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Looking for DVD combo drive

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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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.... that does not have a tray that feels like flimsy plastic crap.
Does anyone do one? Such mech info seems extremely difficult to find.
I'm looking for the kind of 'quality' mechanism found on high end CD
players (but obviously I also need DVD functionality).

Dirk
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
... that does not have a tray that feels like flimsy plastic crap.
Does anyone do one? Such mech info seems extremely difficult to find.
I'm looking for the kind of 'quality' mechanism found on high end CD
players (but obviously I also need DVD functionality).


With a target price of 30$, you only
get platic crap. You can always bring one
to your local mechanic and have it
remade from whatever material.

Rene
 
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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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Rene said:
With a target price of 30$, you only
get platic crap. You can always bring one
to your local mechanic and have it
remade from whatever material.

The target price is <$200

Dirk
 
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Ian Stirling

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk Bruere said:
The target price is <$200

Now, order ten thousand at that price, and you may get beautiful results.
With onsies, you are not going to get quality for $200.
 
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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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Ian said:
Now, order ten thousand at that price, and you may get beautiful results.
With onsies, you are not going to get quality for $200.

I'm not talking about complete CD/DVD players, but drives.
You know - the ones people put in computers to read/write DVD/CDs.
Typical price for crap - $30.
What quality ones exist?

Dirk
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
I'm not talking about complete CD/DVD players, but drives.
You know - the ones people put in computers to read/write DVD/CDs.
Typical price for crap - $30.
What quality ones exist?

I don't know of any, since in this business
there just one phrase : "It has to be cheap."

Why not spend 150$ on your local mechanic to
have the drawer milled from aluminum ? Then
anodize with a flash color and you're there ?

Rene
 
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Michael Black

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
I'm not talking about complete CD/DVD players, but drives.
You know - the ones people put in computers to read/write DVD/CDs.
Typical price for crap - $30.
What quality ones exist?

Dirk


I paid hundreds of dollars for my first 5.25" floppy drive, in 1984, and
by then the price had dropped considerably. I paid something like $80
for my first 3.5" floppy drive, it was only single-sided, in 1989. My
first hard drive, in late 1993, was hundreds of dollars.

When you're paying that kind of money, you can expect things to stand
up well. But when you have to squeeze costs in order to reach a price
level that consumers demand, then of course things get flimsy. Yes,
some of cost reduction is due to a greater market, and some to higher
integration, but mechanical parts are often a means of cutting costs.
People want cheap, but on the other hand they aren't expecting to
repair things. They'll pay thirty dollars for a drive, and then
not worry when they have to replace it, for another thirty dollars.
They know it would cost more to have it repaired.

Keep the price high, and that limits who will buy. But it gives
far more leeway for good construction, and when people are paying
good money for something, they are more willing to spend a percentage
of that money to keep the item running.

Michael
 
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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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Rene said:
I don't know of any, since in this business
there just one phrase : "It has to be cheap."

Why not spend 150$ on your local mechanic to
have the drawer milled from aluminum ? Then
anodize with a flash color and you're there ?

Because it would take us too long.

Dirk
 
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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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Michael said:
I paid hundreds of dollars for my first 5.25" floppy drive, in 1984, and
by then the price had dropped considerably. I paid something like $80
for my first 3.5" floppy drive, it was only single-sided, in 1989. My
first hard drive, in late 1993, was hundreds of dollars.

When you're paying that kind of money, you can expect things to stand
up well. But when you have to squeeze costs in order to reach a price
level that consumers demand, then of course things get flimsy. Yes,
some of cost reduction is due to a greater market, and some to higher
integration, but mechanical parts are often a means of cutting costs.
People want cheap, but on the other hand they aren't expecting to
repair things. They'll pay thirty dollars for a drive, and then
not worry when they have to replace it, for another thirty dollars.
They know it would cost more to have it repaired.

Keep the price high, and that limits who will buy. But it gives
far more leeway for good construction, and when people are paying
good money for something, they are more willing to spend a percentage
of that money to keep the item running.

The thing is, high quality drives *are* used in top end AV equipment.
I'd just like to know what they are and who makes them.

Dirk
 
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Joerg

Jan 1, 1970
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Hello Dirk,

... that does not have a tray that feels like flimsy plastic crap.
Does anyone do one? Such mech info seems extremely difficult to find.
I'm looking for the kind of 'quality' mechanism found on high end CD
players (but obviously I also need DVD functionality).

You could start by contacting the major players in the rugged PC market
such as those mentioned here:

http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/2_leaders.html

Just don't expect to get away with a few hundred bucks. It's a small
market and thus expensive.

