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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Well, killing the criminal is merely revenge.

If you really want to punish him, give him life in solitary, but REAL
solitary - no outside human contact at all. A 6 x 8 cell, with a
comfortable bed, a toilet, sink, and three nutritious meals a day,
delivered by machine.

And a razor to use as he chooses. ;-)

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Mine's a little crueler.

He's given death by gas and made to understand that it could happen
at any time, then he's placed in an airtight, air-conditioned cell
and shown the apertures in the walls through which the deadly gas
will enter his cell.

Unbeknownst to him is that the apertures can be made to hiss without
delivering the gas and that, sometimes, an anesthetic will be pumped
into the cell when he's awake.
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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On Boxing Day the subject arose and we reckoned that a suitable end for him
would have been to be released in central Baghdad.
 
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Le Chaud Lapin

Jan 1, 1970
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Eeyore said:
For religious reasons.

Not just religious.

Sure you have read about all the things that can happen to the human
body when it is hung, especially males (no pun intended).

-Le Chaud Lapin-
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Really???

Got some examples?
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It's no surprise it's considered to be 'cruel and unusual punishment'. Especially
if you were innocent.

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Take that "Especially if you were innocent" card and stick it right
up your ass, ya goddam pussy. _Any_ form of execution is cruel and
unusual punishment if you're innocent, but that's the way the cookie
crumbles, isn't it?

Didn't seem to bother you bastards much during the crusades, or when
you were murdering your way into empire, did it?

I mean, just _suspicion_ of disagreement was enough to get you on
the point of a sword regardless of innocence or guilt.

But now, all of a sudden you're _soooo_ civilized and you know just
exactly what's right and what's wrong, and what's right is what
you're doing and what everyone else is doing is wrong unless they're
doing it your way.

It must really gall you to have to take shit and not be able to do a
goddam thing about it, no?

Whine on, you petulant cocksucking twit.
 
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Jamie

Jan 1, 1970
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John said:
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Really???

Got some examples?
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Take that "Especially if you were innocent" card and stick it right
up your ass, ya goddam pussy. _Any_ form of execution is cruel and
unusual punishment if you're innocent, but that's the way the cookie
crumbles, isn't it?

Didn't seem to bother you bastards much during the crusades, or when
you were murdering your way into empire, did it?

I mean, just _suspicion_ of disagreement was enough to get you on
the point of a sword regardless of innocence or guilt.

But now, all of a sudden you're _soooo_ civilized and you know just
exactly what's right and what's wrong, and what's right is what
you're doing and what everyone else is doing is wrong unless they're
doing it your way.

It must really gall you to have to take shit and not be able to do a
goddam thing about it, no?

Whine on, you petulant cocksucking twit.
And Happy New Year to you John. :)

I see that you're in good spirits !
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Not just religious.

Sure you have read about all the things that can happen to the human
body when it is hung, especially males (no pun intended).
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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A couple of thousand volts shooting through your brain with
essentially unlimited current is going to render you unconscious
before your nervous system has a chance to bitch about anything.

Before or after your eyeballs explode and your head catches fire?











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Jim Thompson

Jan 1, 1970
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On Sat, 30 Dec 2006 23:16:35 +0000, Eeyore
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Whine on, you petulant cocksucking twit.

Sheeesh, John. I wish you'd stop being so polite ;-)

...Jim Thompson
 
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martin griffith

Jan 1, 1970
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What makes you think it isn't, dumbass?

A couple of thousand volts shooting through your brain with
essentially unlimited current is going to render you unconscious
before your nervous system has a chance to bitch about anything.


But how many innocent people have been murdered by the state, or isn't
that important? Sort of like the medics in libya at the moment

The death sentence doesn't have a Ctrl Z key


martin
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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But how many innocent people have been murdered by the state, or isn't
that important?

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Of course it's important, but it's not germane to the subject of the
moment which is that death by electrocution is painless.

If you want to talk about innocents murdered by the state, in huge
numbers, then we've got Hitler and Stalin and Mao and the latest
crop of "ethnic cleaners" to talk about.
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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That's not at all the same thing as sending soldiers to war.
VOLUNTEERS, by the way...

