GhostScript/GhostView ??

[Jim Thompson]

Jim,

Do you have the full version of Adobe Acrobat?

If so, it comes with Distiller, which will convert the PostScript to PDF,
after which you can just use Acrobat to crop the image, and then copy and
paste into Word.

---Joel

I do have Adobe Acrobat v7.0.9

Is cropping in Adobe file-size efficient?

...Jim Thompson

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

I do have Adobe Acrobat v7.0.9

Is cropping in Adobe file-size efficient?

...Jim Thompson

Dunno, but I would not crop (out) sensitive material with Word.
Chances are very good it's still there in the file somewhere.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Jim Thompson]

Dunno, but I would not crop (out) sensitive material with Word.
Chances are very good it's still there in the file somewhere.

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

I suspect the same is true of Adobe :-(

...Jim Thompson

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Is cropping in Adobe file-size efficient?

My experience is that it does OK... since PostScript files can contain
embedded bitmaps, if you have a large bitmap and you crop it there's a
significant file size reduction, whereas if the PostScript file is a handful
of "drawing"-type command along with a large "library" of utility routines,
cropping doesn't change the file size much at all... since all the bulk is in
the library routines, I suppose.

I was thinking you didn't necessarily want the entire drawing embedded within
a Word document, even if it was cropped to the view you desire... but if
that's OK, I think that approach probably is the easiest.

---Joel

 

[Joerg]

Dunno, but I would not crop (out) sensitive material with Word.
Chances are very good it's still there in the file somewhere.

Which brings up an interesting point: Is there a way to purge all this
stuff in MS-Word?

 

[Joerg]

I suspect the same is true of Adobe :-(

Methinks if you edit everything in MS-Word, then when all the I's are
dotted and T's are crossed store it as PDF, shouldn't it all be gone?

 

[John Larkin]

Hmm, went through all posts of this thread over there, didn't find any
with attachments. Maybe my news server dropped a post.

This is the ID, I think:

<[email protected]>

John

 

[Joerg]

This is the ID, I think:

<[email protected]>

This kind of link doesn't work on my PCs, just opens an email window.

 

[John Larkin]

This kind of link doesn't work on my PCs, just opens an email window.

OK, I give up.

John

 

[Nobody]

Methinks if you edit everything in MS-Word, then when all the I's are
dotted and T's are crossed store it as PDF, shouldn't it all be gone?

It depends upon the nature of the edits.

E.g. if you "redact" information by making the background match the
foreground (i.e. black text on black background = black box), you'll
probably end up with the same information in the PDF.

Similarly, if you crop an imported PS/PDF/etc figure in Word, the PDF may
well contain the complete figure, nested inside a clip rectangle.

If you need to be sure that information isn't being hidden, you need to
either look at the source (which largely rules out complex binary
formats), or convert to a relatively low-level format which doesn't have
the ability to retain "hidden" information (e.g. render to a raster image
format).

 

[Michael A. Terrell]

Who said anything about Word on *nix? I use vim and openoffice on all
my pcs. I'll admit I only use the vi features of vim.

Jim said he was using Word on a windows computer. he has stated
quite a few times that the software he needs to run is Windows software,
on Windows computers. You were talking about *nix. Two different
animals.

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prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

 

[Joel Kolstad]

Who uses 'Word' on *nix?

Maybe Mac users? I wonder if Office for OS X is a native app or not?

Ironic that Apple of all companies has probably done more to resurrect UNIX
lately than even Linux.

 

[Joerg]

OK, I give up.

Sigh. Then I'll end up in a nursing home some day, having never known
how to properly crop with Irfanview. But currently I use Word for that
anyway. For really fine stuff a program from Kodak that came with the PC.

Seems like the SBC server is a bit rocky today. It choked for a few
minutes a couple of times.

 

[Spehro Pefhany]

Which brings up an interesting point: Is there a way to purge all this
stuff in MS-Word?

I "print" it to PDF and I think that does the trick (except for the
meta information you can see in Acrobat). Office also has the Document
Image Writer for a fax-like bitmap (TIFF) image.