Regards, Joerg
 
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AZ Nomad

Jan 1, 1970
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I'm not talking about complete CD/DVD players, but drives.
You know - the ones people put in computers to read/write DVD/CDs.
Typical price for crap - $30.
What quality ones exist?

What do you mean by quality? Looking it was made by the soviet union,
weighing a tone, and with a lifespan of two weeks, or made with a quality
plastics and having a lifespan greater than your computer?

$30 will buy you a quality drive unless you pay $29 to the middleman.

Great examples are from NEC, toshiba, plextor, LG, Lite-on, mitsumi, ASUS,
pioneer,Aopen,optorite. Even sony makes OK drives.

For example, an ASUS CB-5216A can be had for $31.99.
It will easily outlast your PC.
 
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AZ Nomad

Jan 1, 1970
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Because it would take us too long.

Even ignoring the time, replacing the plastic with aluminum will not
increase it's reliability. It'll lower it actually.
 
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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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AZ said:
What do you mean by quality? Looking it was made by the soviet union,
weighing a tone, and with a lifespan of two weeks, or made with a quality
plastics and having a lifespan greater than your computer?

$30 will buy you a quality drive unless you pay $29 to the middleman.

Great examples are from NEC, toshiba, plextor, LG, Lite-on, mitsumi, ASUS,
pioneer,Aopen,optorite. Even sony makes OK drives.

For example, an ASUS CB-5216A can be had for $31.99.
It will easily outlast your PC.

It's going into audio equipment.
So it has, at least, to look like a top of the range audio CD player.
And trust me on this one - the trays on such systems *aren't* shaky,
rattling bits of flimsy plastic.

Dirk
 
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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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AZ said:
Even ignoring the time, replacing the plastic with aluminum will not
increase it's reliability. It'll lower it actually.

Tell you what - next time you have a few minutes and are passing a store
that sells quality audio stuff drop in and ask to see a CD player
costing in excess of $1000. Look at the CD player tray. Compare it to
the average PC. That will give you an idea of what I'm looking for.

Dirk
 
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
[snip]

The thing is, high quality drives *are* used in top end AV equipment.
I'd just like to know what they are and who makes them.

Probably the same folks that make the $30 units for PCs. The piece you
see is just the disk tray and is custom made to the specs of the A/V
equipment manufacturer. The innards are probably standard and don't
differ much from the generic PC units.

Like someone else suggested, have a machinist mill a tray out of
aluminum, finish it to your specifications and fit it to a PC drive.
 
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John Devereux

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk Bruere said:
... that does not have a tray that feels like flimsy plastic crap.
Does anyone do one? Such mech info seems extremely difficult to find.
I'm looking for the kind of 'quality' mechanism found on high end CD
players (but obviously I also need DVD functionality).

Plextor used to be well regarded, don't know the current situation but
they still seem to cost twice as much as everyone else!
 
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Zak

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
It's going into audio equipment.
So it has, at least, to look like a top of the range audio CD player.
And trust me on this one - the trays on such systems *aren't* shaky,
rattling bits of flimsy plastic.

They are specially made for the device. They are an important part of
the 'look and feel' and thus can cost a lot of money.

Now that kind of requirement does not exist for the mass market - it
would actually be against the purpose to use a mass market device, no
matter how good it is.

Maybe you can get by using a slot-in drive. My slot-in DVD makes a lot
of noise - check if that is a problem with what you select.

High end audio drives are also slow. Maybe a slower motor or changed
gear can make a different impression too.


Thomas
 
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Dirk Bruere

Jan 1, 1970
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Zak said:
They are specially made for the device. They are an important part of
the 'look and feel' and thus can cost a lot of money.

Now that kind of requirement does not exist for the mass market - it
would actually be against the purpose to use a mass market device, no
matter how good it is.

Maybe you can get by using a slot-in drive. My slot-in DVD makes a lot
of noise - check if that is a problem with what you select.

High end audio drives are also slow. Maybe a slower motor or changed
gear can make a different impression too.

We may go for a slot loader, probably Plextor 716AL.
Any problems with that method compared to trays?

Dirk
 
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Keith

Jan 1, 1970
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The thing is, high quality drives *are* used in top end AV equipment.
I'd just like to know what they are and who makes them.

Audiophools buy Monster Cables and they're fairly well built too. I do
wish laptop optical drives were a little less flimsy though.
 
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Rene Tschaggelar

Jan 1, 1970
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Dirk said:
We may go for a slot loader, probably Plextor 716AL.
Any problems with that method compared to trays?

There are these credit card sized CDs. They don't
work in a plextor with a casette.

Rene
 
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