Neither the Ready Reserve nor the National Guard is an expeditionary force.
ISTM that Dubya once took advantage of that.
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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Just did:-

1. August 10, 1982. Virginia. Frank J. Coppola. Electrocution. Although no media representatives witnessed the execution and no details were ever released by the Virginia Department of Corrections, an attorney who was present later stated that it took two 55-second jolts of electricity to kill Coppola. The second jolt produced the odor and sizzling sound of burning flesh, and Coppola's head and leg caught on fire. Smoke filled the death chamber from floor to ceiling with a smokey haze.1

2. April 22, 1983. Alabama. John Evans. Electrocution. After the first jolt of electricity, sparks and flames erupted from the electrode attached to Evans's leg. The electrode burst from the strap holding it in place and caught on fire. Smoke and sparks also came out from under the hood in the vicinity of Evans's left temple. Two physicians entered the chamber and found a heartbeat. The electrode was reattached to his leg, and another jolt of electricity was applied. This resulted in more smoke and burning flesh. Again the doctors found a heartbeat. Ignoring the pleas of Evans's lawyer, a third jolt of electricity was applied. The execution took 14 minutes and left Evans's body charred and smoldering.2

4. December 12, 1984. Georgia. Alpha Otis Stephens. Electrocution. "The first charge of electricity ... failed to kill him, and he struggled to breathe for eight minutes before a second charge carried out his death sentence ..."5 After the first two minute power surge, there was a six minute pause so his body could cool before physicians could examine him (and declare that another jolt was needed). During that six-minute interval, Stephens took 23 breaths. A Georgia prison official said, "Stephens was just not a conductor" of electricity.6

6. October 16, 1985. Indiana. William E. Vandiver. Electrocution. After the first administration of 2,300 volts, Vandiver was still breathing. The execution eventually took 17 minutes and five jolts of electricity.8 Vandiver's attorney, Herbert Shaps, witnessed the execution and observed smoke and the smell of burning. He called the execution "outrageous." The Department of Corrections admitted the execution "did not go according to plan."9

11. July 14, 1989. Alabama. Horace Franklin Dunkins, Jr. Electrocution. It took two jolts of electricity, nine minutes apart, to complete the execution. After the first jolt failed to kill the prisoner (who was mildly retarded), the captain of the prison guard opened the door to the witness room and stated "I believe we've got the jacks on wrong."15 Because the cables had been connected improperly, it was impossible to dispense sufficient current to cause death. The cables were reconnected before a second jolt was administered. Death was pronounced 19 minutes after the first electric charge. At a post-execution news conference, Alabama Prison Commissioner Morris Thigpen said, "I regret very very much what happened. [The cause] was human error."16

12. May 4, 1990. Florida. Jesse Joseph Tafero. Electrocution. During the execution, six-inch flames erupted from Tafero's head, and three jolts of power were required to stop his breathing. State officials claimed that the botched execution was caused by "inadvertent human error" -- the inappropriate substitution of a synthetic sponge for a natural sponge that had been used in previous executions.17 They attempted to support this theory by sticking a part of a synthetic sponge into a "common household toaster" and observing that it smoldered and caught fire.18

14. October 17, 1990. Virginia. Wilbert Lee Evans. Electrocution. When Evans was hit with the first burst of electricity, blood spewed from the right side of the mask on Evans's face, drenching Evans's shirt with blood and causing a sizzling sound as blood dripped from his lips. Evans continued to moan before a second jolt of electricity was applied. The autopsy concluded that Evans suffered a bloody nose after the voltage surge elevated his high blood pressure.20

15. August 22, 1991. Virginia. Derick Lynn Peterson. Electrocution. After the first cycle of electricity was applied, and again four minutes later, prison physician David Barnes inspected Peterson's neck and checked him with a stethoscope, announcing each time "He has not expired." Seven and one-half minutes after the first attempt to kill the inmate, a second cycle of electricity was applied. Prison officials later announced that in the future they would routinely administer two cycles before checking for a heartbeat.21

25. March 25, 1997. Florida. Pedro Medina. Electrocution. A crown of foot-high flames shot from the headpiece during the execution, filling the execution chamber with a stench of thick smoke and gagging the two dozen official witnesses. An official then threw a switch to manually cut off the power and prematurely end the two-minute cycle of 2,000 volts. Medina's chest continued to heave until the flames stopped and death came.39 After the execution, prison officials blamed the fire on a corroded copper screen in the headpiece of the electric chair, but two experts hired by the governor later concluded that the fire was caused by the improper application of a sponge (designed to conduct electricity) to Medina's head.

