound (1lb) increments.


Trying to make a product.

Thanks Tim!

Hi

If youre makig a product to compete, you need to find the cheapest
solution that does everything you need. Strain gauges can be made as a
PCB print, and these can be glued to a short steel beam: the beam
bends, the PCB bends, the track R changes.

I'm not saying this will do what you want, as I dont know, but I would
want to look at it at least.


Regards, NT
 
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