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  1. Germany declares Microsoft's FAT patent not valid.
    It was preceded by the Rockridge standard, and also by postings
    in comp.unix.bsd.

    German article:
    http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/86102

    So now a lot of SD and other memory card related manufacturers have
    a place to go ?
    :)
     
  2. John Barrett

    John Barrett Guest

    Could you possibly find a link to a similar article in english ?? I havent
    been able to turn up anything except stuff about US patent reviews.
     
  3. I suggest running it through babelfish online translation service.
    As it is a German decision, in a German court, and just made, it will
    likely take some time before other countries pick up on this.
     
  4. Henry Kiefer

    Henry Kiefer Guest

    | Could you possibly find a link to a similar article in english ?? I havent
    | been able to turn up anything except stuff about US patent reviews.
    |

    What do you want to know exactly?

    - Henry
    (native German speaker)
     
  5. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    They speak real German in the Frankfurt area?

    < ducking for cover... >
     
  6. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

  7. Henry Kiefer

    Henry Kiefer Guest

    | They speak real German in the Frankfurt area?
    |
    | < ducking for cover... >

    At least we have applewoi.

    - Henry
     
  8. Joerg

    Joerg Guest

    And Federweisser. Boy did I have a hangover after that.
     
  9. John Barrett

    John Barrett Guest

    Much appreciated :) There didnt seem to be a link on the german language
    version to the english, and my goggling turned up nothing :)

    I really dont see the problem -- most vendors sell their media unformatted
    to begin with -- let the end user do that with their already licensed (in
    most cases) operating system :)

    Hard blow for linux though -- will have to yank fat32 support out of the
    core since MS is being a real ass about what amounts to an obsolete
    technology... must be hard up for cash for some reason :)

    And that probably wont stop people from passing around the kernel patch and
    putting it right back in :) those that care anyway -- who moves data around
    on floppy any more ?? burn a rewritable CD and have done with it !!
     
  10. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    Won't Wine run Doze apps off an ext3 or reiser FS?

    (IOW, who needs MICRO$~1?)

    Thanks,
    Rich
     
  11. What ever happened to Germany's indictment of Rumsfeld for war crimes?
    Or did he weasel out of that by taking his golden parachute while the
    getting's good?

    Thanks,
    Rich
     
  12. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    FAT patent? Linux reads and writes FAT just fine, thank you. :)

    And any patent on anything as old as FAT would have to have expired
    by now.

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  13. jasen

    jasen Guest

    cameras, and the like, use it on their memnory cards.
    floppies etc don't need a FAT format, 99.9% don't use FAT32 (the 0.1% being
    LS-120 floppies, and zip drives). regular floppies use FAT-12.

    Bye.
    Jasen
     
  14. jasen

    jasen Guest

    FAT32 is just FAT12 with wider integers, there's nothing novel there,
    except the 2^24 cluster limit, that's a feature linux doesn't implement,
    it'll go all the way to 2^32 clusters AIUI.

    VFAT (long filenames) is from win95, if microsoft is going to be awkward
    people will switch to something else.

    Bye.
    Jasen
     
  15. JeffM

    JeffM Guest

    That's PART of the picture; floppies obviously *can* do LFN:
    http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:Rv57k5MKo7AJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_Allocation_Table+zz+VFAT
    (The Heise article did a really lousy job on any details.
    The LFN thing was a BIG part of M$'s *newness* claim.)
     
  16. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    It's (Windoze) also too stupid to complain about filenames with embedded
    blanks. I'm finding that a serious issue while I'm trying to organize
    a collection of about 9,000 files. (about 11GB.) =:-O

    Thanks,
    Rich
     
  17. Rich,
    Windows can handle filenames with blanks in it. As a
    parameter, the path will have to be enclosed in ""

    Rene
     
  18. Rich Grise

    Rich Grise Guest

    That's OK - I fixed it:

    #!/bin/bash

    while export THISONE=`find . -type f -print | grep ' ' | head -1` ; do
    export NEWNAME=${THISONE// /_}

    #echo "Renaming $THISONE to $NEWNAME..."
    mv -v "$THISONE" "$NEWNAME"
    done

    # ;-)

    (it's got the exports because I developed it a line at a time on the
    console.) :)

    Cheers!
    Rich
     
  19. joseph2k

    joseph2k Guest

    I bet that if someone wanted to they could break the patent with even older
    Novell alternate namespace technology. It has been around since netware 2,
    which is before MSWindows 3.0; let alone Windows95 (OSR 2) where LFN was
    introduced. Perhaps Unix (TM) supported multiple names in the same
    namespace (directory structure) in something like NFS even earlier.

    Reminds me, if the PTO compares introduction in commercial use with the
    patent application date the patent may be prima fascia invalid. After all
    the patent application dates run from 1992 to 1996 (or later).
     
  20. jasen

    jasen Guest

    I suppose that's one way to promote UDF :)

    Bye.
    Jasen
     
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