31. July 8, 1999. Florida. Allen Lee Davis. Electrocution. "Before he was pronounced dead ... the blood from his mouth had poured onto the collar of his white shirt, and the blood on his chest had spread to about the size of a dinner plate, even oozing through the buckle holes on the leather chest strap holding him to the chair."45 His execution was the first in Florida's new electric chair, built especially so it could accommodate a man Davis's size (approximately 350 pounds). Later, when another Florida death row inmate challenged the constitutionality of the electric chair, Florida Supreme Court Justice Leander Shaw commented that "the color photos of Davis depict a man who -- for all appearances -- was brutally tortured to death by the citizens of Florida."46 Justice Shaw also described the botched executions of Jesse Tafero and Pedro Medina (q.v.), calling the three executions "barbaric spectacles" and "acts more befitting a violent murderer than a civilized state."47 Justice Shaw included pictures of Davis's dead body in his opinion.48 The execution was witnessed by a Florida State Senator, Ginny Brown-Waite, who at first was "shocked" to see the blood, until she realized that the blood was forming the shape of a cross and that it was a message from God saying he supported the execution.49
 
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D from BC

Jan 1, 1970
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After watching the hanging of Saddam, I got to thinking... Why
doesn't
the United States do hangings instead of electric chairs for
executions. With all stories I hear of faulty electricutions,
you'd
think the US would start hanging again like they did in the old
west.
Damn Edison!!!

from wiki;
The first practical electric chair was invented by Harold P.
Brown.
Brown was an employee of Thomas Edison, hired for the purpose of
researching electrocution and for the development of the
electric
chair. Since Brown worked for Edison, and Edison promoted
Brown's work,
the development of the electric chair is often erroneously
credited to
Edison himself. Brown's design was based on George
Westinghouse's
alternating current (AC), which was then just emerging as the
rival to
Edison's less transport-efficient direct current (DC), which was
further along in commercial development. The decision to use AC
was
entirely driven by Edison's attempt to claim that AC was more
lethal
than DC.

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Bummer..thought somebody needed their electric chair fixed....
:(

I do have some curious questions. No reply required..Some of the
questions are wacky..

* Are conductive gels used?
* Does body impedance vary once the skin starts burning?
* What electrode metals are used for easy cleaning?
* Is there a UPS?
* What's the optimun zapping frequency..(I saw this
somewhere..Can't remember...coincidentally 60Hz??)
* Is there power regulation? (More like cooking regulation)
* Is there EMI concerns?
* Is there power factor correction?
* Is there zero crossing switching?
* Is there a big old fashion throw switch or is the power
controlled by a computer on the internet and somebody just uses
Execute! XP version 3.5 from 1000 miles away?

D
 
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John Fields

Jan 1, 1970
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Just did:-

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Snipped a lot of irrelevant crap which had nothing to do with
whether the executionees were conscious or not after the first hit.

And, anyway, what does it matter?

If they were guilty, at least the scumbags got a taste of the terror
and fear they subjected their victims to. If they weren't, it's a
tragedy for the victims of the state.

Kinda like being killed in an auto accident when it wasn't your
fault.

Shit happens.
 
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Homer J Simpson

Jan 1, 1970
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And, anyway, what does it matter?

If they were guilty, at least the scumbags got a taste of the terror
and fear they subjected their victims to. If they weren't, it's a
tragedy for the victims of the state.

Kinda like being killed in an auto accident when it wasn't your
fault.

Shit happens.

Then change the law. State that your intention is to torture the selected
victims to death in as gruesome a way as possible. After Abu Ghraib, no one
will be surprised.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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Neither the Ready Reserve nor the National Guard is an expeditionary force.
ISTM that Dubya once took advantage of that.

The Reserve is just that and can be called up for any reason. The
National Guard is once it's been nationalized. This isn't by any
means a first.
 
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krw

Jan 1, 1970
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To-Email- said:
I recommend we place Eeyore in a current-limited chair... "smoke" him
for awhile ;-)

Cover him in Mesquite let it smoke a while?
 
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