Here's some info on actually purging it from the Word file:
http://nhbar.com/publications/archives/display-news-issue.asp?id=99


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

 

[Joerg]

I "print" it to PDF and I think that does the trick (except for the
meta information you can see in Acrobat). Office also has the Document
Image Writer for a fax-like bitmap (TIFF) image.

Here's some info on actually purging it from the Word file:
http://nhbar.com/publications/archives/display-news-issue.asp?id=99

Hmm, looks like PDF conversion is the only way right now. Sad. They did
mention one product though:
http://www.payneconsulting.com/products/metadataretail/

This is a pretty brazen statement, especially for a bar association:
"... they won't be able to edit the file as you could in Word because
the file will be saved as an image." (when saved as PDF)

Oh man, has none of them ever edited an image? If you do it right nobody
would suspect anything from looking at it.

 

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[snip]

Do yourself a favor and get a printer with postscript. It is the only
way to fly if you are using *nix programs.
I AM truly sorry. I guess you can't read :-(
...Jim Thompson

Hey, I'm sorry you are a jerk. Whatever. I was just trying to help.

That YOU are the JERK (no reading comprehension) is well-defined....

What does a printer have to do with inserting a PostScript graphic
into Word?

Not that I don't have PostScript printing capability... an hp1320 does
both PCL and PS.

...Jim Thompson
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Have a nice day.

 

[David Brown]

I can't comment on Word but I do know the if you use Open Office and
have GhostScript, PDFCreator and a postscipt printer driver installed
then it is possible to......

Use the postscript printer driver to print an .eps to file from most
other applications.

Use Open Office and insert the .eps file in the document as a picture
and crop/resize or otherwise play with it.

Use PDFCreator to print the file from Open Office as a PDF.

The end result, assuming other things, is the presentation quality Jim
is looking for.

Here's an example....

http://www.genomerics.talktalk.net/test.pdf

There are a mix of pasted gif images in that along with the picture of
the transformer which was robbed from a Philips PDF. Zoom in on
various ones and you'll see the difference.

So, the answer in this case is Yes.

DNA

While PDFCreator is an excellent program (we use it throughout my
company), I can't see why you'd use it for output from OpenOffice. One
of the many advantages of OpenOffice over MS Office is that it can
generate pdf's directly - it is much faster than using PDFCreator
(especially if your PC is memory-challenged, such as by running Vista
with under 2 exabytes ram), and gives you access to things like PDF
bookmarks and live links and references.

 

[David Brown]

Which brings up an interesting point: Is there a way to purge all this
stuff in MS-Word?

One way would be to copy the text into a plain text editor, make a new
Word document, and paste it back. Then you'd *probably* be safe.

You could also get the plugins so that you could save your document in
standard odt format. Since this is just a renamed zip file containing
the data in xml files, you can open it up and view the raw data in a
text editor.

 

[Marte Schwarz]

Hi Jörg,
Postscript and Word are two separate worlds.

Ok, it's not perfect. But better than with IrfanView where you have that
nasty black border because it stores it back with the cropped-away
sections just blackened but not deleted.

Ctl. + Y dont add any border on my computers.
But remember the OP wants to crop postscripts, not bitmaps.

Marte

 

[Genome]

While PDFCreator is an excellent program (we use it throughout my
company), I can't see why you'd use it for output from OpenOffice. One
of the many advantages of OpenOffice over MS Office is that it can
generate pdf's directly - it is much faster than using PDFCreator
(especially if your PC is memory-challenged, such as by running Vista
with under 2 exabytes ram), and gives you access to things like PDF
bookmarks and live links and references.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Things may have changed since I beat my head against this one but when
I last tried it I got the impression that.......

Anyway, when I did it there was something about how you had to choose
some option in Open Office other than its native PDF output to get it
to print embedded .eps files and even when you did that the quality of
output left a lot to be desired.

Going via PDFcreator produced much higher quality outputs with less
hassle.

I don't doubt things might have changed but, at the time that was the
solution that worked for me.

DNA